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Ex-spy's poison on the Internet $69 can get you a trace - commonly used lethal industrial substance
SF Gate.com ^ | Tuesday, November 28, 2006 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 11/28/2006 2:36:46 PM PST by fight_truth_decay

$69 can get you a trace of the commonly used lethal industrial substance...

It's one of the deadliest imaginable poisons, a radioactive substance about 100 billion times as deadly as cyanide -- and a Web site run by a physicist and flying saucer enthusiast offers to sell you a trace amount of it for $69 and send it via the U.S. Postal Service or UPS.

Contrary to early news reports, polonium-210 -- the poison suspected in the death of an ex-Russian spy in England -- is not some exotic material available solely from nuclear laboratories. The isotope is available from firms that sell it for lawful and legitimate uses in industry, such as removing static electricity from machinery and photographic film.

If ingested in large enough amounts, polonium-210 causes a hideous death.

"This is not a way you'd want to die -- it's a very slow, painful death," said Kelly L. Classic, a radiation physicist at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., and the media liaison for the Health Physics Society, a national organization of experts on the health effects of radiation.

Polonium is an "alpha emitter," which, when it decays, emits high-speed volleys of subatomic alpha particles -- each one composed of two protons and two neutrons bound together -- that rip apart DNA coils and bust up the cells within which they reside.

An alpha particle "is huge on an atomic scale," Classic said. "If an electron was a piece of popcorn, the alpha particle (would be) like a bowling ball."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; conspiracy; lazar; mayoclinic; poison; polonium210 Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: fight_truth_decay

polonium-210 does appear to have plenty of industrial uses but Lazar is a nut.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 2:43:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
From the article:

United Nuclear is run by Bob Lazar, who attracted national attention when he claimed to have worked on crashed alien spaceships at a U.S. military base in Nevada called Area 51.

Pardon me if I call shenanigans. Whoever wrote the article didn't actually order polonium and have it tested, so my guess is that Lazar is a fake.

3 posted on 11/28/2006 2:43:57 PM PST by psychoknk
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To: cripplecreek

A few orders from areas with Al Qaida presence as well as other places where the haters hang out, I'd reckon ....


4 posted on 11/28/2006 2:45:10 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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I am guessing that the "trace" amount is very tiny indeed, and hopefully sealed in plastic or glass.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 2:46:05 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If this poison is 100 billion times as deadly as cyanide, why is the media reporting that 2nd and 3rd contacts at the hotel bar or the restaurant have little to worry about? Is that judgement theirs or the government's? And no matter whose, why should anyone believe it?


6 posted on 11/28/2006 2:46:24 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: fight_truth_decay

I strongly suspect that if I sent this guy $69, I'd be out $69 and not have a single atom of polonium-210 to show for it. I would, however, have a crew of very unamused FBI agents on my doorstep.


7 posted on 11/28/2006 2:48:49 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cripplecreek

And no legitimate company would buy something like this from anyone with a resume like Lazar's, not to mention from someone who is offering to deliver it via a patently illegal method (USPS flatly prohibits mailing radioactive materials).


8 posted on 11/28/2006 2:56:28 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GOP_1900AD
In the United States, it is legal for vendors licensed by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission to sell small amounts of polonium-210 and other radioactive sources without the buyers having to receive special permission from the government

With old chemistry sets or "Mr. Wizard", kids could experiment with the help of mail orders for the process of science alone, times have changed.

9 posted on 11/28/2006 3:04:48 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: cripplecreek; GarySpFc

Ping


10 posted on 11/28/2006 3:11:12 PM PST by outofstyle
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And no legitimate company would buy something like this from anyone with a resume like Lazar's, not to mention from someone who is offering to deliver it via a patently illegal method (USPS flatly prohibits mailing radioactive materials).

According to the article, the USPS doesn't flatly prohibit mailing radioactive materials. It allows people to mail trace amounts of radioactive materials by ground as long as the package is properly labeled and packaged, and other hoops are jumped through. This website explains the USPS' requirements.

