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Liberal Republicans Seek Relevance
NewsMax ^ | 2 December 2006

Posted on 12/01/2006 9:39:14 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

They call themselves Main Street Republicans, moderates consigned to the back alleys of politics by their own party. But despite a severe bruising in the fall election, this minority within a minority finds itself with new avenues to explore, including working more closely with Democrats.

The Republican Main Street Partnership, a leading voice of GOP moderates in Congress, lost seven of its 48 House members to Democratic challengers in the November election. Two other senior members, Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., and Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., are retiring.

The group also saw Sen. Lincoln Chafee, R-R.I., one of its eight Senate members and possibly the most liberal Republican in Congress, get swamped by the Democratic deluge.

"We had some difficult losses, people who had been very vocal and active in terms of being moderates," Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del., a Main Street leader, said in an interview. Castle said his group still can be a force in the new Democratic-controlled Congress by working with conservative and moderate Democrats.

Holding one-fifth of the GOP's seats in the House, Republican moderates will be needed by Democrats, particularly on such issues as expanding stem cell research, improving access to health care and promoting alternative energy. Republicans moderates also hold the key to any Democratic hope of overriding vetoes by President Bush.

Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., a Main Street member who also heads an overlapping group of centrists called the Tuesday Group, said he plans to work with the Blue Dogs, conservative House Democrats who are demanding a bigger role in policymaking because of their pivotal role in the elections.

Kirk is promoting a "suburban agenda" that includes such issues as tax-deferred savings programs for children and protecting suburban open space.

The election losses for GOP moderates were all the more painful because moderates on the Democratic ticket flourished, helping carry their party back into the majority. Indiana, a solid red state, went from a 7-2 Republican advantage in the House to a 5-4 Democratic edge because three Democratic moderates ousted conservative incumbents.

"Indiana is really more moderate than it is Republican," said Robert Schmuhl, a political analyst and University of Notre Dame professor. "That is something we learned from the election."

But GOP moderates tend to come from more diverse, Democratic-leaning districts that make them vulnerable when the political winds shift. That was the fate of losing Main Street members Reps. Rob Simmons and Nancy Johnson of Connecticut.

Another victim was Rep. Jim Leach, a 15-term lawmaker from Iowa who opposed the war in Iraq and supported abortion rights. Other defeated GOP Main Streeters were Charles Bass and Jeb Bradley of New Hampshire, Sue Kelly of New York and Curt Weldon of Pennsylvania.

Another departed member is Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., who resigned in September after it was revealed he had sent sexually explicit electronic messages to former House pages.

Main Street executive director Sarah Chamberlain Resnick said fiscal conservatives in her group who share some views with Democrats on social and environmental issues were also hurt because "the Republican Party wasn't a big enough tent" for them.

While the new Democratic majority ranges in political philosophy from liberal Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi of California to conservative freshman Heath Shuler, a former NFL quarterback from North Carolina, Republicans concentrated on shoring up their conservative base, Resnick said.

"If it all adds up to just appealing to a more conservative base, then we are dealing at the margins in terms of gaining seats," Castle said of fellow Republicans.

Moderates were heartened that Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, considered to be open to all wings of the party, defeated conservative standard-bearer Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., in party leadership elections earlier this month. But Main Street's only spot in the leadership went to Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas, one of its more conservative members, who was elected GOP conference vice-chair.

Pence made a name for himself by heading the Main Streeters' conservative counterpart, the Republican Study Committee. It went into the election with 110 members, almost half of all House Republicans. Despite GOP losses in the election of 30-plus seats, the RSC expects to come close to maintaining its current membership level.

Meanwhile, of the 13 Republican freshman in the next Congress, only one, Dean Heller of Nevada, has said he is joining the Main Street caucus.


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Better than working with the 'Rats, why don't they just join them????
1 posted on 12/01/2006 9:39:16 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

They want to cause trouble within the party. That's why I always call them RINOs and Main Street Garbage.


