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Rice: Mistakes Were Made in Iraq
AP via Newsmax.com ^ | 12/2/2006 | Staff

Posted on 12/02/2006 8:49:34 AM PST by Dark Skies

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday she is certain the United States has made mistakes in the Iraq war, but the world will have to wait until she is out of government to learn what she thinks they were.

"As to whether the United States has made mistakes: of course, I'm sure we have," Rice told interviewer Saad Sillawi of the Arabic satellite television station Al-Arabiya. "You can't be involved in something as big as the liberation of a country like Iraq, and all that has happened since, and I'm sure there are things that we could have done differently."

She told Sillawi, however, that the Bush administration is looking ahead, not backward.

"When I'm back at Stanford University," she said, "I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently."

Rice was a political science professor and later provost at Stanford. She was interviewed at a conference in Jordan, and the State Department distributed the transcript in Washington.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: condoleezza; iraq; rice; secstate

1 posted on 12/02/2006 8:49:36 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
"When I'm back at Stanford University," she said, "I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently."

I was once a real Condi fan. But now I look for to seeing her return to Stanford.

2 posted on 12/02/2006 8:50:38 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

Colin been whispering in her ear?


3 posted on 12/02/2006 8:52:06 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Dark Skies

Me too. I'd like to read those books.


4 posted on 12/02/2006 8:53:04 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Dark Skies

yes mistakes were made. they should haved killed that Sdar cleric in the beginning. I wish they would rectify that mistake soon.


5 posted on 12/02/2006 8:53:49 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Dark Skies

I know that in my job, I have made mistakes. In the middle of fighting an issue is not the time to do a review though. I see nothing wrong with reviewing after the fact to see how you might have done it differently, if the objective is to improve the way it is done in the future.

Colin Powell's problem is that he is criticizing the effort while it is in progress.

Condi is smart to wait until later.


6 posted on 12/02/2006 8:54:47 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Dark Skies

Show me a war where mistakes haven't been made and I'll show you a liar.


7 posted on 12/02/2006 8:55:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Dark Skies
On making "mistakes"...

Many new arrangements are being contrived as a result of the hard experience through which we have passed and the many mistakes which no doubt we have made - for success is the result of making many mistakes and learning from experience. If the lull is to end, if the storm is to renew itself, we will be ready, will will not flinch, we can take it again.

We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. On the contrary, if tonight our people were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, "No, we will mete out to them the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us." The people with one voice would say: "You have committed every crime under the sun. Where you have been the least resisted there you have been the most brutal. It was you who began the indiscriminate bombing. We will have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst - and we will do our best." Perhaps it may be our turn soon; perhaps it may be our turn now.

[Winston Churchill, 14 July 1941]

8 posted on 12/02/2006 8:55:37 AM PST by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: Dark Skies

I think the Administration has done a decent PR job just lately, starting with the leak of Hadley's memo. Condi should continue to be more visible. The impression given is that the adults are still in charge. Dems better keep their moonbat fringe VEWWWY QUIET -- they look like juvenile dilenquents by comparison.


9 posted on 12/02/2006 8:57:06 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Cinnamon

It was Bremmer's fault that Sadr had not been killed. They had him in their scope sts, but Bremmer called it off


10 posted on 12/02/2006 8:58:33 AM PST by Kaslin (Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers. Rosie O'Donnell November 9, 2006)
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To: Dark Skies

Mistake one, not closing the border.


11 posted on 12/02/2006 8:58:55 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Dark Skies

I don't think they have made as many mistakes in Iraq as they think; I think they better watch out or they will botch the real problem which is Iran.


12 posted on 12/02/2006 8:59:44 AM PST by Perdogg (I'm Perdogg and I approved this message)
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To: Dark Skies
BFD, mistakes are made in every war and at every level.

"No plan of battle ever survives first contact with the enemy."

– Dwight D. Eisenhower

13 posted on 12/02/2006 8:59:48 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: C210N

Excellent Churchill quote. Was was true in 1941, is true today.


