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NYC mayor (Bloomberg) 'deeply disturbed' by shooting
AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/27/06 | Deepti Hajela - ap

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:36:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK - Mayor Michael Bloomberg was "deeply disturbed" by the barrage of gunfire unleashed by officers in a weekend shooting that killed a groom on his wedding day, the mayor said Monday.

"I can tell you that it is to me unacceptable or inexplicable how you can have 50-odd shots fired, but that's up to the investigation to find out what really happened," Bloomberg said after meeting with community leaders at City Hall.

Bloomberg was joined by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, the Rev. Al Sharpton, Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record) and several other officials at the meeting.

Sharpton called it a "very candid, a very blunt meeting." He said the message to Bloomberg was: "This city must show moral outrage that 50 shots were fired on three unarmed men."

Bloomberg was steadfast in his support for Kelly, who has been denounced by some community leaders over the shooting.

"I think he's the best police commissioner the city has ever had," Bloomberg said. "Nobody takes this more seriously than Commissioner Kelly and I do."

Police fired an estimated 50 rounds at the groom, Sean Bell, 23, and two other unarmed men in a car early Saturday, hours before he was to have married the mother of his two children.

Five officers were placed on paid administrative leave and stripped of their guns, said Paul Browne, chief spokesman for the NYPD. Police and prosecutors promised a full investigation.

"This warrants an answer," Rangel said as he arrived for the meeting. "Not just to the families of those that were shot and killed but to the people of the city of New York."

On Sunday, several hundred people held a vigil for Bell, some shouting "No justice, no peace!" and demanding Kelly's ouster.

Kelly has said police shot at the car after it drove forward and struck an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan. The information was based on interviews with witnesses and two officers who did not fire their weapons, he said.

However, Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared.

"The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."

Kelly had said Saturday it was too early to say whether the shooting was justified. He said it was unclear whether the officers, who were in plain clothes, identified themselves before firing.

Bell's fiancee, Nicole Paultre, made a quiet visit to the site of his shootings before dawn Monday, lighting candles clustered around a photograph of the smiling couple with one of their daughters.

The shootings occurred after 4 a.m. Saturday outside the Kalua Cabaret in Queens. Kelly said the confrontation stemmed from an undercover operation by seven officers investigating the club.

Bell was struck twice. Joseph Guzman, 31, was shot at least 11 times, and Trent Benefield, 23, was hit three times. Guzman was in critical condition Monday and Benefield was stable.

The officers' shots struck the men's car 21 times. They also hit nearby homes and shattered windows at a train station, though no residents were injured.

Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun, but investigators found no weapons. It was unclear what prompted police to open fire, Kelly said.

According to Kelly, the groom was involved in a verbal dispute outside the club, and one of his friends referred to a gun.

An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, the car drove forward, striking the officer and minivan, Kelly said.

That officer was apparently the first to open fire, Kelly said. He had served on the force for five years. One 12-year veteran fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said.

It was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting, he said.

At some point, Bell backed the car onto a sidewalk, hitting a building gate, police said. He then drove forward, striking the police vehicle a second time, Kelly said.

The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

This isn't the first time the NYPD has come under scrutiny over officer-involved shootings.

In 1999, police killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed immigrant from Guinea in western Africa who was shot 19 times. The four officers in that case were acquitted of criminal charges. And in 2003, Ousmane Zongo, a native of Burkina Faso in western Africa, was hit four times, twice in the back. In that case, one officer was convicted of criminally negligent homicide, but acquitted of the more serious charge of second-degree manslaughter.

Rangel said the latest shooting "reminds me of a tragedy that took place with Mr. Diallo. And we can't have that. We can't have that."

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Associated Press Writer Tom Hays contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bloomberg; disturbed; donutwatch; nyc; officertackleberry; policeshooting

1 posted on 11/27/2006 12:36:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
Why doesn't he implement his version of gun control (ie - no guns for me and you) for the NYPD?
2 posted on 11/27/2006 12:39:14 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: NormsRevenge

Here in California last year our police surrounded a guy in a van and fired 100 rounds and completely missed the guy.