2 posted on 12/01/2006 9:42:29 PM PST by darkangel82 (Everyone has the right to be an idiot, but on DU they abuse the privilege.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

This is not good news. The moderates and independents shifted to the democrats. If you lose the center, you lose period. Solution? Rudy Giuliani.


3 posted on 12/01/2006 9:45:38 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: Aussie Dasher

You seem to be under some delusion that the GOP can win much without the "RINO" vote. It can't, except in certain selected areas. And of course, then there is the independent vote, which is even more RINO than the RINO vote. Delusional self indulgence is akin to gluttony, and gluttony is a sin.


4 posted on 12/01/2006 9:45:47 PM PST by Torie
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To: Aussie Dasher

I don't know who's worse: my former representative (Castle), or my current one (Moran of northern Virginia).


5 posted on 12/01/2006 9:47:49 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: Aussie Dasher

a little something I tossed together..

2006 Election season results

RMSP Elected Members - 2006
http://www.rmsp.org/members.htm

** - Not running for re-election/Retired
*** - Re-elected


U.S. Senate

Sen. Lincoln Chafee, Rhode Island - Lost -
Sen. Norm Coleman, Minnesota **
Sen. Susan Collins, Maine **
Sen. Johnny Isakson, Georgia **
Sen. John McCain, Arizona **
Sen. Gordon Smith, Oregon **
Sen. Olympia Snowe, Maine **
Sen. Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania **



U.S. House

Rep. Charles Bass, New Hampshire - Lost -
Rep. Judy Biggert, Illinois - ***
Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, New York - Lost -
Rep. Mary Bono, California - ***
Rep. Jeb Bradley, New Hampshire - Lost -
Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida - ***
Rep. Ken Calvert, California - ***
Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan - ***
Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia - ***
Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware - ***
Rep. Thomas Davis, III, Virginia - ***
Rep. Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. David Dreier, California - ***
Rep. Vernon Ehlers, Michigan - ***
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, New Jersey - ***
Rep. Jim Gerlach, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland - ***
Rep. Paul Gillmor, Ohio - ***
Rep. Kay Granger, Texas - ***
Rep. David Hobson, Ohio - ***
Rep. Nancy Johnson, Connecticut - Lost -
Rep. Timothy Johnson, Illinois - ***
Rep. Sue Kelly, New York - Lost -
Rep. Mark Kirk, Illinois - ***
Rep. Jim Kolbe, Arizona - Lost
Rep. John R. Kuhl, New York - ***
Rep. Ray LaHood, Illinois - ***
Rep. Steven LaTourette, Ohio - ***
Rep. Jim Leach, Iowa - Retired **
Rep. Jerry Lewis, California - ***
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey - ***
Rep. Jim McCrery, Louisiana - ***
Rep. Thomas Petri, Wisconsin - ***
Rep. Todd Platts, Pennsylvania - ***
Rep. Jon Porter, Nevada - ***
Rep. Deborah Pryce, Ohio - ***
Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota - ***
Rep. Ralph Regula, Ohio - ***
Rep. Joe Schwarz, Michigan - Lost in primary -
Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut - ***
Rep. Robert Simmons, Connecticut - Lost -
Rep. Michael Turner, Ohio - ***
Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan - ***
Rep. Greg Walden, Oregon
Rep. James Walsh, New York
Rep. Curt Weldon, Pennsylvania - Lost -
Rep. Jerry Weller, Illinois
Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico - Re-elected -



Governors

Gov. Robert Ehrlich, Maryland - Lost -
Gov. Linda Lingle, Hawaii - Re-elected
Gov. George Pataki, New York = Retired ***
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, California - Re-elected



** - Not running for re-election/Retired
*** - Re-elected


6 posted on 12/01/2006 9:49:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: OmegaMan

Er...what about the conservatives?


