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7M behind bars, on probation or parole
AP Photos on Yahoo ^ | 11/29/06 | Kasie Hunt - ap

Posted on 11/29/2006 7:59:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - A record 7 million people — or one in every 32 American adults — were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, according to the Justice Department. Of those, 2,193,798 were in prison or jail, an increase of 2.7 percent over the previous year.

Even though data show more prison releases, the report said, admissions still exceed releases. More than 4.1 million people were on probation and 784,208 were on parole at the end of 2005.

Men still far outnumber women in prisons and jails, but the female population is growing faster. Over the past year, the population females in state or federal prison increased 2.6 percent while the number of male inmates rose 1.9 percent. By year's end, 7 percent of all inmates were women.

"Today's figures fail to capture incarceration's impact on the thousands of children left behind by mothers in prison," Marc Mauer, the executive director of the Sentencing Project, a Washington-based group supporting criminal justice reform, said in a statement. "Misguided policies that create harsher sentences for nonviolent drug offenses are disproportionately responsible for the increasing rates of women in prisons and jails."

From 1995 until 2003, inmates in federal prison for drug offenses have accounted for 49 percent of total prison population growth.

Racial disparities among prisoners persist. In the 25-29 age group, 8.1 percent — about one in every 13 — of black men are incarcerated, compared with 2.6 percent of Hispanic men and 1.1 percent of white men. And it's not much different among women. By the end of 2005, black women were more than twice as likely as Hispanics and over three times as white women to be in prison.

Certain states saw more significant changes in prison population. In South Dakota, the number of inmates increased 11 percent over the past year, more than any other state. Montana and Kentucky were next in line with increases of 10.4 percent and 7.9 percent, respectively. Georgia had the biggest decrease, losing 4.6 percent, followed by Maryland with a 2.4 percent decrease and Louisiana with a 2.3 percent drop.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: inmates; parole; prisons; probation
We need more laws!

Uh, No, wait.

1 posted on 11/29/2006 7:59:43 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

A cell at the state prison in Warren, Maine is shown in this 2002 file photo. A record 7 million people _ or one in every 32 American adults _ were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, according to the Justice Department. (AP Photo/Joel Page)


2 posted on 11/29/2006 8:01:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

Stupid drug war.


3 posted on 11/29/2006 8:02:10 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lack of responsibility is spreading, aided and encouraged by modern public education.


4 posted on 11/29/2006 8:02:59 PM PST by DBrow
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To: NormsRevenge
There are actually those who advocate for criminals, confined to their little cells.

What they did and how they got there is seldom mentioned by such advocates.


5 posted on 11/29/2006 8:18:11 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: NormsRevenge

This is deceptive. How many of the 7M are American Citizens? I seem to reall reading 2M were illegals. Maybe someone can verify.

LBT
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6 posted on 11/29/2006 8:22:17 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: NormsRevenge
We need more laws!

You hit the nail on the head. We have too many laws and we have an executive and judiciary run amuck at every level. Most people are breaking 'behavorial' laws they dont even know exist. And its easier for DA's to try (actually strong arm into pleas) Joe Average for alleged BS charges than to have Police actually catch criminals. The system is upside down.

7 posted on 11/29/2006 8:30:49 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: NormsRevenge
My error...

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml

LBT
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8 posted on 11/29/2006 8:32:27 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Zeroisanumber
Got that right. But it's OK if sex offenders get released.
9 posted on 11/29/2006 8:34:48 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: DBrow
Lack of responsibility is spreading, aided and encouraged by modern public education.

Nope. To end up in a prison is rather the outcome of a lack of education. Public education may have its faults but the placement of information is for sure not the source of crime and violence. The teachers do not tell those kids to murder or rape.

The problem lies in the American society that is obviously unable to encourage and patronize kids that were not born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Not those kids are bad, the system that does not provide any equality of opportunity is. I am also no friend of egalitarianism, but you should understand it as a investment into the future to give public schools the means to enable their pupils to have success through solid knowledge transfer. Isn't it your American "Declaration of Independence" that contains the "Pursuit of Happiness"? Love it or hate it, that is a problem that can not be solved with homeschooling or some hypocritical "godly" (sarcasm) advices. Kids (no matter where they come from) need help, ethics and education.

