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The Gentleman From Virginia
The American Spectator ^ | 11/30/2006 | R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.

Posted on 11/30/2006 8:39:48 AM PST by AnnGora

WASHINGTON -- When Ronald Reagan's former secretary of the navy, James Webb, eked out victory against the Republican Senator George Allen in Virginia, what did the Democrats gain? To be sure they gained control of the Senate. That has been widely noted. Less widely noted is the fact that they gained something infinitely more subtle, but delightfully more amusing as will become apparent in the months ahead. In Webb they gained yet another very unpleasant person as a conspicuous member of the party hierarchy. He will not be easily obscured. Webb now takes his place with Hillary Rodham Clinton, Dr. Howard Dean, Al Gore, Jean-Francois Kerry, and so many other Democratic notables as a rebarbative blowhard with whom you would not want to share a gondola.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanprowler.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mrmannersheaint; senatorass
Another gem from Bob Tyrrell.
1 posted on 11/30/2006 8:39:49 AM PST by AnnGora
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To: AnnGora

A great read. Yes, the ThugoRats keep tacking up more poster children....let the good times roll :-)


2 posted on 11/30/2006 8:43:39 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: AnnGora
"All of the above are demonstrably unpleasant individuals, known for their public temper tantrums, their rudeness to staff, their slipperiness with the truth, and their occasional bizarre outbursts. The Republicans have a few such stinkers, for instance Newt Gingrich, but not nearly as many"

Newt Gingrich on the same playing field as Howard Dean and Al Gore? I'm really surprised at him being labeled a stinker. I certainly don't think that Newt is the end-all, be-all, but come on.

3 posted on 11/30/2006 8:46:49 AM PST by NTegraT (There are two things certain: Death and Texas.)
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To: EagleUSA

At what point in time will the Sheeple even notice?


4 posted on 11/30/2006 8:47:22 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: AnnGora

You know... politics... if you make the most of it, you work hard, you use some common sense, and you make an effort to be patriotic, you can do well. If you don't... you get stuck as the ski-bum-boy-toy of a gin-soaked ketchup dowager.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 8:47:25 AM PST by Ouderkirk (America won't win another war until the 1960's flower children are pushing up petunias.)
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To: EagleUSA

I used to get mad at the democrats for being so nasty but I have come to the conclusion that being nasty is in their genetic make up so maybe they just can't help but being what they are, just nasty little people.


6 posted on 11/30/2006 8:49:00 AM PST by jesseam
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To: Osage Orange
At what point in time will the Sheeple even notice?

My question exactly. These are they people put into office by voting Americans. Simply amazing.

7 posted on 11/30/2006 8:53:03 AM PST by opus86
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To: Osage Orange
At what point in time will the Sheeple even notice?

They won't... the view from inside their rectum is very limited.

8 posted on 11/30/2006 8:53:58 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: AnnGora
The exchange of words at the White House may endear him to the Angry Left, but publicizing it may have already sealed his reelection fate.

IMO, Virginians prefer civility. Politicians of both parties in this state tend to avoid making fools of themselves.

9 posted on 11/30/2006 8:54:04 AM PST by IFly4Him
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To: NTegraT

I wonder what has transpired between Tyrrell and Newt for him to put Newt in such company.


10 posted on 11/30/2006 8:57:11 AM PST by carola
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To: AnnGora

LOL!!

So Webb is a scumbag. Surprise, surprise....


11 posted on 11/30/2006 8:59:01 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ouderkirk
"You know... politics... if you make the most of it, you work hard, you use some common sense, and you make an effort to be patriotic, you can do well. If you don't... you get stuck as the ski-bum-boy-toy of a gin-soaked ketchup dowager."

Oh, if only this would fit in a tagline, I'd ask to borrow it!

12 posted on 11/30/2006 8:59:04 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: opus86

"At what point in time will the Sheeple even notice?"

From what I've seen, the Bush haters are a low and vile mob. They want their heroes to be nasty - even vicious.