7 posted on 12/01/2006 9:52:44 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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Main Street News

PRESS RELEASE
November 28, 2006

http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/press112806.htm

Main Street Speaks Out on Off-Shore Drilling Legislation
(Washington, D.C.) – "On Election Night, the voters made it clear that they want results - not ideological battles - from their leaders in Washington," said Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, Executive Director of the Republican Main Street Partnership.

Eighteen House centrists penned a letter on Nov. 17 to the Republican leadership on off-shore drilling legislation. The letter states, "The American people made clear on Election Day that it wants Congress to take pragmatic, targeted approaches to solving problems rather than engaging in ideological sparring. Continuing efforts to promote the House bill, which could open the entire U.S. coastline to oil drilling, and which would sweep away environmental protections, undermine local control and increase the deficit, would signal that we have not gotten the message on Election Day."

The letter did not endorse the Senate version of the bill, and made clear that some of the signers of the letter would vote against the Senate bill. The letter did say, however, that if an off-shore drilling bill were to come before the House, the only legitimate vehicle to bring up for a vote would be the unamended Senate bill. The letter also said that all efforts to come up with a new compromise or to take any other action based on the House bill should cease.

"Our party needs to prove to the American people that we are committed to a pragmatic leadership that puts the needs of the electorate above partisan bickering," concluded Resnick.

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The Republican Main Street Partnership (RMSP) is dedicated to promoting and building the Republican Party as a thoughtful, fiscally conservative, inclusive “Governing Majority,” where political debate is encouraged to promote common sense solutions to improve the lives of all Americans. Embracing the full spectrum of Republican ideologies and values in order to build coalitions, RMSP is the largest organization of elected Traditional Ronald Reagan Republicans in the nation, with over 60 members serving in the U.S. House and Senate. For more information on RMSP, visit our website at www.republicanmainstreet.org.


8 posted on 12/01/2006 9:54:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Republicans need to be inclusive of liberal Republicans in the same way Dems use their conservative Dems.

Pelosi welcomes the Conservative dems even though she has no use for their values and would implement any conservative policies.


9 posted on 12/01/2006 9:55:01 PM PST by GregH
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To: Aussie Dasher
Is it any wonder why conservatives stay home? Why should we vote for socialist Republicans?

These "Main Street" Republicans can go screw themselves.

10 posted on 12/01/2006 9:58:21 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: GregH

I meant to say 'Pelosi would NOT implement any conservative policies'.


11 posted on 12/01/2006 9:58:41 PM PST by GregH
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To: GregH

Starting from the bottom The Lord made pond scum then Moderate Republicans.


12 posted on 12/01/2006 10:10:50 PM PST by samadams2000 (Somebody important make....THE CALL!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Well, I think that may be the best we can do this time. I dont think there is anyone else.


13 posted on 12/01/2006 10:24:09 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: Aussie Dasher

fyi ..
Newsmax is running its own title on this Jim Abrams ap piece apparently

original AP title was or looks to have been

'GOP moderates vow to explore new avenues'

Yahoo has this particular piece titled as

'GOP moderates vow to work with Democrats'

on its home page

-- Regardless , Thanks for posting.


14 posted on 12/01/2006 10:46:22 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"Better than working with the 'Rats, why don't they just join them????"

My thought as well. Come out of the closet, RINOS.

15 posted on 12/01/2006 10:52:00 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: NormsRevenge

""The American people made clear on Election Day that it wants Congress to take pragmatic, targeted approaches to solving problems rather than engaging in ideological sparring."

Remind Webb, who wanted to punch out President Bush.


16 posted on 12/01/2006 10:54:49 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Embracing the full spectrum of Republican ideologies and values in order to build coalitions, RMSP is the largest organization of elected Traditional Ronald Reagan Republicans in the nation, with over 60 members serving in the U.S. House and Senate.

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Traditional Ronald Reagan Republicans?

That's one heck of a claim, imo.


