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Endangered species alert: 45% of RINOs vanish in a single year
Data from American Conservative Union ^ | 11/30/06 | Dangus

Posted on 11/30/2006 4:11:28 PM PST by dangus

The 2006 election was tragic for conservatives who did lose several key races. But the losses were downright devestating for RINOs (Republicans In Name Only.)

The following is a list of the RINOs, who scored under 60% as graded by the American Conservative Union, and how they fared in the last election:

SENATE: Linc Chafee, RI: defeated. Olympia Snowe, ME: no contest. Sue Collins, ME: re-elected. Mike DeWine, OH: defeated.

HOUSE Christopher Shays, CT: re-elected. Mike Castle, DE: re-elected. Sherwood Boehlert, NY: defeated. Jim Leach, IA: retired. Mark Kirk, IL: re-elected. Nancy Johnson, CT: defeated. Wayne Gilchrest, MD: re-elected. Scott McInnis, CO: previously retired. Jim Ramstad, MN: re-elected. Robert Simmons, CT: defeated. Tim Johnson, IL: re-elected. Jim Gerlach, PA: re-elected. Tom Davis, VA: re-elected. Schwarz, MI: defeated in primary. Charlie Bass, NH: defeated.

It's worse than that, even. Also ousted were Jeb Bradley (ACU score: 60), Mark Foley (63), Mike Sweeney (72), and Clay Shaw (71).

This is not to say that there weren't some painful conservative losses, such as Northup, Hostettler, Sodrel, Chocola, and Taylor. But the losses to the Republican Party struck largely at the "centrist" wing. Where's the media decrying the loss of so-called centrists, like they did in 1994?


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1 posted on 11/30/2006 4:11:32 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Quite a few RMSPs took it in the shorts, some of the gals have survived but not after some delay in doing the vote totes and one or two still may face a mandatory recount due the small margin of victory.


2 posted on 11/30/2006 4:14:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: dangus

The problem is that more RINOs are waiting in the wings.


3 posted on 11/30/2006 4:14:28 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: NormsRevenge

RMSP?


4 posted on 11/30/2006 4:15:10 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: dangus
Jim Leach, IA: retired.

Leach was defeated.

5 posted on 11/30/2006 4:16:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The RINO presidential field says it has "solutions"..."solutions" are solids watered down to nothing)
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To: dangus

Don't they use the horn of RINO's for an aphrodesiac? ;-)


6 posted on 11/30/2006 4:17:48 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: dangus
Republican Main Street Partnership.. a bunch of moderates , much in the vein of the group Christy Whitman started, It's Our party Too.

Many of them are nothing more than Progressives masquerading as Republicans, imo.

keyword RMSP

7 posted on 11/30/2006 4:18:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: dangus

Rick Santorum belongs on the tragic defeat list. A great conservative senator who made one mistake.


8 posted on 11/30/2006 4:20:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dangus

Funny they don't mention J.D. Hayworth.


9 posted on 11/30/2006 4:21:01 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: dangus

We took Schwarz out in the primary and replaced him with a conservative.


10 posted on 11/30/2006 4:21:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: dangus
But the losses to the Republican Party struck largely at the "centrist" wing.

No centrists, no majority ever again. We'd better hope some RINOs can win in those marginal districts in 2008.

11 posted on 11/30/2006 4:21:11 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: dangus

Whoever wrote this is delusional in the implication that republicans cannot survive without conservatives (small 'c' intentional), when in fact, the opposite is certainly more true.

Keep thinking this way. Those who do are beginning to sound like all the apologists for Communism when they tried to explain it's failures. How many of you remember this argument:

"Well, of course Communism is a viable system, it's just that we haven't found the right Communists to run it all yet..."

Substitute "Consrvative" for "Communist" and that pretty much sums up the tone on FR, amongst the "REAL" conservatives (i.e. those who can't define conservatism, and can't tell you how a republic is supposed to operate, except that they know they don't like the way this one works, and who believe that what's good for Pastor Bob is good enough for them!), and the "Conservative" think tanks/organizations ever since Nov 7, 2006.