Also from the article:

A woman at Lazar's company, who identified herself only as "Michelle," said the firm sells polonium-210 in "small, small, minuscule" amounts ... What we carry is so small you can't see it with your naked eye." She said she is only an employee at the firm and doesn't know where Lazar obtains the polonium-210.

Riiight.
12 posted on 11/28/2006 3:29:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: cripplecreek

I've purchased from Lazar/United Nuclear before, and it is operated as a perfectly legitimate company. Their high power magnets are some of the best I've seen, and the lump of uranium ore on my bookshelf has always been an interesting conversation starter :)

They sold out of them, but at one point Lazar was even selling unused reactor fuel pellets. Completely useless for building a weapon or a reactor (he'd only sell you one), but it was still suprising to see that high-radiation items like that can be sold legally. There are LOTS of things on his site that will kill you or injure you, a fact which the site warns you about repeatedly.

FWIW, he loves press like this. It drives people to the site and drives up his sales.


13 posted on 11/28/2006 3:29:55 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: EricBlair11

The best part - Lazar puts out this story. A FBI team will probably have to interview him. Then, at the very next alien saucer convention, he will be in big demand as leading speaker - - for a sizable fee, of course. And, there'll be the book he will sell at the convention; you know, the one that proves the goverbment is suppressing the alien visitations proved by the FBI harassing him. Lazar is a fakir.


14 posted on 11/28/2006 3:36:51 PM PST by gb63
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To: Sender

The amounts [if any] would be like americium in a smoke detector - traces of traces. Anything greater would run way more than $69. I am still looking for some old clock with radium painted dial - tritium gun sights go to half intensity in 11 years, but radium ones [glass encased] would last for centuries.


15 posted on 11/28/2006 3:47:48 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Polonium210 is a product of the decay of U238. Half life 134 days; decays to stable lead by the emission of a 5.3 mev alpha particle. Fraction of Uranium ore that is Polonium is the Polonium half life divided by the Uranium half life which is 2 plus billion years. If you have 30's dinnerware you might have some polonium atoms, since uranium was used in some pottery glazes.
16 posted on 11/28/2006 3:54:28 PM PST by dr huer
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To: psychoknk
GREETINGS....I COME IN PIECES - -

17 posted on 11/28/2006 3:57:13 PM PST by gb63
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To: All

Anyone who wants to browse Bob Lazar's site for your really hot Christmas shopping, can go to:
http://www.unitednuclear.com/


18 posted on 11/28/2006 4:09:01 PM PST by gb63
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To: cripplecreek
Experts at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the nuclear weapons lab in Livermore, declined Monday to say how much polonium-210 would be needed to harm anyone. They said they were calculating how much would be needed -- but even if they knew the answer, they wouldn't reveal it publicly for ethical reasons.

Hmmm. Guess one just needs to go with a (barely) visible amount, then, and hope the blue glow isn't noticed on the canape.

19 posted on 11/28/2006 4:45:58 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Arthalion
at one point Lazar was even selling unused reactor fuel pellets. Completely useless for building a weapon or a reactor (he'd only sell you one), but it was still suprising to see that high-radiation items like that can be sold legally.

If they are fast breeder "fuels" such as U238 or Thorium 232, it is legal. Natural isotopes are license exempt in less than 100 MicroCurie amounts. With natural isotopes at low specific activities, that amount can be many pounds.

If it is LEU, he cannot be selling it, or possessing it without a Special Nuclear Materials License.

Radiologically, the Americium 241 in smoke detectors have energetic alpha, and should be at least as deadly as Po210.

20 posted on 11/28/2006 4:47:43 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: GSlob
The amounts [if any] would be like americium in a smoke detector - traces of traces. Anything greater would run way more than $69. I am still looking for some old clock with radium painted dial - tritium gun sights go to half intensity in 11 years, but radium ones [glass encased] would last for centuries.

I was the RSO for a company, and people used to send me _things_ in the interoffice mail for disposal. They were bringing them in from home, and were careful to use a blank interoffice envelope. I resented it.

All kinds of stuff used to show up: The radium dial clocks, Corell Ware, OLD vaseline glass loaded with uranium (NOT like the recent stuff), WWII surplus lenses made with thorium flint glass that were BIG and hot, Coleman mantles, thoriated W TIG electrodes, etc..etc.