13 posted on 11/30/2006 9:03:37 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: jesseam

" I used to get mad at the democrats for being so nasty but I have come to the conclusion that being nasty is in their genetic make up "

I'v come to the conclusion that Democrats attract the most flawed among us.
They welcome outlandish behavior, do not set boundaries on ethics and morals and always excuse violations of most standards.
They make society's outcasts feel welcome and comfortable.


14 posted on 11/30/2006 9:03:54 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: AnnGora

Webb was just "earning his bones", to borrow a phrase from the Great Dissembler.


15 posted on 11/30/2006 9:06:33 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: AnnGora

Webb--He doesn't know to act right. Nothing of substance will be of service to Virginia.


16 posted on 11/30/2006 9:08:56 AM PST by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
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To: Osage Orange
In Webb they gained yet another very unpleasant person as a conspicuous member of the party hierarchy.

With Snake Leahy, dumber-than-a-box-of-rocks Patricia Bin Murray, dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks Barbara Boxer, Mime Soros-puppett Casey, drunk frat boy Teddy, Smarmy Schumer and all but a handful of other assorted rogues, who's even going to notice? Yeah, possibly the sheeple of Virginia-- in 6 more years.

But for now, it's like adding another turd to a septic tank.

17 posted on 11/30/2006 9:11:29 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: AnnGora

It seems Mr. Tyrrell has first hand knowledge of Webb's low class or no class demeanor, probably the latter. It may turn out to be a long six years for James before he retires.


18 posted on 11/30/2006 9:12:23 AM PST by jazusamo (Murtha still owes the Haditha Marines an apology-See DogMurtha.com.)
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To: AnnGora
I was listening to Mark "The Great One" Levin last night. A man called and said when Webb was SECNAV, he was very rude to him. Mark questioned the man further and it was revealed the mans father ran a limo service and he was one of the drivers. During some function where he had to pick up Webb, he said Webb was very rude to him. Again, it was noted by both Mark and the caller that you can tell how a person is by how they treat the hired help. Webb is an arse!

Commenting further on Bob's article, I knew a man several years ago who was part of AF security on AF1 during the Carter-Reagan administrations. His tales supports what Bob says about the Dems - nearly every Dem he had contact with - including Carter - were rude boors. The Reagans and the Bushes were gracious, polite individuals.

19 posted on 11/30/2006 9:12:42 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: AnnGora
Excellent!

According to the Hill, Webb even told a source for the paper that "he was so angered by this [encounter] that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief."

I almost wish he had. I suspect he would have never been sworn in at all.

20 posted on 11/30/2006 9:17:42 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: AnnGora
According to the Hill, Webb even told a source for the paper that "he was so angered by this [encounter] that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief."

Sounds like Sentator Webb has a little anger management problem. Had he given into this temptation, he'd be in a jail cell right now.

21 posted on 11/30/2006 9:20:03 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: opus86

"At what point in time will the Sheeple even notice?"

When they stop buying the PR crap that gets passed off as a political campaign. When you point out a candidate's foibles, you get accused of negative campaigning, for Pete's sake.


22 posted on 11/30/2006 9:21:36 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: AnnGora

Yeah they are all nut jobs

But that didn't stop the voters from electing them and damn near making Gore president and Kerry only lost by one state


23 posted on 11/30/2006 9:25:36 AM PST by uncbob
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To: AnnGora

rebarbative?


24 posted on 11/30/2006 9:27:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: jazusamo

I'm not sure he's gonna make it 6 years. He's got the Nixon persona. He played a lot of dirty tricks on Allen.

If I were in the media, or in the GOP, I'd start looking at the info in the public records to see what laws he violated during the election. I bet there are a bunch. The most obvious place to start would be with fundraising. He's the kinda guy who left a lot of buried bodies in his path.


25 posted on 11/30/2006 9:30:39 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: silverleaf

Tyrrell does have a way with words.


26 posted on 11/30/2006 9:33:27 AM PST by AnnGora (E-Harmony.com reject)
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To: NTegraT

Newt is a failure, as are his statements. He has no place in the Republican Party, after stating that MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ IS A FAILURE. He is not worthy of print. I will actively work against ANYTHING he does in the future.