12 posted on 11/30/2006 4:22:10 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: dangus

Snowe was re-elected not Collins. Snowe, running against
a moonbat's moonbat won with over 70% of the vote. Collins does not run until 2010 or 2012


13 posted on 11/30/2006 4:24:47 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: dangus
The Republican Party has become the party of big-business and big-government progressivism.

So these candidates that lost were true Republicans.

RINO should be attached to people like Tancredo who is truly just a Republican in name only since he is conservative, wants a smaller government, and won't kowtow to big business' wish for exploitable illegal labor.

14 posted on 11/30/2006 4:25:56 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: dangus
We lost six seats in the senate. Only two of them were listed as RINO (at least per this thread). I don't consider it a good riddance.
15 posted on 11/30/2006 4:26:16 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: Dane

Funny they don't mention J.D. Hayworth.
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Yeah, it was -- one of the few real Americans left in the Congress....a major loss.


16 posted on 11/30/2006 4:27:08 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Mr. Jeeves
No centrists, no majority ever again. We'd better hope some RINOs can win in those marginal districts in 2008.

Agreed. I may be in the minority here, but thinking that we can have a Republican majority without any 'RINO' is delusional.

17 posted on 11/30/2006 4:27:50 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: dangus

I call them the Main Street Garbage.


18 posted on 11/30/2006 4:29:15 PM PST by darkangel82 (Everyone has the right to be an idiot, but on DU they abuse the privilege.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

RINO should be attached to people like Tancredo who is truly just a Republican in name only since he is conservative, wants a smaller government, and won't kowtow to big business' wish for exploitable illegal labor.
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True. The terms Republican and Conservative are mutually exclusive in MANY cases. As this whole tragedy brought to a head....maybe things had to get bad, before they get better?


19 posted on 11/30/2006 4:29:52 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Mr. Jeeves
No centrists, no majority ever again. We'd better hope some RINOs can win in those marginal districts in 2008.

Oh B.S.! No Rinos, NO DEFEAT! The reason why Repubs lost is exactly because of the rino factor. kowtowing to DBM/dems, putting factions together to defeat conservative ideas. All rinos need to be squarely defeated or move to the ass party and repubs need to either condone a conservative agenda and IMPLEMENT it, or stay in the minority.

20 posted on 11/30/2006 4:30:14 PM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: dangus

Must be the 'thin skin' 'liguini spined' variety of RINO's.


21 posted on 11/30/2006 4:31:25 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: dangus

Forgot to mention these RINO's have no horns.


22 posted on 11/30/2006 4:33:07 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: dangus

RMSP Elected Members - 2006

http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/members.htm


** - Not running for re-election/Retired
*** - Re-elected


U.S. Senate

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island - Lost -
Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota **
Sen. Susan Collins, Maine **
Sen. Johnny Isakson, Georgia **
Sen. John McCain, Arizona **
Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon **
Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine **
Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania **



U.S. House

Rep. Charles Bass, New Hampshire - Lost -
Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois - ***
Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, New York - Lost -
Rep. Mary Bono, California - ***
Rep. Jeb Bradley, New Hampshire - Lost -
Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida - ***
Rep. Ken Calvert, California - ***
Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan - ***
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia - ***
Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware - ***
Rep. Thomas Davis, III, Virginia - ***
Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. David Dreier, California - ***
Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan - ***
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey - ***
Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland - ***
Rep. Paul Gillmor, Ohio - ***
Rep. Kay Granger, Texas - ***
Rep. David Hobson, Ohio - ***
Rep. Nancy Johnson, Connecticut - Lost -
Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois - ***
Rep. Sue Kelly, New York - Lost -
Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois - ***
Rep. Jim Kolbe, Arizona - Lost
Rep. John R. Kuhl, New York - ***
Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois - ***
Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio - ***
Rep. Jim Leach, Iowa - Retired **
Rep. Jerry Lewis, California - ***
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey - ***
Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana - ***
Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin - ***
Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada - ***
Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio - ***
Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota - ***
Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio - ***
Rep. Joe Schwarz, Michigan - Lost in primary -
Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut - ***
Rep. Robert Simmons, Connecticut - ***
Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio - ***
Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan - ***
Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon - ***
Rep. James Walsh, New York - ***
Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania - Lost -
Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois - ***
Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico - ***