21 posted on 11/28/2006 4:56:21 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: GSlob
looking for some old clock with radium painted dial

They say it is best not to orally moisten the tip of your brush when you refurb your sights.

22 posted on 11/28/2006 5:10:06 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (islam is a mutant meme)
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To: GSlob
If you want to read a fascinating story about an enterprising Eagle Scout with a fascination for radioactivity, check it out. Just damn.
23 posted on 11/28/2006 5:22:10 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

True, but one does not need to moisten anything at all. Grind a few granulae of old radium paint [under some inert solvent, like alcohol, so it does not dust], let the alcohol dry. Make some epoxy, smear it on one side of the sights glass inserts. dip each insert in the radium paint dust - it would stick to epoxy. allow to dry, and then cement the insert with the paint glued to one side into the sights cavities, so the paint is not even exposed, but is covered with glass at all times.


24 posted on 11/28/2006 5:30:14 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Gorzaloon

Not quite. the amounts are pretty small, and half-life is much longer - centuries instead of months. The polonium stinkers chose optimal half-life- long enough to last from preparation to application, and short enough to hope that it would decay before being detected.


26 posted on 11/28/2006 5:43:28 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Ottawa, IL, a bit west of me was once home to radium dial painting companies.
Local legend has it that some of the women painted their nails with the stuff for a fun night out. They did in fact moisten the brushes in their mouth.


27 posted on 11/28/2006 5:45:28 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (islam is a mutant meme)
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To: psychoknk

polonium 210 has a half life of something like 100 days.

that means if you plan on killing someone, you need to have it "fresh"


28 posted on 11/28/2006 8:01:02 PM PST by staytrue
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To: GSlob
"...I am still looking for some old clock with radium painted dial - tritium gun sights go to half intensity in 11 years, but radium ones [glass encased] would last for centuries..."

How odd that you would mention that, GSlob! There was a story about two years ago about a High-School kid who got his hands on an old bottle of Radium paint, found inside an old clock. The story would have ended there, with any ordinary kid just painting things that glowed in the dark.

But this 13 year old senior was building a replica of an enrichment device as a science project, and decided to see if he could actually do it!

The details I remember are sketchy, but when the Haz-Mat people were done, the kid had a full-boat college scholarship, and his parents needed a new car and garage! Seems the re-rod in the floor was radioactive too.

I'll see if I can find that story and reference it for you. I would have kept it ... and I now realize that it was more like five years ago. Bookmarked - see ya later. Stay well..................FRegards

29 posted on 11/28/2006 9:36:48 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: psychoknk
Pardon me if I call shenanigans.

Get the brooms!!

30 posted on 11/28/2006 9:38:40 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: GSlob

I think that's the story in #23.

Note to self: Read all posts before responding!

Stay well............FRegards


31 posted on 11/28/2006 9:48:09 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo

32 posted on 11/28/2006 10:08:46 PM PST by null and void (To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funnybone. --Reba McEntire)
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To: null and void
Yuppers! That's the kid. Pretty amazing story. I was trying to remember it, when I saw the reference to Radium.

Wow! When I had food poisoning in 2002, I really did screw-up my memory.

I'll never eat at that restaurant-that-shall-remain-unnamed again!

APPLEBEES!!

Stay well................FRegards

33 posted on 11/28/2006 11:46:49 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: gonzo
But this 13 year old senior was building a replica of an enrichment device as a science project, and decided to see if he could actually do it!

That's the famous "Atomic Scout" incident. He built a neutron source with radium and beryllium and then assembled uranium and thorium with it.

Radscout

34 posted on 11/29/2006 4:02:22 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Not clear that this particular substance could be mailed, but from the USPS website it appears that the flat prohibition applies only to mail via a class that can travel by air. Small amounts of some (but not all) radioactive materials can be mailed by surface mail with strict packaging requirements and activity limits.


35 posted on 11/29/2006 9:20:59 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Sender
>>>If you want to read a fascinating story ...<<<

Yikes!

36 posted on 11/29/2006 10:18:46 AM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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