LLS


27 posted on 11/30/2006 9:37:06 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: carola

To me, Newt has an edge about him. He's in the same category as Dick Morris. I will listen to them when they come on with O'Reilly or Hannity, but I am alwasy glad to see them go. Guess Tyrell knows something more about Newt.


28 posted on 11/30/2006 9:43:10 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Brilliant

All good points but short of someone having a video of him murdering someone he'll surely weather his six years, he's a donk. :-)


29 posted on 11/30/2006 9:46:05 AM PST by jazusamo (Murtha still owes the Haditha Marines an apology-See DogMurtha.com.)
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To: AnnGora
He resigned as SECNAV because he wanted a 600 ship Navy and Carlucci didn't. Budget issue's with Congress and such.

He didn't get his way, so he quit. In his resignation letter, Webb said he couldn't support him (Carlucci) personally, due to his (Carlucci's) previous decison of not backing the 600 ship Navy budget.

Why would Webb use "personally" in his resignation letter, or is that just boilerplate for the occasion?

We may have a live one here.

30 posted on 11/30/2006 9:58:52 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: Brilliant; Zack Nguyen; AnnGora
Webb sounds like a total braggart blowhard, attempting to make himself out to be the 'BIGGG MAN' by boasting about his temptation to punch the President.

I seriously doubt this happened as he related it...that does not sound like something W would say or how he would say it.

He reminds me of a puffed up school yard bully trying to promote his toughness by lying and exaggeration, I'd say the Senator elect has serious self-esteem issues.

31 posted on 11/30/2006 10:04:14 AM PST by top 2 toe red (~**~ I liked Tuesday, November 7, 2006...a lot, lot better before the votes were counted. ~**~)
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To: popdonnelly

You sure that's not "making his bones"?...a phrase which goes back to an institution far older [and at least as moral] as the great dissembler.


32 posted on 11/30/2006 10:16:49 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

By golly, you're right.


33 posted on 11/30/2006 10:44:08 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: AnnGora
so many other Democratic notables as a rebarbative blowhard with whom you would not want to share a gondola

What's he talking about? That describes any politician.

34 posted on 11/30/2006 10:45:36 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: AnnGora

He reminds me of the worst side I've read about Jefferson Davis. When he was a Senator, everyone says he used to take political disagreements as an insult on his honor.


35 posted on 11/30/2006 10:48:39 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: muleskinner

a friend of mine who worked for the Joint Chiefs of Staff said based on her experience with webb the folks of VA won't have to put up with him for too many years as he always gets bored and quits whatever he's doing...one can only hope! (Now for a much more important question - who the he!! is Alabama going to hire as our new coach?)


36 posted on 11/30/2006 11:01:11 AM PST by BamaDi (Shula is gorgeous but he couldn't beat Awburn!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; AntiGuv; Kuksool; Torie

Tyrrell's article still manages to point out Webb's virtues, leaving out his perverse scribblings, Klan-shoots, and rabid anti-Semitism.


37 posted on 11/30/2006 11:08:02 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: top 2 toe red

I starting to believe that Webb's tough guy/Irish bully act is just that, an act. Yes, he is a hothead, but a brawler ready to spring into action at any time? How many fist fights has he had in the past 25 years or so? I would think that if he had punched out even one person during that time it would have already become known. The secondhand report of his wanting to punch the president is just to inflate his ego and play to the haters in the Rat party. It reveals not only a boor, but a coward.


38 posted on 11/30/2006 11:45:49 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: AnnGora
Now would be a good time to dig out those old American Spectators from the eighties and see how Tyrrell and his magazine wrote about Webb back in the day.

Of course, Webb's the turncoat, but Tyrrell doesn't come out of this looking that good either.

The "I always knew he was a louse or a loony but couldn't tell you until he went over to the other side" approach leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

39 posted on 11/30/2006 11:47:45 AM PST by x
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To: x
Funny you should mention it, but I recently dumped a bunch of old circa-80s American Spectators as part of a desperately needed house cleaning.