14 posted on 12/02/2006 9:02:40 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Natural Law

A lot of the usual suspects are going to criticize Rice for this statement, and thus betray their ignorance. However, she is dead on right here.

Be Seeing You,

Chris


15 posted on 12/02/2006 9:02:44 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: section9

Bump.


16 posted on 12/02/2006 9:03:56 AM PST by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Kaslin

Perhaps it is time to serve that arrest warrant on that fat pig.


17 posted on 12/02/2006 9:04:43 AM PST by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Natural Law
BFD, mistakes are made in every war and at every level.

What bugs me is not that mistakes are made, but that she is dwelling on them instead of dismissing any suggestion of mistakes as ridiculous. Of course mistakes were made...that's nature of any human endeavor. That's how we learn.

Saying that she is going to write a book critical of the war effort just rubs me the wrong way.

18 posted on 12/02/2006 9:08:19 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

They are "juvenile delinquents"!


19 posted on 12/02/2006 9:10:54 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Dark Skies
Everybody makes mistakes, what distinguishes the winners from the losers is the ability to recognize the mistakes, adapt and overcome always with an eye toward victory.

We really can't afford to lose. History is clear, withdrawal is read as a sign of weakness by the bin Ladens of the world.

20 posted on 12/02/2006 9:14:20 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Mistake one, not closing the border.

On 9/12.

Mistake #2: Putzing around with the UN for over 6 months leading up to the invasion, which gave Saddam (and his Euro/Russian allies) all the time he needed to get his WMDs out of the upcoming war zone.

Mistake #3: Attempting to "win Islamic hearts and minds" by being ultra-sensitive while fighting the terrorist insurgency. (One example of many -- not killing Sadr immediately). Islamics understand the language of overwhelming, merciless force only, and perceive anything less than that as weakness. ....which of course just serves to encourage them.

Mistake #4: Making the assumption that giving Arabs/Muslims American-style liberty/Democracy would result in a more stable nation less hostile to American interests. We saw what happened when (so-called) Palestinians were given voting rights -- they immediately elected Hamas to power.

21 posted on 12/02/2006 9:16:09 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dark Skies
Good statement by Condi IMO.

Of course the US has made mistakes. Who doesn't?

But Condi knows that the overall effort is succeeding...and a noble effort it is.

This is a statement of humility by a superpower who is going to be seen as right in the long run. Other nations fighting wars can learn from our successes, and failures as well.

22 posted on 12/02/2006 9:18:21 AM PST by what's up
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To: Paloma_55

pure class


23 posted on 12/02/2006 9:20:18 AM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
Mistake one, not closing the border.

That is for sure.
And being clueless about Islam; thinking Islam was a religion of peace, and it had been hijacked by a few fanatics. - tom

24 posted on 12/02/2006 9:22:35 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Dark Skies

Ah yes, instead of the world listenign to the commanderso n the ground IN Iraq, they'll wait till Condi- the brilliant 'war strategist'- is out of office to see what she has to say about the WOT. Cripes- Don't trust the commanders- but wait for someone FAR removed from the action to obliviate hteir biased opinion instead- BRILLIANT! http://sacredscoop.com


25 posted on 12/02/2006 9:24:27 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Dark Skies
I was once a real Condi fan. But now I look for to seeing her return to Stanford.

I feel the same way.

Condi had great aptitude for the job.
But it is apparent now she doesn't have the ability. - Tom

26 posted on 12/02/2006 9:25:06 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom

That's the danger of electing people before really getting to know them- I too was thinking she'd make a sensible elected official- whether president or or whatever, but now, her real beleifs are starting to surface, and we're learning - like with powell - that they aren't fit for office. (like probably 1/2 to 2/3 of those in congress whom we later learned weren't as good as we thought in the beginning & probably like obama, who everyone is glomming on to right now as the up and comming 'rock star of politics', or like even rudy guiliany) People tend to look at the surface & see th4m as polished, but under neath- they really aint- it's all smokescreens


27 posted on 12/02/2006 9:31:32 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Dark Skies
I think it is unforgivable that this administration has made mistakes in this war! After all, there have never been any mistakes made in any war that the US has been involved in up until now!