Governors

Gov. Robert Ehrlich, Maryland - Lost -
Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii - Re-elected
Gov. George Pataki, New York = Retired ***
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California - Re-elected




** - Not running for re-election/Retired
*** - Re-elected


23 posted on 11/30/2006 4:33:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Wombat101
I love your tag line!

If (as Rush coined them) the cut and run Republicans stayed home or even voted Democrat to make a point I believe it will be missed.
The Dems now think that there negative strategy finally paid off and now any politician (with few exceptions) who wants to have a job will need to follow the polls to try and survive.
I wish we would have stuck together and laid them out while we had them on the ropes.
The opportunity may have slipped away for good. I think you should make sure that you own the place before you begin renovation.
24 posted on 11/30/2006 4:33:13 PM PST by cjmae (Sanity was not equally distributed)
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To: sirchtruth

The reason why Repubs lost is exactly because of the rino factor.
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Exactly -- dorks like McCain were a big part of it all. The Repubs abandoned conservatism and that is why they lost. The Repubs win, when they act like the conservatives they once were --- they lose when they don't. That is why the stinking libs are acting like conservatives now, because they know America is basically not a socialist/leftist country and the voting base is basically conservative.

The Repubs need a major overhaul and a return to core conservative values and issues. Then we will be back in control, and we had better win in 2008.


25 posted on 11/30/2006 4:33:45 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: dangus
The make up of the HOuse and senate are nearly always the same.

About 1/3 are Conservative Republicans and another 1/3 are Liberal Democrats. The remaining 1/3 is some combination of RINOs and DINOs. When control of the house changes it is the party who loses its 'INOs that loses control. Fools in the defeated party always want to next time run members of the base. When they do that, they stay in the minority.

There are about 17 or 18 battle ground states. There are about an equal number of liberals and conservatives in a battle ground state. The election outcome is deterimined by the swing voters. Swing voters are not ideological. They sometimes vote for conservatives and sometimes vote for liberals. But they mostly vote for their own kind. That is non ideological 'INOs

What part of the party with the most 'INOs controls the houe and senate escapes you?

When the RINOs get replaced with DINOs the Liberals RULE. Ask Nancy Pelosi how that works.


26 posted on 11/30/2006 4:34:51 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: Maine Mariner

The moonbat that ran against Snowe used to be a reporter for the local paper. She would cover our planning board meetings when I was the chair. After reading her articles, I would have to ask myself if I went to the same meeting that she was at. Jean Hay is/was a complete nutjob with one agenda.


27 posted on 11/30/2006 4:35:01 PM PST by brooklin
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To: dangus

A couple of errors in this:
Sherwood Boehlert, NY: defeated.
--->Boehlert retired, replaced with a 'Rat.

Jim Leach, IA: retired.
--->Leach was defeated, replaced with an ultraleft moonbat.

Scott McInnis, CO: previously retired.
--->This is a mistake on the ACU website. The scores listed for McInnis are actually for John Salazar, the 'Rat who replaced him.


28 posted on 11/30/2006 4:36:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The fault is in seeing politics as a spectrum from left to right. There is no-one who wants candidates who take weak and flip-flopping positions on any given issue. Rather, voters have certain issues that they agree with conservatives on, certain issues that they agree with liberals on. Also, there are certain issues that voters would get active about if they were vrought to forefront, issues that voters actually base their votes on, and issues that voters don't care much about.

Voters will support based not on simply how conservative or liberal the candidate is, but on whether the voter believes strongly about an issue, and whether the voter believes that the candidate will act forcefully to fulfill the voter's wishes.

