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Already Too Busy for Civility ( Sen.Webb vs G W Bush)
WaPo ^ | 30 NOV 2006 | George Will

Posted on 11/30/2006 5:35:39 AM PST by radar101

Webb certainly has conveyed what he is: a boor. Never mind the patent disrespect for the presidency. Webb's more gross offense was calculated rudeness toward another human being -- one who, disregarding many hard things Webb had said about him during the campaign, asked a civil and caring question, as one parent to another. When -- if ever -- Webb grows weary of admiring his new grandeur as a "leader" who carefully calibrates the "symbolic things" he does to convey messages, he might consider this: In a republic, people decline to be led by leaders who are insufferably full of themselves.

But notice, in the second sentence of Webb's column, the word "infinitely." Earth to Webb: Words have meanings that not even senators can alter. And he has been elected to be a senator, not Humpty Dumpty in "Through the Looking Glass." ("When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.") America's national economic statistics are excellent; Webb could actually tell us how much richer the "top tier" has become, relative to other cohorts, over a particular span. But that would require him to actually say whom he is talking about, and that takes time and effort, and senators -- Webb is a natural -- often are too busy for accuracy.

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1 posted on 11/30/2006 5:35:41 AM PST by radar101
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To: radar101
Another MSM elected commie vampire Senator for SIX years, so what?

As long as Republicans/Conservatives were punished.
2 posted on 11/30/2006 5:39:55 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: radar101

Webb's an arrogant, obnoxious boor who doesn't play well with others, including the President of the United States? Who knew?

Only anybody who's taken a cursory look at the guy. And yet, I was lectured by some on this forum for not respecting a decorated Marine war hero.

Think WaPo's got buyer's remorse yet? Webb's going to be the gift that keeps on giving for the Republicans.


3 posted on 11/30/2006 5:44:57 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: LadyNavyVet

The Wahington Compost doesn't have buyers remorse IMO. The article is written by George Will, their pet token conservative.

I am betting that the ed board and the rest of the staff think this behavior is just great.


4 posted on 11/30/2006 5:49:41 AM PST by SargeK
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To: radar101

Yes, but Republicans needed to be taught a lesson this year.

Psst ... Pay no attention to that war, those judges and all the taxes.

Thank you Virginia.

Now you have a Chuck Schumer.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 5:51:34 AM PST by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: radar101

This is hysterically funny and so very much on target. George Will has just shot an arrow into Jim Webb's heart!


6 posted on 11/30/2006 5:52:24 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: LadyNavyVet

Buyer's remorse?

If Webb in any way plays a part in stopping a conservative justice from getting confirmed to the Sup Court (should President Bush get another opening), then there will be no remorse. Keeping the hot-button social issues out of the people's hands and out of the reach of the democratic process is of utmost importance to the Left.


7 posted on 11/30/2006 5:52:55 AM PST by Aetius
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To: LadyNavyVet

The funny thing is that reading the commments at WaPo, all the democrats LOVE disrespecting the president.


8 posted on 11/30/2006 5:53:41 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: radar101

Damn Will, just say it and make your point. This guy has gotten to be the biggest wind-bag around. He's barely readable anymore with his penchant for trying to sound so damned intellectual.


9 posted on 11/30/2006 5:55:57 AM PST by subterfuge (Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
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To: radar101

"Mr. Smith goes to Washington" . . . . . with an attitude.

Senator Webb, I voted for you so you could stir things up.

Don't disappoint me.


10 posted on 11/30/2006 5:57:27 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: radar101
Oh, please, these niceties. The most boorish experience in November came from the Republican spokesman from the WH, the Tony Lord of Snowdon. In the wee hours, he expressed his glee over the subjugation of the nattering nabobs of neo-nativism--those icky Joe Sixpackers who want our borders protected.

The WH just wanted to take that three AM opportunity to antagonize and alienate those icky conservatives who showed up faithfully to vote.

11 posted on 11/30/2006 5:58:04 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: new yorker 77

No we have a Dik Durban.


12 posted on 11/30/2006 5:59:12 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: radar101
When I was in the Marine Corps 25 years ago there were two must read books. The non-fiction book was Dispatches which Kubrick turned into a cliche in Full Metal Jacket. The fictional book was Fields of Fire by Webb.
13 posted on 11/30/2006 6:03:37 AM PST by 03A3
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To: LadyNavyVet

He'll be to the dems what Hagel and McCain are to the Repubs, a real pain in the a$$.


