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"Report: Electronic voting machines can’t be secured"
The Canton Repository ^ | 2 December 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/02/2006 3:06:34 AM PST by lifelong_republican

"WASHINGTON Paperless electronic voting machines in widespread use across the country may be vulnerable to errors or sabotage and cannot be made secure, a draft report by a federal agency said.

The report by researchers at the influential National Institute of Standards and Technology said the paperless voting machines - essentially notebook computers programmed to display ballot images and record voter choices - "in practical terms cannot be made secure."

"Many people, especially in the computer engineering and security community, assert that the (voting machines) are vulnerable to undetectable errors as well as malicious software attacks," the report said..."

(Excerpt) Read more at cantonrep.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electronicvoting; evoting; representation; vote; voter; voting
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Americans don't need to hand off their voting duties to anyone else, much less to unknown individuals who may not even be Americans, anyway.
1 posted on 12/02/2006 3:06:38 AM PST by lifelong_republican
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To: lifelong_republican
Yup......I believe it was Stalin that said....I don't care how u vote....as long as I get to count them!
2 posted on 12/02/2006 3:40:27 AM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: M-cubed

Built by commies and endorsed by the 'Rats. Whose happy now?


3 posted on 12/02/2006 3:51:35 AM PST by sidegunner
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To: lifelong_republican

It's what I've been saying for some time.


4 posted on 12/02/2006 4:01:36 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

When will this be reported by the DBM?


5 posted on 12/02/2006 4:10:45 AM PST by jcparks (LFOD)
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To: lifelong_republican

Machine read paper ballots (NOT punch cards). The best of both worlds. I don't understand this fascination with "touch-pad voting" that seems to have gripped state voting commissioners.


6 posted on 12/02/2006 4:23:38 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: lifelong_republican
as a software professional who has delivered a number of embedded solutions over the passed 20 years, I can tell you this solution can be made secure, reliable, and allow for detection of vote tampering.

only question would be whether or not they actually want such a thing... which at this point I firmly believe they do not.

7 posted on 12/02/2006 4:52:52 AM PST by sten
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To: lifelong_republican

Solution?

paper ballot(if it ain't broke, don't fix it)


8 posted on 12/02/2006 5:21:06 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: lifelong_republican

What is wrong with the good old lever type of machine?


9 posted on 12/02/2006 5:24:26 AM PST by Dahoser (It's going to be a long and miserable two years.)
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To: Dahoser

Shoot. Get the pols out of it. Let us vote at our ATM machines. I trust the banking system better than any one day makeshift operation staffed by old volunteers. It is already regulated, audited and running smoothly.


10 posted on 12/02/2006 5:37:59 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

I keep reading about voting problems at these machines.

A polling place gets an average of 8 machines from what I can tell. Someone would have to either attack the machines before they are installed, or change the data after the votes are accumulated.

The machines aren't on a network so they cannot be hacked. No one is sending out thousands of hackers to break in to a secure location, open the machine, change the information and get out.

So the only scenario is the program that gets pre loaded is corrupted, which again, you have candidates, issues and other things to be concerned about.

Unless there is a major conspiracy which involves hundreds of people, I am afraid that this whole voting machine manipulation is a myth.


11 posted on 12/02/2006 5:48:22 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Lenin)
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To: lifelong_republican
Noone hears any screaming on this website or others that this election may have well been stolen by the dims.

If Christian/conservatives just crawl in a hole and cover up, then America has qwuit being America!!!

12 posted on 12/02/2006 5:50:48 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (I'll Never Be Broke Another Day in My Life!)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I'm with you. Perfect mix of simplicity and technology.


13 posted on 12/02/2006 5:54:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: sten
"..as a software professional who has delivered a number of embedded solutions over the passed 20 years, I can tell you this solution can be made secure, reliable, and allow for detection of vote tampering."

No real possible audit trail. Machine-scanned paper ballots are the best possible solution--as the voted ballots are sealed inside the machines, and can be counted directly by humans in the event of a recount. No "all electronic" solution will EVER be as secure.

14 posted on 12/02/2006 6:01:56 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The chances of human error are so much greater than machine error that hand recounts only appeal is that it is so time consuming people just give up and accept the results, no matter what they are. How many times did we used to count and recount money to make sure we were right? 3, I think. Imagine three manual recounts.


15 posted on 12/02/2006 6:35:32 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I don't understand this fascination with "touch-pad voting" that seems to have gripped state voting commissioners.There is money to be made selling the touch screen machines. That is what is behind the push for voting machines. Machine read paper ballots (NOT punch cards) is the most practical and honest system. That is what we have here in Wyoming and it works well and people have confidence in it.
16 posted on 12/02/2006 6:58:18 AM PST by tommix2
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To: EQAndyBuzz

"Unless there is a major conspiracy which involves hundreds of people, I am afraid that this whole voting machine manipulation is a myth."

The line voice of reason on a thread where FReepers parrot a probable troll who only posts voting machine articles. DUers are lauging about this thread.


17 posted on 12/02/2006 7:26:56 AM PST by L98Fiero (The media as a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: Wonder Warthog

"No real possible audit trail."

?? Except for the paper that prints after you vote.


18 posted on 12/02/2006 7:28:02 AM PST by L98Fiero (The media as a self-licking ice-cream cone)
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To: sten
as a software professional who has delivered a number of embedded solutions over the passed 20 years, I can tell you this solution can be made secure, reliable, and allow for detection of vote tampering.

"Never say Never" statements like that are the reason why auditing exists as a profession, and why IT auditors always talk about reasonable assurance, management appetite for risk, and the need to almost always never say Never or Always.

19 posted on 12/02/2006 7:31:39 AM PST by Bernard ("Talking is better than shooting" - Tommy Franks. What have you got to say?)
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To: kellynla
Solution?

paper ballot(if it ain't broke, don't fix it)

You really want the FloriDUH voters to vote on butterfly ballots again? We'll have "hanging chads" in every election from now on, and so many disenfranchised voters.

20 posted on 12/02/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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