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I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you
The Times ^ | 7/9/05 | Roger Scruton

Posted on 12/02/2006 6:23:18 AM PST by Valin

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To: IronJack

In dealing with terrorism you are confronting a resentment that is not concerned to improve the lot of anyone,

The radical loser
Hans Magnus Enzensberger
http://www.signandsight.com/features/493.html

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But anyone wishing to understand the radical loser would be well advised to go a little further back. Progress has not put an end to human suffering, but it has changed it in no small way. Over the past two centuries, the more successful societies have fought for and established new rights, new expectations and new demands. They have done away with the notion of an inevitable fate. They have put concepts like human dignity and human rights on the agenda. The have democratized the struggle for recognition and awakened expectations of equality which they are unable to fulfil. And at the same time, they have made sure that inequality is constantly demonstrated to all of the planet's inhabitants round the clock on every television channel. As a result, with every stage of progress, people's capacity for disappointment has increased accordingly.

"Where cultural progress is genuinely successful and ills are cured, this progress is seldom received with enthusiasm," remarks the philosopher Odo Marquard (book): "Instead, they are taken for granted and attention focuses on those ills that remain. And these remaining ills are subject to the law of increasing annoyance. The more negative elements disappear from reality, the more annoying the remaining negative elements become, precisely because of this decrease in numbers."
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There is also no mistaking other similarities, such as the fixation with written authorities. The place of Marx and Lenin is taken by the Koran, references are made not to Gramsci but to Sayyid Qutb. Instead of the international proletariat, it takes as its revolutionary subject the Umma, and as its avant-garde and self-appointed representative of the masses it takes not The Party but the widely branching conspiratorial network of Islamist fighters. Although the movement can draw on older rhetorical forms which to outsiders may sound high-flown or big-mouthed, it owes many of its idées fixes to its Communist enemy: history obeys rigid laws, victory is inevitable, deviationists and traitors are to be exposed and then, in fine Leninist tradition, bombarded with ritual insults.

The movement's list of favourite foes is also short on surprises: America, the decadent West, international capital, Zionism. The list is completed by the unbelievers, that is to say the remaining 5.2 billion people on the planet. Not forgetting apostate Muslims who may be found among the Shiites, Ibadhis, Alawites, Zaidites, Ahmadiyyas, Wahhabis, Druze, Sufis, Kharijites, Ishmaelites or other religious communities.

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Contrary to what the West appears to believe, the destructive energy of Islamist actions is directed mainly against Muslims. This is not a tactical error, not a case of "collateral damage". In Algeria alone, Islamist terror has cost the lives of at least 50,000 fellow Algerians. Other sources speak of as many as 150,000 murders, although the military and the secret services were also involved. In Iraq and Afghanistan, too, the number of Muslim victims far outstrips the death toll among foreigners. Furthermore, terrorism has been highly detrimental not only to the image of Islam but also to the living conditions of Muslims around the world.

The Islamists are as unconcerned about this as the Nazis were about the downfall of Germany. As the avant-garde of death, they have no regard for the lives of their fellow believers. In the eyes of the Islamists, the fact that most Muslims have no desire to blow themselves and others sky high only goes to show that they deserve no better than to be liquidated themselves. After all, the aim of the radical loser is to make as many other people into losers as possible. As the Islamists see it, the fact that they are in the minority can only be because they are the chosen few.
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41 posted on 12/02/2006 7:47:30 AM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: GOPJ

See reply 41.


42 posted on 12/02/2006 7:48:35 AM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: Fzob

Until our government leaders takes to task the destroying of the "Muslim Religion of Peace" there will never be any peace.
If we had presently, leadership as we did during World War II we would not be facing the WOT as we now find ourselves in.

If that's not Nutter stuff, I don't know what is.


43 posted on 12/02/2006 7:50:27 AM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: Blackirish

Yankees! GRRRRRRRR! Curse you, Steinbrenner!


44 posted on 12/02/2006 7:56:39 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Fraulein
They may share share this observation superficially, but the reasons, grounds, etc., are very different.

Not for this simple observation - which is shared by many, many observant people.

If Freud thought it was correct...then it's probably not!

Here, it's important to distinguish between Freud - who was truly a genius - and his followers - who most defitely were not. I don't agree with Freud's constructs (ego, id, etc.) and his therapies have proven to be mostly ineffective...but he was a great observer and his ideas were a vast improvement on previous thought.

Again, though, we are dealing with a simple but profound insight and my point was to show that many great and thoughtful men had had it.

45 posted on 12/02/2006 8:03:10 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Valin

Muslims = levelers.