17 posted on 12/01/2006 11:00:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: OmegaMan

the Republican Study Committee. It went into the election with 110 members, almost half of all House Republicans. Despite GOP losses in the election of 30-plus seats, the RSC expects to come close to maintaining its current membership level.

Good news for who? This says the conservative wing lost very few seats. That is a good thing.


18 posted on 12/01/2006 11:06:07 PM PST by libbylu (" a clearer voice of conservatism and I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to fill that" Newt G)
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To: NormsRevenge

You also need to add Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, who didn't run for re-election, to your list. Mitt is also a member of the Main street Republicans, and he's a RINO.


19 posted on 12/01/2006 11:09:16 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

as of earlier this year , his name came off their site and list.. but the Rino still holds true..

don't be surprised to see him on the ticket tho.. him and obama seem to be the dark horses with the least baggage.


20 posted on 12/01/2006 11:12:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: libbylu

This says the conservative wing lost very few seats. That is a good thing.

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In California , at a state level, conservative republicans actually replaced a few moderates in the state legislature, but you won't hear about that much either.

Overall no seats actually changed party hands tho.


21 posted on 12/01/2006 11:15:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Inroads have been made, but we need to unload a few more of these scumbag liberal Republicans every time there's a primary rather than shrug our shoulders as we nonchalantly watch them lose in the general elections.


22 posted on 12/01/2006 11:18:59 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge

"The Mitt Romney Deception": http://www.alainsnewsletter.com/s/spip.php?article325


23 posted on 12/01/2006 11:21:31 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Aussie Dasher

B/c it would require more honesty than they possess?


24 posted on 12/01/2006 11:21:54 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: NormsRevenge

There are a good many decent right-thinking people in CA...


25 posted on 12/01/2006 11:31:24 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: 185JHP

Yes there are.

A lot of them have gotten so fed up with being preached to and stabbed in the back by "their own", many of them have said screw voting,, it's too bad, here's to reclaiming the party and rekindling the fire.


26 posted on 12/01/2006 11:34:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I see it happening...


27 posted on 12/01/2006 11:40:55 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Aussie Dasher
Why vote for a Main Street GOPer when you could vote for a real Democrat?
28 posted on 12/01/2006 11:43:35 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: Prince Charles

Why vote for a Main Street GOPer when you could vote for a real Democrat?

--

Yup. Rahm Emanuel was smart enough to figure that one out.... and then some.


29 posted on 12/01/2006 11:47:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: NormsRevenge

He was, but he was also lucky, in that Bush's war had made the Pubbies particularly radioactive this past election.


30 posted on 12/01/2006 11:50:23 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: GregH
Republicans need to be inclusive of liberal Republicans in the same way Dems use their conservative Dems.

That's a double contradiction, therefore it does not exist. ;-) </fun>

But you're colloquially right in stating 'liberal republican,' that's a stomach turning fact as of Nov. 7, 2006.

They went in as RINOs and handed over power to the socialists.

31 posted on 12/01/2006 11:54:23 PM PST by quantim (Ebola virus equivalent => Senators that think they're Presidential material)
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To: Prince Charles

That too is true... and you only have to win an individual race by 1 vote..


32 posted on 12/01/2006 11:55:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Kyl / Cornyn in '08 .... Now is as good as any time for a GOPurge.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lincoln Chafee was a Traditional Reagan Republican? Who knew?
Here she says "unite around shared values" and elsewhere is whining about "partisan bickering."
That bickering isn't partisan, IMO, but because her group has moved away from those values.


http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/press111506.htm

PRESS RELEASE
November 15, 2006

America Needs a Strong, United GOP
The Republican Party Should United Around Shared Values

(Washington, D.C.) – "The election of 2006 is over," said Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, Executive Director of the Republican Main Street Partnership. "Now is the time for our party to put aside our differences and unite around shared values. With Democrats in charge in the House and the Senate, now, more than ever, America needs a strong, united Republican Party."