Frequently, Democrats can get elected by faking conservative positions, like Mary Landrieu, Bill Nelson, Bill Clinton, Jim Webb, and Bill Casey. Republicans who adopt liberal positions usually lose however: Issues voters feel liberal out cause them to vote Democrat, not Democrat-Lite Republican. All RINO-ism does is reduce the number of reasons to vote conservative, so that those issues are outweighed by reasons to vote liberal. Worse still, when voters see Republicans abandon their core beliefs in moderate areas, it convinces them that Republicans are the party of big government also, and this breeds voter apathy and cynicism about more conservative candidates.


29 posted on 11/30/2006 4:37:58 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: Common Tator

Good to see ya out and about, Common Tator. :-)


30 posted on 11/30/2006 4:38:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: sirchtruth

"Oh B.S.! No Rinos, NO DEFEAT! The reason why Repubs lost is exactly because of the rino factor...."

No, the reason republicans lost was because it's quite difficult to pretend to be either a republican or a conservative when you spend taxpayer money like drunken sailors.

Republicans lost because the images of our fellow citizens drowning in sewage while all levels of government failed them are too powerful to forget.

Republicans lost because they have embroiled the country in a war which they apparently are quite content to NOT fight, and to not fight it by the Marquess of Queensbury rules of engagement that brought us the disaster of Vietnam (complete with some of the same cast of characters partly responsible for that deabcle, i.e. Rumsfeld).

Republicans lost because "vote for me or the Terrorists will get you" wears thin on the public when it's repeated 700 times a day for five straight years, wothout anything else of import to break the monotony.

Republican slost because while the economy has "created 5 million new jobs", the majority of those new jobs are at Wal-Mart, Kinney Shoes and Burger King. Those jobs that aren't entry-level-minimum-wage-types are the sort in which a BA and an internship just won't cut it anymore. Taxes may be lower, but wages are falling. Wall Street may be up, but the spectre of massive numbers of foreclosures in on the horizon. Economically, the republicans themselves have done little to protect the American worker, and everything to protect the CEO and the ol' campaign coffer.

Republicans lost because even with a veto-proof majority they caved oin entitlement reform and saddled us with another $100 billion boondoggle that will ensure the Flower Children won't have to pay for the medication to soothe their Chronic Dry Eye, embarssing genital herpes outbreaks or soothe their enlarged prostates later in life. This, incidentally, will be the SINGLE RICHEST GENERATION OF RETIREES IN HUMAN HISTORY.

Republicans lost because those who consider themselves "Conservatives", with all that implies, acted exactly like democrats; free-spending, scandalous, arrogant, larcenous, out-of-touch, and believing the peasants will shut up and take it all from them simply because "the alternative is worse".

There, I hope this helps straighten you out.


31 posted on 11/30/2006 4:43:10 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: paudio
Agreed. I may be in the minority here, but thinking that we can have a Republican majority without any 'RINO' is delusional.

That is correct, but the number of "RINOs" can be decreased. What we have to realise is that "RINOs" are in charge of the RNC, most state, and county Republican Party orginizations.

What is the solution?

If we want the Republican Party to return to what it once was, we conservatives need to be in control of the Party at all levels.

The moderates, and liberals who once ran the county party here have been replaced, those of us they called "right wing nut cases," now hold all the offices.

32 posted on 11/30/2006 4:45:28 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: paudio

I tried to make clear the fact that I wasn't saying "good riddance." Note my introduction: "The 2006 election was tragic for conservatives who did lose several key races." Even so, I think RINO-ism hurt real conservatives:

* CONRAD BURNS was a solid conservative on most issues, except immigration. Even many liberal sources felt that charges of corruption related to Abramoff resonated especially strongly with Burns because of statements he made which appeared out of touch. A stronger stand on certain conservative issues, like immigration, may have helped him win.