Therefore, we should now call for the resignation of the Commander in Chief and the Vice President in the new year so that the level headed and perfect person who never has and never will make any mistakes, Nancy Pelosi, can become the supreme ruler of the planet.

(By the way, I am being sarcastic here, there is no need for a Zot.)

28 posted on 12/02/2006 9:41:08 AM PST by R_Kangel ("Please insert witty tag-line here")
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To: Capt. Tom
Condi had great aptitude for the job. But it is apparent now she doesn't have the ability.

Yeah, well, maybe she'll run for POTUS. Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.....not.

FMCDH(BITS)

29 posted on 12/02/2006 9:41:15 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Dark Skies
"It is unfortunate that the efforts of mankind to recover the freedom of which they have been so long deprived, will be accompanied with violence, with errors, and even with crimes. But while we weep over the means, we must pray for the end."

--Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795

30 posted on 12/02/2006 9:44:37 AM PST by avacado
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To: Dark Skies
Mistakes are a part of war as they are a part of life. The problem isn't the mistakes. The problem is what is being done about those mistakes. That is where the Administration and military brass are failing. For some reason they have been frozen into inaction and passivity.

Consider the aftermath of 9/11. The Administration (but not they alone certainly) were culpable for not taking the al-Qaeda seriously enough before. But *afterward* they produced a multifaceted and effective strategy for dealing with the threat.

Contrast this with the situation in Iraq for the last year. Obviously what we're doing is not achieving the goal, but nothing has been done, nothing changed, even though it is clear, to me and others, what needs to be done. Worse, they are not even following through on the post 9/11 strategy of engaging foreign state sponsors of terrorism. What direct action have we taken against Iran and Syria for example?

31 posted on 12/02/2006 9:57:01 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: Dark Skies

Brilliant observation..........ugh


32 posted on 12/02/2006 10:01:28 AM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: Perdogg
Just think. We got to Baghdad before they could set the oil fields on fire. Before they could poison the water. Before they could blast the bridges into the water.

We didn't stop and fight them all along the way so there were might few fatalities on our side.

All this hysteria over looters...FGS!

It was a brilliant plan that worked flawlessly.

Now it will take time to pacify those who want revenge, those who fear freedom of thought. They're still killing each other in Kosovo, Russia, Chechnya, Ireland, Bosnia........etc.

33 posted on 12/02/2006 10:05:35 AM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: R_Kangel

Academics and liberal talk show hosts NEVER make mistakes!

They always give themselves A++ and write "excellent" and "brilliant," in the margins of their own scripts with red ink.

However, everybody else. would act differently, if they knew then, what they know now -- because they do not have perfect knowledge to begin with that is unvarying even until the end of time.

Hosannas to the academics and liberal talk show hosts as we enter this season of celebration of the birth of their perfect selves.

Glory be to God, for the holy of holies like Helen Thomas -- the most perfect of virgins, and her own begotten son, Chris Matthews.

All hail the perfect ones in the media. Bow on your knees; they will deliver us from all manner of imperfections and deliver us into the kingdom where they are God.


34 posted on 12/02/2006 10:32:24 AM PST by MikeHu
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To: Howlin

The sooner he is arrested the better it will be for us and the Iraqis


35 posted on 12/02/2006 11:02:59 AM PST by Kaslin (Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers. Rosie O'Donnell November 9, 2006)
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To: Dark Skies

Anyone have a canidate for a perfectly executed war?
All wars mistakes are made.

Whats that old saying? if something like 20% of your battle plan actually happens you will win.


36 posted on 12/02/2006 11:31:34 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: section9
Sycophants- Rice is a genius and her plans and actions are brilliant.

Critics- Rice is making mistake after mistake leading to the current mess.

Sycophants- You're just bashers who can not appreciate Rice's brilliant stratigic thinking. And she plays the piano.