14 posted on 11/30/2006 6:05:04 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: subterfuge

"...penchant for trying to sound so damned intellectual."

Come on. You and I both know George Will doesn't have to try. He sounds intellectual becasue he is. That's his personality, his style, his schtik. It puts alot of people off. But I don't think it's put-on.


15 posted on 11/30/2006 6:07:23 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: SargeK

Granted WaPo wouldn't care if the devil were in the Senate as long as he caucused with the Democrats. And I understand WaPo is under contractual obligation to run Will's columns.

But WaPo's given this incident a fair amount of ink, including a very unflattering picture of Webb with the article yesterday, the kind of unflattering picture usually reserved only for Republicans.

I think WaPo may be thinking, "Couldn't we have found somebody who wasn't going to look like just another crazy, undisciplined liberal?"


16 posted on 11/30/2006 6:10:41 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: Aetius

You're absolutely right. But I bet WaPo's wishing they could have found an electable Virginia Dem who wasn't a snot-nosed brat.

The more average people see the likes of Pelosi, Rangel, Webb, etc., the more of an uphill battle it will be for the presstitutes to brainwash people into believing that the Dems are reasoned, thoughtful statesmen with ideas that are good for the country.

IOW, Webb acting out in public makes it harder for Hillary, and that's not to be tolerated.


17 posted on 11/30/2006 6:21:24 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: LadyNavyVet

I hope you're right, but as you said, his 'character' was on display for all the world to see BEFORE the election.

Yet they chose to run with 'macaca' for weeks on end and do all that was in their power to drive a good man from office.

It may be that they will regret if his behavior distracts from getting their cherished socialist agenda enacted. However, I don't give the WaPo people credit for that much maturity. IMO they are of a mind with the Daily Kossacks and the rest of the nutroots who will hail Webb as a hero for this kind of 'bravery'.


18 posted on 11/30/2006 6:27:17 AM PST by SargeK
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To: leadpenny
Senator Webb, I voted for you so you could stir things up.

I hope you are as pleased with any Supreme Court Justices that might be approved in the next two years!

19 posted on 11/30/2006 6:29:30 AM PST by F-117A (Hey, Borat! Come talk to these "people"!)
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To: new yorker 77

George Allen would still be senator if George Bush and the RINOs were not obsessed with this amnesty crap. Many areas of Virginia are being overwhelmed with the illegal alien invasion, especially northern Virginia where Webb won big (with the help of a lot of illegally registered alien voters who made the 8000 vote difference).

The conservatives in Virginia did turn out and did vote for a strong border enforcement candidate, Allen. It was all the swingers and the Reagan Democrats who are losing thier jobs to the illegals and watching the crime rate explode while their neighborhoods spiral downwards that said "Enough" to their perceived notion that the White House and Republican Senate just didn't give a damn about them anymore.

Webb, boorish big mouth that he is, actually campaigned on "strengthening our borders" - meaningless words that sounded good enough and which he would never have to deliver on. He even wrote a WSJ column on the problem, with, of course, no solutions.


20 posted on 11/30/2006 6:29:33 AM PST by oldbill
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To: F-117A

You might be surprised how Webb votes on any future Bush SC nominee.


21 posted on 11/30/2006 6:33:39 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: new yorker 77

Reminds me of what my mom used to say about these kinds of actions--something about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. This is what the "lesson teachers" have done, but they've done it to all of us.


22 posted on 11/30/2006 6:36:11 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: leadpenny

Well, you're a waste of oxygen.


23 posted on 11/30/2006 6:36:40 AM PST by AmishDude (I coined "Senator Ass" to describe Jim Webb. He may have already used it as a character in a novel.)
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To: leadpenny

Stir things up, or shut things down in order to start the liberal "utopia" where no crime is actually criminal (judges), no war should be fought (presumably not even to defend ourselves), and schools should only teach "self esteem"?

That is what you and others who voted for 'rats have wrought. I hope you're happy. I hope you remain happy when the next attack hits us (as it undoubtedly will now that the terrorists are emboldened and the 'rats will have shut down the Patriot Act), and indeed, I suspect you might be among the first targets, poised as you are on the East Coast (one of their preferred target areas).