Those cram-full prisons are a shame for America.

Greetings from good old Europe (Lake Constance, Germany) :-)

A.B.

10 posted on 11/29/2006 8:39:23 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandu m.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Those cram-full prisons are a shame for America.

You and I are in complete agreement.

11 posted on 11/29/2006 8:41:58 PM PST by Wormwood (Self-delusion in the face of unpleasant facts is folly - Ronald Reagan)
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To: LiberalBassTurds

No problem, and thanks for posting that additional info.


12 posted on 11/29/2006 8:45:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: NormsRevenge

seems kind of low


13 posted on 11/29/2006 8:51:30 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

"Love it or hate it, that is a problem that can not be solved with homeschooling".

Disagree. If more kids GOT that sort of time and attention and commitment from their parents, our prisons would be almost empty.

It's the kids who don't get family support that are in trouble. Public school is no substitute for a family with a loving married mother and father.

We've got great teachers and good programs at my local school, where I volunteer. I can tell you almost immediately which kids will do well and which will do poorly. In almost every case, the failure is family related.

BTW, people don't need a "silver spoon in their mouths" to be decent, productive citizens, or to raise good kids. What they need are good standards, lots of love, and the ability to make a lifetime commitment.


14 posted on 11/29/2006 9:00:44 PM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

The US school system deliberately does not "teach values". Every teacher I have spoken to has assured me of this, that the teaching method and content does not include "Value judgements" of any type. You can see this in the crime stats.

Self esteem is a big deal, self respect is not.

As for kids born with a silver spoon, I think the median income is less than 50,000 USD. Rich silver spoon kids are quite rare. If what you suggest is true then American education ignores most kids.

There is equality of opportunity, but the motivation to get it is lost in teaching entitlement mentality, that a good living is "owed" due to socialist thinking. When the good living is not handed to the kids automatically, bitterness and apathy result.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 9:01:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Zeroisanumber

I'll take a stupid drug war over a nation of coke zombies man


16 posted on 11/29/2006 9:05:50 PM PST by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: NormsRevenge

You bet. Don't want to be the source of bad data. My old age and early Alzheimers was definitely showing...hehe. :-)

LBT
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17 posted on 11/29/2006 9:08:57 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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To: Zeroisanumber
"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris [government]. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." Ayn Rand - passage from Atlas Shrugged
18 posted on 11/29/2006 9:16:36 PM PST by Raymann
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To: LiberalBassTurds
My old age and early Alzheimers was definitely showing

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Whew,, and here I thought it was a Danny Devito moment. :-)


19 posted on 11/29/2006 9:16:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Most of us long ago outgrew the urge to resort to infantile class warfare. Crime is not a result of lack of education. Lack of education as well as crime are a result of disorganized, fragmented, and ineffectual families, and other intermediate social structures, demoralized and degraded courtesy of the leftwing a-holes in charge of so many institutions.

It is no accident that crime has escalated in this country in concert with the rise of characteristic liberal fashions of governance.

20 posted on 11/29/2006 9:16:59 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: NormsRevenge

How many of these 7M are Vicente's?


21 posted on 11/29/2006 9:18:56 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Magnum44
The government as a whole is upside down. Imprison the criminals - people who pose a serious threat to society. I don't think it is - in general - the fault of the police. They catch the criminals and other criminals set them free and jail the little guy to meet their quotas.
22 posted on 11/29/2006 9:19:15 PM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thats pretty nice from what I was in in my past ..lol


23 posted on 11/29/2006 9:25:45 PM PST by justkillingtime
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To: justkillingtime

There are homeless people that would kill for a cell like that to sleep in on a cold night. ;-) (just kidding)


24 posted on 11/29/2006 9:29:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: bordergal
We've got great teachers and good programs at my local school, where I volunteer. I can tell you almost immediately which kids will do well and which will do poorly. In almost every case, the failure is family related.