Rice- We made mistakes

Sycophants- Rice is a genius and brilliant for admitting that she made mistakes.

Critics- What has she done that has not turned out to be a mistake and damaging to the US?

Rice- I will write about the mistakes when I'm out of office.

Sycophants- What class. Meanwhile carry on with your brilliant strategies.

Critics- You can't make this stuff up. Comedy and tragedy simultaneously.

Sycophants- Rice for President.

37 posted on 12/02/2006 12:16:56 PM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: Dark Skies

Condi Rice ,Go to Hell .Better yet go back to harvard NOW


38 posted on 12/02/2006 12:28:57 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: Paloma_55
I know that in my job, I have made mistakes. In the middle of fighting an issue is not the time to do a review though. I see nothing wrong with reviewing after the fact to see how you might have done it differently, if the objective is to improve the way it is done in the future.

Amazing, inn't it, this insistence from the Disloyal Opposition that the Administration admit to mistakes while the conflict is still raging!

Anyone who's ever been involved in a large project -- in my case, software development -- understands that things NEVER go as originally planned and there's always something you could have done differently. And software is a lot simpler than War.

Idiots.

39 posted on 12/02/2006 12:35:33 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: Natural Law

Good Ike quote and a good illustration as to why he wisely avoided sending troops to French Indo China in 1954.


40 posted on 12/02/2006 12:37:36 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Of course, mistakes have been made in any war but that doesn't excuse the dire mess in Iraq. Defenders of the war have to make a stronger case than this "all wars have mistakes" cop-out! Saying "mistakes were made" reminds me of those who excuse made by those who try to ratioanlize the failures of the war on poverty.


41 posted on 12/02/2006 12:42:15 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright

My personal take is the mistakes made were not killing or arresting people like Sadr long ago.
Going into Iraq far too late after telegraphing our punch for months. Worrying too much about what the Iraqis, French and UN will think of us if we blow a mosque filled with terrorists to bits. Not being strong enough against Iran and Syria helping the terrorists and various islamic wackos.


The mixed results of modern warfares attempts at civilizing warfare is something I do not quite entirely grasp.

I agree with why we are there, I agree that success is possible and indeed likely in time.

I just think if more people running the war asked "What would Patton do?", we would be much farther along toward our goals in the region.



42 posted on 12/02/2006 1:30:57 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Dark Skies

President Bush has failed to be the first person in world history to run a mistake free war. Therefore he must be impeached. /sarcasm


43 posted on 12/02/2006 2:38:09 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Dark Skies

I had high hopes for her, but no more.

She turned out to be another RINO.


44 posted on 12/02/2006 2:43:35 PM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: Dark Skies; La Enchiladita

Thanks for posting the article, DS.

I don't understand why she is focused on mistakes at this time. The administration needs to look strong to the enemy, as well as our allies - not weak, imho.


45 posted on 12/02/2006 4:24:08 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

Thanks for the ping, Pepper. I think I saw this quote elsewhere and kind of flinched when I did. It's a general kind of statement true of any war, but I don't understand her need to say so.

Her academic detachment is showing, IMO.


46 posted on 12/02/2006 8:25:48 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: Dark Skies
"As to whether the United States has made mistakes: of course, I'm sure we have," Rice told interviewer Saad Sillawi of the Arabic satellite television station Al-Arabiya. "You can't be involved in something as big as the liberation of a country like Iraq, and all that has happened since, and I'm sure there are things that we could have done differently."

It's called 'war', and of course mistakes are made. What is untrue about her statement?

...on the other hand liberals never make mistakes. Never.

47 posted on 12/02/2006 8:31:48 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Dark Skies

....and some are ready to hang her. Sheesh.


48 posted on 12/02/2006 8:32:25 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: Dark Skies

The mistakes were made by the bureaucrats. Not much could be done by the Administration. The mistake is not limiting government.


49 posted on 12/02/2006 8:33:28 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: MikeHu

Thank you. You saved me some typing.


50 posted on 12/02/2006 8:34:37 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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