Must have been a lot of warning shots!

I'd be troubled with all this militarization of our police as well.


3 posted on 11/27/2006 12:39:37 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh boy.

About time for another screed from Bloomberg or Rudy about how guns are inherently evil.

Have they proposed the permanent banning of all guns yet? Seems like another prime, opportune moment for the Bloomberg/Giuliani gun-grabbing blitzkreig.
4 posted on 11/27/2006 12:41:10 PM PST by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Mayor Giuliani would never have preemptively thrown his own police officers under the bus in order to kowtow to a slug like Sharpton.


5 posted on 11/27/2006 12:41:15 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: NormsRevenge

It is tragic that Sean Bell is dead, but Reverend Al needs to keep in mind that it is because he tried to run over a black police officer who had identified himself as such. It was this black police officer who fired the first shots, and an hispanic officer who fired most of them. Instead, Sharpton sees this as the perfect opportunity for race-baiting.


6 posted on 11/27/2006 12:43:33 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: edcoil
militarization of our police

Five officers on foot, each armed with a Glock pistol, is "militarization"?

Bizarre opinion.

7 posted on 11/27/2006 12:43:39 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let see. Ram a police van, put it in reverse and try to ram people in the street and then cry violation of rights? I don't buy it.It is a shame all these race hustlers are out there so soon.
When did it start that the alleged perp gets the benefit of the doubt before the police do?
8 posted on 11/27/2006 12:44:24 PM PST by hophead ("A question's not really a question, if you know the answer too.")
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To: NormsRevenge
Only a liberal could be "deeply disturbed" by cops defending themselves. Mike Bloomberg is a nitwit.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

9 posted on 11/27/2006 12:45:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

If a black cop does the shooting, blame the chief. If the chief is black, blame the mayor.

But don't EVER blame the black criminal.

And certainly, don't wait for the facts.


10 posted on 11/27/2006 12:47:27 PM PST by AbeKrieger (Liberals are the Mongol hordes destroying America from within.)
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To: wideawake

I was thinking more not about this specific 5 guys but across the USA with new SWAT teams, etc.


11 posted on 11/27/2006 12:50:15 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: AbeKrieger
Nope. Rush to blame the police so the race hustlers don't incite riots.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

12 posted on 11/27/2006 12:50:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.



Great policy *NOT!*

Lessee... a guy is driving straight at you and you are prohibited from shooting at the driver in an attempt to divert his path. (Hoping he will swerve to avoid being shot)

I wonder if the cops are allowed to bleed when dragged by a car or if that also violates a policy?


13 posted on 11/27/2006 12:51:15 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: NormsRevenge

How many kmiles has Bloomberg walked in the shoes of a police officer. What he should do is shut up and let the investigation go forward, instead of playing suck up to Al Sharpton.


14 posted on 11/27/2006 12:56:07 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: goldstategop
Mike Bloomberg is a nitwit.

I think I'll go with this description, it seems to fit better than "Mayor".

15 posted on 11/27/2006 12:57:07 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story.)
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To: hophead
Ram a police van

The two vehicles involved were civilian vehicles. A Toyota Camry and a minivan.

16 posted on 11/27/2006 12:59:25 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: TitansAFC
About time for another screed from Bloomberg or Rudy about how guns are inherently evil.

I'd like to see Rudy's screed on how guns are inherently evil. Can you point me in the right direction? Inquiring minds need facts. Thanks.

17 posted on 11/27/2006 12:59:53 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: wideawake


Please ignore for convenience sake the fact that these young offices have families, and that they were putting their lives on the line to protect neighborhoods prodominantly inhabited by minorities.

Just thinking about Al Sharpton makes me want to punch a fat person.

I wonder if Sean Bell, charming devoted father that he was maybe, just maybe, had a criminal record... Or is it not OK to talk about that?


18 posted on 11/27/2006 1:00:09 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: presidio9

It was this black police officer who fired the first shots, and an hispanic officer who fired most of them. Instead, Sharpton sees this as the perfect opportunity for race-baiting.