I'm guessing that TAS didn't have too much to say about Webb back then; Webb was just a news blip before disappearing after quitting his Secretary's position in a hissy fit. Feel free to research it, though.

40 posted on 11/30/2006 12:07:26 PM PST by LiveFree99
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To: MizSterious

I'm just here with my own tagline, don't mind me.


41 posted on 11/30/2006 12:10:02 PM PST by AmishDude (I coined "Senator Ass" to describe Jim Webb. He may have already used it as a character in a novel.)
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To: AnnGora

You can add Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.) to the list, too.


42 posted on 11/30/2006 12:14:23 PM PST by rabidralph (Merry Christmas, y'all!)
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To: BamaAndy

I think Webb went to that dinner with hopes of winning brownie points in the media for dissing President Bush. Sometimes things don't go as planned.


43 posted on 11/30/2006 12:21:29 PM PST by carola
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To: AnnGora
He's an enjoyable read, every single time.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting tired of the rudeness and lack of civility in Washington. Nasty people, just plain rude and nasty.

44 posted on 11/30/2006 12:26:26 PM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: PzLdr
making his bones"?...a phrase which goes back to an institution far older ........


45 posted on 11/30/2006 1:19:32 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: LiveFree99
I'm guessing that TAS didn't have too much to say about Webb back then; Webb was just a news blip before disappearing after quitting his Secretary's position in a hissy fit. Feel free to research it, though.

He was quite an up-and-comer back then. Annapolis, Vietnam, and Secretary of the Navy. The American Spectator did review his novels in 1981 and 1984. The prospect of a writer who was both a veteran and at the time a conservative must have been appealing to them. I seem to remember something by him in one of their issues, maybe Christmas book recommendations, though perhaps I'm wrong: it could have been John Lehman. Unfortunately, the Spectator's old articles aren't online and most libraries only keep a few years issues on hand. Maybe Lexis/Nexis has more.

Webb's book Born Fighting did get a very good review in National Review, and he had an article published in the Weekly Standard. If they want to attack him now, fine. He switched sides, not them. But Tyrrell's account looks like a cheap shot. Tyrrell wouldn't have brought up Webb's past conduct if Webb hadn't switched parties, so it would probably have been better to have left it out. As it is, it looks like a kiss-and-tell David Brock move on Tyrrell's part. George Will says pretty much the same thing as Tyrrell does but doesn't claim to have known it all along.

46 posted on 11/30/2006 3:33:23 PM PST by x
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To: x
Thanks for bringing up John Lehman. As I recall, it was he who was the up and coming young stud in the 1980s: PhD from UPenn, company president, Secretary of the Navy in 1981 at less than 40 years of age, responsible for overseeing rebuilding our sea power, author of several books, and member of the active Naval Reserves. Whenever I saw him on the talking head shows he always struck me as a decent, articulate man genuinely interested in doing what was best for our country. There was talk of him becoming Sec. of Defense when Weinberger retired, but he decided to go back to private life.

As for your opinion that the article is a cheap shot, well, this is Bob Tyrrell, whose magazine regularly had the "Enemies List," one of my favorite regular features along with "Current Wisdom." And TAS did print the troopergate stories which led to the Paula Jones lawsuit, which in turn led to so much aggravation and misery for Slick. Perhaps Tyrrell does throw the low blow sometimes, but at least he always fights.

47 posted on 11/30/2006 5:59:29 PM PST by LiveFree99
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To: LibLieSlayer
"MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ IS A FAILURE"

Absolutely agree with you. Newt's got nowhere to go as far as I'm concerned. And comments like the above puts him in a class of Republicans (and unfortunately, there's a lot of them) who are working against the U.S. military mission instead of for it and I will not actively support him in any elected capacity. I used to love him in '94, even own his video tapes. So that should tell you how low regard I hold those democrats because I don't think Newt is low enough to join them.

48 posted on 12/01/2006 11:59:09 AM PST by NTegraT (There are two things certain: Death and Texas.)
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To: NTegraT

I agree with you 100%!

LLS


49 posted on 12/01/2006 1:21:17 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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