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7M behind bars, on probation or parole
AP Photos on Yahoo ^ | 11/29/06 | Kasie Hunt - ap

Posted on 11/29/2006 7:59:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

How many of these 7M are Vicente's?


21 posted on 11/29/2006 9:18:56 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Magnum44
The government as a whole is upside down. Imprison the criminals - people who pose a serious threat to society. I don't think it is - in general - the fault of the police. They catch the criminals and other criminals set them free and jail the little guy to meet their quotas.
22 posted on 11/29/2006 9:19:15 PM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thats pretty nice from what I was in in my past ..lol


23 posted on 11/29/2006 9:25:45 PM PST by justkillingtime
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To: justkillingtime

There are homeless people that would kill for a cell like that to sleep in on a cold night. ;-) (just kidding)


24 posted on 11/29/2006 9:29:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: bordergal
We've got great teachers and good programs at my local school, where I volunteer. I can tell you almost immediately which kids will do well and which will do poorly. In almost every case, the failure is family related.

That is indeed true. Nevertheless the kids are innocent and not responsible for the failures of their families. Therefore they need help if their own people are unwilling or unable to do so. Although I hate gouvernment and state messing in our lives, I have to say that this is the most important institution that has abillities to ease this social problem.

It's the kids who don't get family support that are in trouble. Public school is no substitute for a family with a loving married mother and father.

In many cases it has to be a substitute since no loving mother or father are existing. It is better to help in a unorthodox way than to ignore the problem. Personally I think we even have a Christian obligation to do so (BTW - we Europeans have some simular problems although our situation is different.)

Disagree. If more kids GOT that sort of time and attention and commitment from their parents, our prisons would be almost empty.

Homeschooling is (if it is not motivated by religious fundamentalism) a elitist experiment of a few families who have the background and the means to do so. We all know that it can be no solution for kids that are growing up in the gutter.

25 posted on 11/29/2006 9:32:08 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandu m.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yes..you are correct. I know of quite a few homeless who in the winter would break storefront windows just to get locked up and out of the cold..and thats just in my little town in IL...Im sure it happens elswhere tho


26 posted on 11/29/2006 9:36:28 PM PST by justkillingtime
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To: DBrow
The US school system deliberately does not "teach values". Every teacher I have spoken to has assured me of this, that the teaching method and content does not include "Value judgements" of any type. You can see this in the crime stats.

Maybe not the system but its people. The attitude of a good teacher is usually adopted in parts by his pupils. I learned in many schools and univercities and often observed this phenomenon. Such effects can help kids with a problematic background in a extraordinary way. They can adopt normal life into the mess they are living in. That is not bad to me.

27 posted on 11/29/2006 9:38:16 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Crime and criminal activity cause poverty. It's not the other way around. People can be born into serious poverty and still stay out of trouble and lead productive, fulfilling lives. It happened in my family. Many times.

And FYI, I work in education. You'd be shocked to see what home schooling accomplishes academically, spiritually and morally. Sorry, but you're talking through your hat.
28 posted on 11/29/2006 9:40:30 PM PST by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: hinckley buzzard
I am no friend of infantile class warfare either. Nevertheless I see simply the need to help those kids. Whining about disorganized, fragmented, and ineffectual families is no solution for them although you are of course right about the causes.

Personally I think that the vicious circle of hopelessness has to be broken to give the kids a chance. They are innocent and I am convinced that they have a right on a chance. If this happens with public schools it is fine with me, if it happens somewhere else it is also fine. The destination is important but not the way.

29 posted on 11/29/2006 9:47:17 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Nevertheless I see simply the need to help those kids.


Sounds like a nice a idea, can't argue with it. How would you do it?


31 posted on 11/30/2006 5:44:06 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: justkillingtime

I know of quite a few homeless who in the winter would break storefront windows just to get locked up and out of the cold..

Most of the homeless (not all) that I encounter are there by choice. They have the opportunities for jobs, and support but choose to be homeless. So, are you going to hold them accountable for their actions or say "you poor thing, it's not your fault."


32 posted on 11/30/2006 5:47:17 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the Truth here Folks.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

AB-I'm curious. Here is a real situation that I encountered in one town that I lived in.

The scenario.
Many of the parents were on public assistance. They made absolutely no effort to encourage their children to get an education and be productive, or even at a minimum, show up at school. One teacher called 42 parents for her third grade class to plead with them to have their children do their homework and show up for class. 39 of those parents told her to piss off. I saw her after those calls, she was in tears, tears of frustration and anger that she couldn't do more. Their families in many cases were intact, they were just human leeches-content to live off the labor of others and teaching their children to do the same.

The school did their best, but they couldn't overcome the horrendous parenting-the majority of the kids (sadly) had carbon copies of their parent's attitudes.

What specific steps would you take to address this situation?


33 posted on 11/30/2006 7:33:38 AM PST by bordergal (There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men bad enough for this treachery)
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