According to people like Sharpton, a black officer is just an oreo. It's still a racist attack.


19 posted on 11/27/2006 1:07:50 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: NormsRevenge

This story smells. If there was a threat of a gun why did the police wait? Why not take them down outside the club? Waiting for them to get into an escape vehicle or gain access to the weapon first makes no sense.


20 posted on 11/27/2006 1:15:12 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: NormsRevenge
"This city must show moral outrage that 50 shots were fired on three unarmed men."

So goes the story; but in truth; they were armed. . . the victims just happen to be IN it. . .

This driver was using his car as a weapon. . .bigger than a gun; and more threatening as it takes less skill to 'aim' and kill. The driver - now - victim, made the 'move' first by running into a policeman, for God's sake.

Bottom line; the car they were in; WAS used as a weapon; and the police responded to the threat.

Sorry; but they should have walked home. . .or had someone pick them up. . .called a cab OR. . .whatEVER.

And someone should tell Rangel; Sharpton and the 'et al's to go fly their kites somewhere else. . .

. . .because "Stuck on stupid' has consequences. . .

21 posted on 11/27/2006 1:24:23 PM PST by cricket
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To: NormsRevenge

Bloomberg's fault.


22 posted on 11/27/2006 1:31:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: presidio9
Please ignore for convenience sake the fact that these young offices have families, and that they were putting their lives on the line to protect neighborhoods prodominantly inhabited by minorities.

I am sure the Mayor as well as the New York Times will remind the community.

One can fairly observe as well, that using one's car as a weapon; gives more than a slight coloration to the fact of being 'unarmed'. . .)

23 posted on 11/27/2006 1:36:17 PM PST by cricket
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To: beltfed308

True enough, and the perps were in the car and they saw an undercover cop with a gun...I bet they had no idea it was a cop...mistaken identity..they thought it was a rival gang member or something...too bad for them.


24 posted on 11/27/2006 1:38:40 PM PST by Pondman88
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To: beltfed308

The club has a metal detector on the door (nothing says "class" like a metal detector. The officers were undercover, so they were not carrying. One of Bell's group was heard saying he was going to "get his gun," which he had presumably smuggled in. At wich point the officer called for backup. The car was parked out on the street. The victims got into the car. The cop put his foot on the car, and showed his badge, telling them to get out of the car. Bell tried to run him over, causing lacerations to the officer's leg. Thus, Bell was assaulting the officer with a deadly weapon. The other officers knew there was a gun invovled, and assumed that the shots that passed through the car were coming from the car.

Nothing good happens at 3:30AM.


25 posted on 11/27/2006 1:42:32 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: presidio9

Apparently Sharpton feels blacks are unfairly targeted by police. But when police are confronted with deadly force, they have to take appropriate measures to prevent innocent people from getting killed. That's their job. Maybe if they had fired off only ten rounds, more people would be happy. But the guy would still be dead.


26 posted on 11/27/2006 1:43:31 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

One hispanic cop fired 29 of the rounds, because he thought his gun was jammed.


27 posted on 11/27/2006 1:45:30 PM PST by presidio9 (Tagline Censored)
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To: NormsRevenge
" Mayor Michael Bloomberg was "deeply disturbed" by the barrage of gunfire..."

Some have opined that he was deeply disturbed BEFORE the gunfire. ;-)

28 posted on 11/27/2006 1:48:22 PM PST by verity (Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
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To: NormsRevenge

"unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

The fallacy of that policy is that the moving vehicle itself can constitute deadly force. If someone was running over people on the sidewalk, wouldn't the police be justified in firing at the driver?


29 posted on 11/27/2006 1:49:06 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: NormsRevenge
I'll ask the same thing I asked on another thread:

2 QUESTIONS!

1. Did anyone in the press or the "protest group" of race baiters like Sharpton and Jackson ask about the status of the police officer who was the target of the driver who was using his vehicle as a deadly weapon?

2. Were any of the shooting officers African-American?

30 posted on 11/27/2006 1:49:58 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
1. Doubtful.
2. Unknown, but presumably he was black, since he was uncover in a strip club in a largely black area, and the majority if not all of the patrons were black.