"Our party has a historic opportunity to recapture the middle of the American electorate and build a lasting legislative majority," continued Resnick. "We need to celebrate our ideological diversity and recognize that people of good faith can disagree on complex social issues. The way forward for our party is not to battle over our differences, but to highlight areas where our party is unified."

"Ronald Reagan built a big tent party that attracted conservatives and moderates, Republicans and independents, and people from all across the country. The foundation of this big tent party was a belief in limited government, a commitment to free market economics, and a confident foreign policy," said Resnick. "Now is the time for the GOP to return to those core principles. The American voter is hungry for solutions and we should be the party that provides them."

"The Republican Main Street Partnership is committed to bringing back Ronald Reagan’s Republican Party. Main Street recognizes that the GOP is not monolithic, and for our party to succeed we will need the support of Republicans of all ideological stripes. Our party’s way forward is clear," concluded Resnick.

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The Republican Main Street Partnership (RMSP) is dedicated to promoting and building the Republican Party as a thoughtful, fiscally conservative, inclusive “Governing Majority,” where political debate is encouraged to promote common sense solutions to improve the lives of all Americans. Embracing the full spectrum of Republican ideologies and values in order to build coalitions, RMSP is the largest organization of elected Traditional Ronald Reagan Republicans in the nation, with over 60 members serving in the U.S. House and Senate.

For more information on RMSP, visit our website at www.republicanmainstreet.org.


33 posted on 12/02/2006 12:12:23 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: OmegaMan

If you gain the moderates and Independents...what have you gained?


34 posted on 12/02/2006 3:02:11 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: NormsRevenge

To the 'Main Streeters': what would be wrong with developing America's domestic oil supplies? Unless "centrists" believe the environmental hysteria that humans can possibly bring about global doom, why oppose off shore drilling?


35 posted on 12/02/2006 3:31:40 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: Pyro7480

Jim Moran (Moron) is. Check out the website morantics.com
and you will see what a degenerate this slime bucket is.


36 posted on 12/02/2006 3:36:29 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Exactly! I wish they would join the evil that they truly represent. Make notes and withold funds at election time. Money is the only motivating factor for a Rino...

LLS


37 posted on 12/02/2006 4:42:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: darkangel82

"But despite a severe bruising in the fall election, this minority within a minority finds itself with new avenues to explore, including working more closely with Democrats."

They were once a minority in the majority and because of them became the minority within the minority.

Botton line is they are liberals who put an "R" next to their name to get elected. It no longer applies. The Democrats did the Republicans a big favor by weeding out the RINO's. It will take a few years for the Conservatives to bounce back.

Hopefully we will have enough time.


38 posted on 12/02/2006 5:09:42 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Lenin)
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To: darkangel82

PINK ELEPHANTS...


39 posted on 12/02/2006 5:11:08 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: darkangel82

More like Sesame Street Republicans...


40 posted on 12/02/2006 5:23:24 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Torie
the independent vote, which is even more RINO than the RINO vote
The independent vote is subject to change. That's why it's called independent. They went for Reagan twice, and W twice. We just need good conservative candidates and we can win the independent vote.

Independents are basically morons. It takes a moron to be independent in today's world. (Oh, today I think I'll vote for the party that protects America against terrorism. Ok, new day. Now I'm going to vote for the terrorists.)

They are morons, but they are reachable. We don't need to run RINOs (morons themselves) to get the moron vote. Morons will vote for non-morons; we just have to run the right non-morons.

41 posted on 12/02/2006 5:29:15 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: Aussie Dasher

oxymoronic.......


42 posted on 12/02/2006 5:33:20 AM PST by mo
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To: Aussie Dasher
Liberal Republicans Seek Relevance

Futility on steroids.

43 posted on 12/02/2006 5:36:07 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: OmegaMan

If you are in danger of losing the center, then you jump wayocer to the left? Giuliani is NOT a Moderate. He is NOT a centrist. He is a leftwinger who is unsound(vis-a-vis liberals and other socialists) on crime.You might as well call Bloomberg a Republican, or McCain stable.