* RICK SANTORUM lost the election when he pulled out every stop to help Arlen Specter defeat Pat Toomey in the 2004 Republican primary. Specter rewarded the hard work of Bush and Santorum by leading a frontal assault against the nomination of "conservative" judges. Pennsylvania voters decided Rick Santorum was simply an empty suit, and not a real conservative, even though I believe this conclusion was tragic.

* GEORGE ALLEN lost his election on sheer incompetence. Slow, unbelievable responses made the "macaca" issue metasticize to dominate the entire race. Webb succeeded in making the general election seem like an open Republican primary election between a racist boob and himself.

I can't really address Talent's loss... I only know that his approval ratings practically never reached 50% his entire term.


33 posted on 11/30/2006 4:47:34 PM PST by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: cjmae

"The Dems now think that there negative strategy finally paid off and now any politician (with few exceptions) who wants to have a job will need to follow the polls to try and survive."

Cannot diagree with this, however, I believe there's a second part to this that needs to be looked at very closely:

It's not as if republicans (of all stripes) acted in any sort of repsonsible manner to begin with. On the "Disgust-Meter" we can start with the slimy tactics of Tom DeLay (allegedly rigging re-apportionment to engineer a majority), move on to the criminal arrogance of Trent Lott (the American public has no right to know what we put in a spending bill), and finish with the unmitigated gall of John McCain (Campaign Finance Reform = tenure for elected politicians).

I seriously believe that many felt that with veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, the bully pulpit of the White House, and the ability to pack the Supreme Court (gee, that's really worked out well so far, hasn't it?) as if they were invincible. Perhaps even going as far as to believe that with the public distracted by terrorism and "Dancing with the Stars", the President wrapped up in the war, that no one would seriously look at what Congress was doing. If they did, a simple "hey, we're fighting terrorists here, you Commie" should have been enough to shoo serious questioners off.

Pride goeth before the fall, does it not?


34 posted on 11/30/2006 4:50:54 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Common Tator
There are about an equal number of liberals and conservatives in a battle ground state. The election outcome is deterimined by the swing voters.

Nice cute, clean, mathematically symmetrical theory. Pundits love it. Alas, there is no evidence it's true.

Elections are decided by who gets off their butts and votes and who stays home. No one changes their minds. Sorry to spread heresy among your easy theories.

35 posted on 11/30/2006 4:51:34 PM PST by ElkGroveDan ( What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
No centrists, no majority ever again. We'd better hope some RINOs can win in those marginal districts in 2008

You're kidding, right?

Conservatives win even in traditional democratic strongholds when they know how to lead, instruct and stay connected with the common people. Reagan did it on a grand scale, but there are hundreds of Brent Schundlers out there who can do it locally. The key is to get them past the party machinery who prefers to choose from within the inbred country club crowd.

36 posted on 11/30/2006 4:52:07 PM PST by Huber ("Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of classes - our ancestors." - G K Chesterton)
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To: NormsRevenge; Common Tator
I second that comment about Tator being back in the fray.

John / Billybob
37 posted on 11/30/2006 4:53:24 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Please get involved.)
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To: cjmae

Oh, and thanks for the tagline compliment!


38 posted on 11/30/2006 4:54:36 PM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: dangus

This isn't a catastrophe but it's still pretty bad. Primaries are the time to deal with RINOs. Screwing up generals guarantee socialists and/or "blue dogs".

I don't trust the bark or the bite of these dogs.


39 posted on 11/30/2006 4:55:04 PM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Wombat101

"Republicans lost because even with a veto-proof majority"

We never had a veto-proof majority. With regards to the Senate, we'd have to have had well past 60 Senators. We haven't had that many since 1909.


40 posted on 11/30/2006 4:58:49 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: dangus

I have absolutely NO sympathy for the RINOs that lost their positions. Good riddance! I am more than willing to take this teeny-tiny step backwards to get back on track for '08. (And yes, I voted a straight Republican Ticket. Always have, always will, even if it means holding my nose once in a while. A Democrat will NEVER get my vote. Ever.)