I have no respect for people who have done what you did.


24 posted on 11/30/2006 6:40:54 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: leadpenny
You might be surprised how Webb votes on any future Bush SC nominee.

I doubt it.

What concerns me is the nominees that will permitted to come to the floor. I'm assuming Webb will NOT be on the committee that makes that decision, correct me if I'm wrong.

25 posted on 11/30/2006 6:50:43 AM PST by F-117A (Hey, Borat! Come talk to these "people"!)
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To: leadpenny

Webb will vote against any conservative Supreme Court nominee by Bush.

Near the end of his term he may be allowed to vote in favor of a moderate conservative for re-election purposes.
But since Hillary will be making those nominations it's more probable he'll be allowed to vote against a radically liberal nominee- if his vote isn't needed.


26 posted on 11/30/2006 6:56:10 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: radar101
"The most important -- and unfortunately the least debated -- issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country."

Guess it's safe to say he bought into the wealthy trial lawyer John Edwards' "two Americas" mythical analysis!

Neither of these "liberal wonders" point out that many of the super wealthy today, like Edwards, came from lower-income families and rose to greath wealth in just one generation.

Some took risks through starting businesses, working hard, taking risks, creating jobs for others, meeting payrolls, and making sound decisions.

Others, like Edwards, did it through courtroom performances and "leaching" off the misfortunes of others.

If the Left imposes its socialist model of mandated redistribution of wealth upon future generations, in the name of "solving the poverty problem," then opportunity for all wage levels will decline, resulting in an amassing of power by politicians and bureaucrats.

Ideas have consequences! A concept the Left never takes into account when spouting the "class warfare" rhetoric, ignoring the 200+ year history of America.

27 posted on 11/30/2006 7:16:04 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: MizSterious

Good, to be respected by someone like you would be a big disappointment.


28 posted on 11/30/2006 7:16:31 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: F-117A

That's right. Assuming he's not on the Judiciary Committee and a nominee get to the full Senate.


29 posted on 11/30/2006 7:17:38 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: AmishDude

Brilliant!


30 posted on 11/30/2006 7:18:32 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: mrsmith
Webb will vote against any conservative Supreme Court nominee by Bush.

You don't know that.

31 posted on 11/30/2006 7:20:10 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: radar101

How do you like your fair-haired boy now you Virginia Democrats?


32 posted on 11/30/2006 7:22:08 AM PST by aculeus
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To: MizSterious
LOL, its BDS and comes from watching to much MSNBC and DNC-Spin.

I guess Bushhate just overcomes rational thought.
33 posted on 11/30/2006 7:28:30 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Mamzelle

Well those 'Joe Six Packers' as you call them, who were pi$$ed at the President and decided to teach the Republicans a lesson on immigration sure did that. Only the Republicans are no longer in control of the House and Senate, and any immigration reform with which they MIGHT have been able to agree is gone by the wayside with the Dems in charge. Hope Joe is happy with UpChuck, Pelosi, and Rangel.


34 posted on 11/30/2006 7:37:30 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: leadpenny

Snort! And from what vast store of knowledge to you "know" how Webb would vote? (Bearing in mind, of course, that you were dumb enough to vote for him...)

No doubt I'll think of you--and others who deserted the Republican party--in the months to come.


35 posted on 11/30/2006 7:38:35 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: leadpenny
You might be surprised how Webb votes on any future Bush SC nominee.

Unless a somewhat conservative nominee makes it out of the Dem controlled Judiciary Committee (can you say, Chairman Biden or Chairman Kennedy?), Webb won't even get the opportunity to show us how he might have voted, so it doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference.

Guess folks didn't give that too much thought before deciding to 'teach the Republicans a lesson'.

36 posted on 11/30/2006 7:40:12 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: leadpenny
The Democrats wrongly assume that everyone is like them:

Rude, inconsiderate, spiteful, and ill-mannered.. anytime a Republican or Conservative is near.

Yet, these are the same people who preach Tolerance, Courtesy, Cultural Awareness, and Forgiveness.