Meaning they want to bring all mankind down to their level where faith in Allah explains all and conquerers all. They are extremely agitated and busy with the cult of their false prophet but making no progress for themselves or mankind. Jews are only 15 million world wide but they contribute 500 times more to technological, medical , scientific advances


46 posted on 12/02/2006 8:07:40 AM PST by dennisw
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To: JHL
Actually, I was reminded of the Bible, which pointed out this phenomenon thousands of years earlier

Yep. But it's here:

You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

in the oldest, most fundamental part of the Bible.

47 posted on 12/02/2006 8:20:17 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
Yes, the grounds differ even for this 'simple' observation. But I think we are simply going to have to agree to disagree.

However, if the point is so clear and simple, and if so many people hold this view, then what's even the point in your saying, "Freud thought it was correct...and Einstein agreed. That's good enough for me." If the insight is so profound and simple, why isn't it just good enough that, say, Nietzsche said it? Is Nietzsche not also a genius?

Anyway, I'm sure you know that some of the major (post-Nietzschean) philosopers of the 20th century were adamently anti-Freud.

48 posted on 12/02/2006 8:27:44 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: Valin
Success breeds resentment, and resentment breeds hate.

A wise old Jewish friend of mine used to say "Why does he hate me -- I never helped him!". The point made is that helpful, generous, charitable works must be done carefully, for they bring considerable resentment. He who gives/helps automatically gains status over the one helped, who is automatically placed in an inferior position, That breeds a LOT of resentment, and then hate.

In other words, it is not just our success in the US that breeds resentment, but even more so our flaunting of it by being the most generous rich nation in history.

49 posted on 12/02/2006 8:37:13 AM PST by expatpat
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To: liberallarry

You wrote, "Freud thought it was correct...and Einstein agreed. That's good enough for me."

Freud was a fraud, all but completely disavowed by modern psychiatry, basing his theories on the most slipshod scientific methodology ever perpetrated by anyone. You might want to reconsider using him as an authority on, well, anything.


50 posted on 12/02/2006 8:38:50 AM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Valin; zot; Interesting Times

This guy sounds sorta right, but the bottom line is the radical islmaics resent us for our not being moslem in their image of the 'islmaic ideal'. and for our entire culture and faith or lack of faith for the securlarists in the west whom they also hate.


51 posted on 12/02/2006 8:46:55 AM PST by GreyFriar ( (3rd Armored Division - Spearhead))
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To: Blackirish

It's more than that -- see post #49


52 posted on 12/02/2006 8:48:26 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Valin
"The terrorist is not an aggressor but a victim, and we must disarm him not by violence but by addressing the grievance that motivates his deeds."

Well you could also arm them with missiles, nuclear bombs and gunships then they would be able to use those. They would not have to resort to terrorist tactics any longer because they would have real weapons. Right?

56 posted on 12/02/2006 9:01:33 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Valin
In dealing with terrorism you are confronting a resentment that is not concerned to improve the lot of anyone, but only to destroy the thing it hates.

Amen, bro. And the Islamist will continue to hate until the enemy capitulates and becomes his compatriot. They don't acknowledge co-existence, only surrender. Ask Steve Centanni.

57 posted on 12/02/2006 9:10:00 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Rats don't abandon a sinking ship, those who abandon a sinking ship become 'Rats.)
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To: Mark was here
The argument that Islam is about peace and love is a deceitful tactic by those who carry the torch for Islam. It may be argued but it is a blatant lie..

You are on target. This author is clueless.

It is not about resentment.

Osama has hundreds of millions of dollars and a family that gets their asses kissed by American politicians and elite wherever they go. He didn't put his life on the line because of resentment.

The nineteen young 9-11 hijackers healthy and relatively wealthy and educated gave their lives to Allah to kill 3,000 of us infidels, not because they resented us-it's because we have no intentions of believing in their God Allah. It is not about resentment for Muslims; it is about following Islam to the letter and battling Infidels for Allah. - tom Posting HTML This forum allows optional use of most HTML tags. If your post does not contain HTML, it will be converted to HTML when posted, retaining paragraphs as typed. This conversion is not performed if you have anything resembling an HTML tag in your text.

58 posted on 12/02/2006 9:14:38 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Fraulein
If the insight is so profound and simple, why isn't it just good enough that, say, Nietzsche said it? Is Nietzsche not also a genius?

Just dotting the i's and crossing the t's. I refer to the 10 commandments in a later post for the same reason. By the way, simple and profound does not mean easily recognized or readily accepted.

59 posted on 12/02/2006 9:30:49 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Freud was a fraud, all but completely disavowed by modern psychiatry

Modern psychiatry is also a fraud (by your standards). So is most psychotherapy. Its practitioners are the modern-day snake-oil peddlars. The fact is mental disease and human suffering are beyond the ken of present-day knowledge.

As I said in a previous post Freud - despite his errors - was a genius and well-worth studying.

60 posted on 12/02/2006 9:34:36 AM PST by liberallarry
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