BTW: Racial politics aside there are plenty of reasons to be critical of and/or defend the police.

31 posted on 11/27/2006 2:06:07 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: NormsRevenge

You Watch! That idiot Bloomberg will have the NYPD running around with billyclubs in no time.


32 posted on 11/27/2006 2:11:39 PM PST by wolfcreek (Suegna como si vivieras para siempre; vive como si fueses a morir hoy.)
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To: goldstategop

He sure is. He was just on the 4PM News here in his soundbite and he is saying "there is no evidence that the victims had done anything wrong"!!!!

WTH?


33 posted on 11/27/2006 2:19:46 PM PST by Rte66
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To: presidio9
Nothing good happens at 3:30AM

When I was growing up my Father told me that nothing good happens after midnight. How right he was.

34 posted on 11/27/2006 2:21:30 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Whatever happened to the olden days when cops carried "throw-downs" so they could avoid messes like this?


35 posted on 11/27/2006 2:24:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Inyo-Mono

bttt


36 posted on 11/27/2006 2:25:33 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh, now "one of the dancers" says that the minivan came around a corner and "smashed into" Bell's car?

Obviously, the lies are escalating. I'm getting tired of the headlines and leads that depict a "groom" in his tux & tails running down the church steps with his blushing bride, friends and family throwing rice and birdseed, flower children strewing rose petals and blowing bubbles, doves being released into the afternoon sky and a bunch of cops coming out of nowhere to ambush the happy couple and assassinate the new hubby.


37 posted on 11/27/2006 2:35:13 PM PST by Rte66
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To: Smogger

So a bunch of black cops shoot a black bad guy who tried to run one of their own down?


38 posted on 11/27/2006 2:37:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Two black cops, two hispanic cops, two white cops, and a partridge in a pear..

Seriously, I fail to see where race is a factor except inside the minds of Al Sharpton and certain Freepers.

39 posted on 11/27/2006 2:47:07 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: NormsRevenge

If this was some drunk redneck outside some "Boars Nest" bar in Podunk, AR, we would have never heard about it.


40 posted on 11/27/2006 2:56:47 PM PST by L98Fiero (Built to please and raised to rock.)
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To: presidio9

Sharpton is trying to find a way to put all the blame on the two white officers that were there im sure.


41 posted on 11/27/2006 3:02:48 PM PST by Husker24
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To: NormsRevenge

"Only the police and members of the military should have defensive weapons.

-Adolf Hitler (paraphrased)

There seems to be some sort of irony in there somewhere...


42 posted on 11/27/2006 5:12:07 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like the Dinkins era has returned to NYC. Rudy might be a RINO but he did an outstanding job in cleaning up NYC.


43 posted on 11/27/2006 6:28:14 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

not yet. but Bloomberg blew it bad today. empowering the likes of Sharpton and Charles Baron.


44 posted on 11/27/2006 6:35:18 PM PST by oceanview
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To: NormsRevenge
Mayor Michael Bloomberg was is deeply disturbed

Fixed it.

45 posted on 11/27/2006 7:40:42 PM PST by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didn't really talk , he was hitting on my wife)
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To: Cobra64
Giuliani Joins the War on Handgun Manufacturers
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/regional/062000ny-guns.html

Giuliani blames weak gun laws for shooting
http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/24/empire.shoot/

"And thanks in part to our stricter gun control laws, crime is down dramatically in New York City" - Mayoral address
http://www.nyc.gov/html/rwg/html/97a/me970302.html

Dude, a basis search engine gives you thousands of articles, speeches and screeds from Rudy against guns, gun ownership, gun manufacturers, second-Amendment voters, etc.

Even at FR there are several posters who keep posting You Tube videos of some of his red-faced anti-gun rants.
46 posted on 11/28/2006 5:59:28 AM PST by TitansAFC ("Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.")
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To: Smogger
It seems that the minivan was the uc vehicle.
47 posted on 11/28/2006 11:26:39 AM PST by hophead ("A question's not really a question, if you know the answer too.")
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