Webb just proved that:

A. He is an a**hole

B. Democrats voted him in hoping he would be one.

37 posted on 11/30/2006 8:04:06 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: new yorker 77

he was elected with a bare handful over half, of the voters of VA. do not blame me for him, i despise the hubristic punk.


38 posted on 11/30/2006 8:06:44 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: leadpenny

Sure I do.
But I can't explain why to an idiot anymore than I could explain to an idiot why the sun comes up each morning.


Electing Hillary president would "shake things up", but only an idiot would vote for a candidate for that reason.


39 posted on 11/30/2006 8:48:08 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: roses of sharon; radar101

"Webb certainly has conveyed what he is: a boor."

He is also a Larry Flynt clone -- low class; no class; purveyor of porn RAT/lib/socialist.


40 posted on 11/30/2006 9:05:55 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: mrsmith

Ya like that word "idiot," don't ya? Says more about you than it does me. BTW, there must be a lot of idiot conservatives in Virginia. We turned the tide with a 7,000 vote margin. Think of us as the thinking man's conservative.

How about this, F off?


41 posted on 11/30/2006 3:54:05 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: radar101

I just can't abide the stilted prose of the twerpy George Will. Is that a bow tie around his neck, or a starched organdy crinoline?


42 posted on 11/30/2006 3:57:33 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: leadpenny
"How about this, F off? "

Classy, just like Hillary and Schumer's new pet Senator the idiots of my state voted in.

43 posted on 11/30/2006 4:21:11 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Classy

Right! You're showing lots of **ass.

For all you try, this has nothing to do with NY. Webb will march to his own drumbeat.

If I had to guess, someone is just po'd because the thinking conservatives canceled out B-Bot phoney conservatives. Real conservatives are unhappy with the conduct of the war in Iraq and they voted against the administration's immigration amnesty plan. Should have been a landslide instead of just a 7,000 vote margin.

Try putting some ice on it, "idiot" man.

44 posted on 11/30/2006 4:49:41 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
IMO an idiot is free to claim that "thinking conservatives" want the Dems running the Senate.

He can claim "thinking conservatives" want Dem policies to have majority support in the Senate: an idiot says such things.

'"Thinking conservatives" want amnesty for illegal immigrants and redistribution of wealth like Schumer's choice for the Senate Jim Webb does"- sure, an idiot can say that. And in this country he can vote to make it happen too, obviously.

When will that idiot learn he was wrong? Well, it depends on the idiot. If, like Webb, he has no principle or honor- never, no matter what Webb does.

45 posted on 11/30/2006 5:13:49 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: radar101

Webb is bought and paid for by the unions, his behavior reflects this.

While I am on the subject of the unions, DeMint has a bill before congress to deny security identity cards for admittance to secure areas of ports to felons. This is an important security measure that the unions are fighting. This bill needs our support. If you can help, I'll get the number of the bill for you.


46 posted on 11/30/2006 8:00:11 PM PST by Eva
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To: DarthVader
No we have a Dik Durban.

No, you have a Ned Lamont.

47 posted on 11/30/2006 8:04:14 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: new yorker 77
Thank you Virginia...

As a Virginian, I would find it hard to believe that any conservative in Virginia could have voted for Webb. There are plenty of "establishment" Republicans in VA (John Warner's base), and a sizable, growing, democrat population in Northern VA. These groups went for Webb, not the conservative VA republicans who frequent FR.

To make matters worse, I predict that two years from now John Warner will retire, and Mark Warner will run for his seat. Idiot voters will vote for Mark, thinking it's John Warner, or maybe his brother, and we'll be saddled with Mark Warner as Senator for years to come.

48 posted on 11/30/2006 8:14:19 PM PST by JHL
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To: Eva

I'm wondering how this story got reported so fast and who overheard the confrontation?



it sure sounds like Webb was setting up Bush ahead of time knowing he would have a juicy story of how he was a tough guy and stood the President down

bang he had the story out in no time

if he detested Bush so much that he wouldn't greet the Presidential host then he should have come to the party but then there would have been no story of Webb standing tall to Bush


49 posted on 11/30/2006 8:33:48 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

Webb reported it to the press, himself. He's proud of his thuggish behavior, like I said, it typifies his supporters.


50 posted on 11/30/2006 8:35:00 PM PST by Eva
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