44 posted on 12/02/2006 5:39:29 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Republican Main Street Partnership

is dedicated to being invited to the right cocktail parties where they can hobnob with prominent socialists and MSM editors.

45 posted on 12/02/2006 5:42:25 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Torie
You seem to be under some delusion that the GOP can win much without the "RINO" vote. It can't, except in certain selected areas. And of course, then there is the independent vote, which is even more RINO than the RINO vote.

Very true. One need only look back at the election of 2004. The Republican Party did not win it, the Democrats lost. They lost because Kerry put all his eggs into one basket...the left wing of the Party. America rejected that just as they rejected the Republicans this year.

But right after the election loss in 2004, a reading of the Democrat sites such as DU or Democrats.com reflected a sentiment that (along with Republicans "stealing" the votes), the moderate (DINO) wing of the Democrats lost the election.

Almost all of FR's sentiments have been very similar. Most here are blaming the moderates in the Party and calling for a rejection of them and a move back to the right wing. This will be fatal in 2008 if not corrected early on. America is tiring rapidly of extremism, no matter which side of the political spectrum it sprouts from.

47 posted on 12/02/2006 6:27:52 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: OmegaMan

Better than Rudy, why don't we just draft Hillary ?? They'll never see that coming and then we'll get all our "moderates and independents" back.


48 posted on 12/02/2006 7:01:25 AM PST by Rumple4
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To: MACVSOG68
America is tiring rapidly of extremism, no matter which side of the political spectrum it sprouts from.

The goal of the conservatives should not be to sound palatable to the moderates/independents, but instead to convince them that our position is the correct one. Compromise gets you nowhere, but persuasion does.

Personally, if the GOP nominates Rudy, McCain, Pataki, Romney or any other RINO - I'm voting third party. I would rather see the GOP lose, then to see them win with a candidate that does not reflect my core convictions.
49 posted on 12/02/2006 7:12:37 AM PST by tfelice (Romans 8:29-31)
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To: tfelice
The goal of the conservatives should not be to sound palatable to the moderates/independents, but instead to convince them that our position is the correct one. Compromise gets you nowhere, but persuasion does.

One thing the right wing can't seem to learn any more than the left is that when you are in power, you still have responsibilities greater than your own personal agendas. Republicans made many grandiose promises, but delivered on few. They failed to learn that major legislative initiatives by default require some compromise, since nothing substantial can be achieved in this Country without it.

Republicans drew their lines in the sand with immigration, energy, taxes, and social security. As a result we got an unfunded fence but no real immigration reform. We got some tax credits for oil companies, but no real comprehensive energy independence; We got some temporary tax cuts, but no tax reform. We got nothing on social security, one of the mainstay promises of the Republican Party.

Instead we were toasted with such innovations as the Terri Schiavo legislation (what happened to federalism?), efforts to pass a gay marriage amendment and an anti-free speech amendment; stem cell debates, prayer in schools, Ten Commandment debates, evolution teaching in schools, ballooning budgets and enough corruption to make the mafia blush.

Were those the "correct" positions you were referring to?

And while the right wing was decrying the Gang of 14, who managed to get a bunch of judicial nominees confirmed, they praised Brownback who put several holds on Bush nominees because they did not share his fundamentalist beliefs.

Yeah, toss out the moderates in the Party and prepare for a very long wait for another chance at leadership such as the one we blew completely.

Personally, if the GOP nominates Rudy, McCain, Pataki, Romney or any other RINO - I'm voting third party. I would rather see the GOP lose, then to see them win with a candidate that does not reflect my core convictions.

I hear that a lot here, but in the end, the right wing has no place to go. The moderates do. Americans are basically conservative and have a way of exorcising the extremists from both sides when they get too comfortable.

50 posted on 12/02/2006 8:19:33 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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