That is indeed true. Nevertheless the kids are innocent and not responsible for the failures of their families. Therefore they need help if their own people are unwilling or unable to do so. Although I hate gouvernment and state messing in our lives, I have to say that this is the most important institution that has abillities to ease this social problem.

It's the kids who don't get family support that are in trouble. Public school is no substitute for a family with a loving married mother and father.

In many cases it has to be a substitute since no loving mother or father are existing. It is better to help in a unorthodox way than to ignore the problem. Personally I think we even have a Christian obligation to do so (BTW - we Europeans have some simular problems although our situation is different.)

Disagree. If more kids GOT that sort of time and attention and commitment from their parents, our prisons would be almost empty.

Homeschooling is (if it is not motivated by religious fundamentalism) a elitist experiment of a few families who have the background and the means to do so. We all know that it can be no solution for kids that are growing up in the gutter.

25 posted on 11/29/2006 9:32:08 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandu m.)
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Yes..you are correct. I know of quite a few homeless who in the winter would break storefront windows just to get locked up and out of the cold..and thats just in my little town in IL...Im sure it happens elswhere tho


26 posted on 11/29/2006 9:36:28 PM PST by justkillingtime
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To: DBrow
The US school system deliberately does not "teach values". Every teacher I have spoken to has assured me of this, that the teaching method and content does not include "Value judgements" of any type. You can see this in the crime stats.

Maybe not the system but its people. The attitude of a good teacher is usually adopted in parts by his pupils. I learned in many schools and univercities and often observed this phenomenon. Such effects can help kids with a problematic background in a extraordinary way. They can adopt normal life into the mess they are living in. That is not bad to me.

27 posted on 11/29/2006 9:38:16 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Crime and criminal activity cause poverty. It's not the other way around. People can be born into serious poverty and still stay out of trouble and lead productive, fulfilling lives. It happened in my family. Many times.

And FYI, I work in education. You'd be shocked to see what home schooling accomplishes academically, spiritually and morally. Sorry, but you're talking through your hat.
28 posted on 11/29/2006 9:40:30 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: hinckley buzzard
I am no friend of infantile class warfare either. Nevertheless I see simply the need to help those kids. Whining about disorganized, fragmented, and ineffectual families is no solution for them although you are of course right about the causes.

Personally I think that the vicious circle of hopelessness has to be broken to give the kids a chance. They are innocent and I am convinced that they have a right on a chance. If this happens with public schools it is fine with me, if it happens somewhere else it is also fine. The destination is important but not the way.

29 posted on 11/29/2006 9:47:17 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Nevertheless I see simply the need to help those kids.


Sounds like a nice a idea, can't argue with it. How would you do it?


31 posted on 11/30/2006 5:44:06 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: justkillingtime

I know of quite a few homeless who in the winter would break storefront windows just to get locked up and out of the cold..

Most of the homeless (not all) that I encounter are there by choice. They have the opportunities for jobs, and support but choose to be homeless. So, are you going to hold them accountable for their actions or say "you poor thing, it's not your fault."


32 posted on 11/30/2006 5:47:17 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

AB-I'm curious. Here is a real situation that I encountered in one town that I lived in.

The scenario.
Many of the parents were on public assistance. They made absolutely no effort to encourage their children to get an education and be productive, or even at a minimum, show up at school. One teacher called 42 parents for her third grade class to plead with them to have their children do their homework and show up for class. 39 of those parents told her to piss off. I saw her after those calls, she was in tears, tears of frustration and anger that she couldn't do more. Their families in many cases were intact, they were just human leeches-content to live off the labor of others and teaching their children to do the same.

The school did their best, but they couldn't overcome the horrendous parenting-the majority of the kids (sadly) had carbon copies of their parent's attitudes.

What specific steps would you take to address this situation?


33 posted on 11/30/2006 7:33:38 AM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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