And as for the good, solid conservatives who were collateral damage? There's absolutely no doubt in my military mind that they will land on their feet and find good, productive work in the Private Sector like the rest of us. They'll be just fine. :)

I've yet to see a true conservative whine, cry and lick their wounds for more than a long weekend before they pick themselves up, dust themselves off and get on with their lives.

And if they don't? Then we got rid of another useless RINO. :)


41 posted on 11/30/2006 5:01:25 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: dangus

They should also include Ken Mehlman as a defeat.


42 posted on 11/30/2006 5:10:25 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Terminology to results are different things. A "moderate" Republican who tries to attract the right seems to lose more often that not. A "conservative" Republican who is willing to bend and listen to the moderates has a better chance of winning.


43 posted on 11/30/2006 5:10:39 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: dangus
I can't really address Talent's loss...

First, Talent only had 4 years to nail down support. But fundamentally Missouri is always closely contested. In a Democrat year, it went Democrat. End of story.

44 posted on 11/30/2006 5:13:06 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Huber; Mr. Jeeves; Common Tator; Wombat101
No centrists, no majority ever again.

Huber is right, conservatives can win and have won and will in the future win in Democrat-leaning districts.

If your "majority" is provided by liberals (oops, "centrists"), what do you expect to accomplish?? Not much, and eventually the voters will get tired of your nothingness and toss you out on the street with little to show for your years in the "majority".

That goes for both RINOs and 'conservative' reps who become fat, complacent, and tone-deaf.

45 posted on 11/30/2006 5:22:30 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for posting the list of RMSP members. One minor correction: Rob Simmons of Connecticut actually lost in a close race.


46 posted on 11/30/2006 5:26:45 PM PST by Tex_GOP_Cruz
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To: Cicero

Rick Santorum belongs on the tragic defeat list. A great conservative senator who made one mistake.

Driving is that way too. Sometimes even a little mistake will get you killed. Even though he was one of the better Senators and way better than we'll see in Pa for a while, he did compromise his principles.


47 posted on 11/30/2006 5:30:13 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: dangus
RINOs suffer heavy losses and the response from the Drive Bys/MSM is one of... thundering silence.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

48 posted on 11/30/2006 5:30:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tex_GOP_Cruz

Thanks!

I will make note of that and make sure that is reflected in the list next time I repost it..

I had done some of the legwork on election results a couple weeks back but had not posted this list publicly 'til today.


49 posted on 11/30/2006 5:31:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08)
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To: Wombat101
No offense, but I have to disagree.  This writer may be delusional but some of the points are correct.

Whoever wrote this is delusional in the implication that republicans cannot survive without conservatives (small 'c' intentional), when in fact, the opposite is certainly more true.

The  reality I've seen is Republicans who proudly exhibit conservative ideas and standards do win.  The RINO's, or moderate Republicans who try to win too often lose because they tend to turn off the conservative base and voters would rather have a Democrat than a pretend Democrat.

Keep thinking this way. Those who do are beginning to sound like all the apologists for Communism when they tried to explain it's failures. How many of you remember this argument:
"Well, of course Communism is a viable system, it's just that we haven't found the right Communists to run it all yet..."

I really don' t understand this.  Political philospohy seems to be lost on this comment.  The left today exhibits traits for communism, not Republicans.  I DO remember this argument. It was used in colleges in the 60's and 70's but my understanding is the duplicity was dropped after that.  Communism is NOT a viable system and I know of no conservative who would accept this.

Substitute "Consrvative" for "Communist" and that pretty much sums up the tone on FR, amongst the "REAL" conservatives (i.e. those who can't define conservatism, and can't tell you how a republic is supposed to operate, except that they know they don't like the way this one works, and who believe that what's good for Pastor Bob is good enough for them!), and the "Conservative" think tanks/organizations ever since Nov 7, 2006.

I will admit there are some on FR who go overboard occasionally, and others who are more radical than I am.  But, that is not representative of the whole nor the Republican party, nor the conservatives across the country.  

 

50 posted on 11/30/2006 5:32:20 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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