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Joe was Right
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 12/2/2006 | Do the Dhue

Posted on 12/02/2006 9:39:12 AM PST by do the dhue

If you read this, you need a lot of time.

OK folks. After this you are going to think I am nuts. My reply will be the same reply that Major General McCauliffe gave the Germans at Bastogne: NUTS!! Right back at you.

I had a teacher in High School. He was a good teacher and I liked him a lot. One day we got into an debate. He told the class that if you had a continuum with Communism on the left and Capitalism on the right and Socialism in the middle, he said that Communism and Capitalism is slowly moving towards each other. I argued that we (America, the good ol' US of A), would never turn Socialist. Not without a fight, I told Schmidt. This was in 1984. Before the fall of the Soviet Empire and before OUR Government was allowed to come into YOUR HOME and tell YOU how to raise your kid.

The list does not stop at spankin' kids (spankin's are necessary, not cruel). The list continues with the attack is on Guns, babies, and God. It comes from Hollywood, hippies (the communal crowd)the Judicial Branch, the Media, College Professors, and one of our Political Parties and the likes of the ACLU and more. Who funds them? What is their agenda? How are they going to attack again? And what can I do to stop them?

For years I asked questions like this. I looked at every conspiracy theory and had all different kinds of dreamy ideas. I am now fully convinced that I understand what is going on in darkness. I used to look in the dark for the answer. The answer is in the light. Christ has it all under control. All things done in darkness will be revealed one day. When Christ unveils these things, I think we are going to learn this:

When I was at a University in Indiana and I was studying hard trying to figure all this out. Why was my country moving towards Socialism? I had a theory going that frankly, pist a lot of people off. My theory was erroneous and I do not wish to get into the error. I met a fellow and he told me to go and talk to this man in Hagerstown, Indiana. I was told that he could explain what is going on. Well, I went there. I drove up to the address and there was a long drive way. Just past a tall Flag pole about fifty yards off the road there sat a big white house with big ol' pillars. The place was impressive for one who spent a lot of time as a trailer rat.

Well, I knocked and a tall, slightly built, slightly over weight man answered the door. Frankly, I had wondered if he had ever bathed. We sat down in his den. Big American eagles all around with a very nice library of books. And pictures of our founding fathers. He showed me books and items that came from the day. He showed me 'Common Sense', which was written by Thomas Paine. Paine spurred on our Revolution with that book. He had a large desk that sat in front of a big picture window. I sat down in front of the desk. When I looked at him I was looking at his gorgeously green back yard thru the window. Well, we talked a bit. He told me that he had a book and he said that he trusted me to return it. He said he wanted it back because it is banned. He said that when I get done with it, I would have a better understanding.

I read the book and gave it back. The book was written by a Chec defector from the Soviet Iron Curtain. The book was written in the early 1960's. The defector said that the Commies would take over our media, Hollywood, University's, Political Party(s), Judicial Branch, and they would set up and already had set up institutions that will chip away at our laws (see the likes of the ACLU). They would slowly buy our politicians and slowly change our laws. If they do it right, the American people won't even know it. The people won't feel it because it won't be an immediate impact. The commies would change our laws without a shot being fired. And that is the title of the book, 'and not a shot was fired'.

Well, I went and looked at this for a long time. I know the short cuts and you can start here, if you choose: http://www.cpusa.org/ this is the American Communist Party.

Wikipedia states the following:

The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States. For approximately the first half of the 20th century, it was the largest and most widely influential communist party in the country, and played a defining role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Communist_Party

On wiki it is stated the American Socialist Party (there are better places besides wiki for this data too, but go look it up for yourself, so you can decide):

The Socialist Propaganda League of America was established in 1915, apparently by C.W. Fitzgerald of Beverly, Massachusetts.

As a membership organization within the ranks of the Socialist Party of America, the Socialist Propaganda League was the direct lineal antecedent of the Left Wing Section of the Socialist Party and its governing National Council - the forerunner of the American Communist movement.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Propaganda_League_of_America

Now, remember Joe McCarthy and McCarthyism? Well, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Wiki says: McCarthyism is the term describing a period of intense anti-Communist suspicion in the United States that lasted roughly from the late 1940s to the late 1950s. The term derives from U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, a Republican of Wisconsin. The period of McCarthyism is also referred to as the Second Red Scare, and coincided with a period of increased fears of Communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents.

They dug up all of Joe's past and threw it in a court room in front of the world and discredited Joe. Nobody did anything about the Commie SOBs. Some got busted like Alger Hiss and a couple of others, but for the most part, it was and still is business as usual.

Now, go check this out:

The following is a project run my the MI6 (British Intel) and our CIA. We gathered every piece of data the Soviet sent from their embassy in NY to Moscow.

The project name: VENONA PROJECT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

Here are a couple more sites I liked that refer to the VENONA Project: http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2539.html

and

http://www.the-patriot-s-voice.com/id65.html

The above is on Venona and McCarthy. I am not the only one saying this: McCarthy was right.

Hint: When researching VENONA Project, always look for it in capital letters. This was the only way the MI6 and CIA used it. Others who just talk about the Venona project generally do not use caps. So, if someone says they have the Venona project listed on their web site and it is not in CAPS, it is not the authentic VENONA Project.

Now, all things done in darkness will be revealed right? Look around you, liberal atheist are successfully removing God from public view. When did it become a crime to say a prayer in school, or the pledge of allegiance, or when did it become a crime for a kid to sing a Christmas carol? When did it become a crime to put a manger scene up so we can celebrate the true meaning of Christmas? Answer: ever since the Commies in the ACLU have been trying to remove God from public view.

Look in the light and you will see it. It's all around you: Commies assaulting your right to own a gun. Commies assaulting your right to exercise your Religion (peacefully, you Islamofool). Commies assaulting your right to raise your child. Commies taking money from those who earned it so they can give it to those who did not earn it. Commies assualting our unborn babies. Commies in the media like Dan Rather, the entire New York Times, ABC, CBS and let's not forget about the Communist News Network- CNN. Commies in Hollywood producing rude and crude movies. Commies in the Judicial Branch who legislate from the bench. It is revealed. We are moving closer to Socialism every day.

Remember My High School teacher? I promised there would be a fight. I am not going to call in a Air Strike, yet, but I will help those like the ACLJ who are fighting the likes of the ACLU. It is important. More important then you can imagine.

Like I said, when I get done, you are going to think I am nuts. Well, 'NUTS?, you will see'.

If you read all this, thanks for listening. I really don't know (I only have a theroy). I suggest you go look this stuff up for yourself. But I am stickin' to my guns and I am ready to walk into the lions and den and let out a big ol' roar. I don't want to back into this street fight, I am ready to do battle now. We need to wake folks up and shake them up. We need to protect our rights. You see your First and Second Amendment have been under attack. Go look at those web pages, I sent you. There are people out there wanting to change the greatest system ever set up.

We need to expose them. Let's push these issues on the Demorats. Make them vote, so they have to show their true colors. Call them out for what they are. Commie bastards. And if they don't like being called Commies, don't give me a dang reason to do so.

Thanks again, Do the Dhue


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: capitalism; cocialism; communism; mccarthyism; socialsim
NUTS!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 12/02/2006 9:39:17 AM PST by do the dhue
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To: do the dhue

Two books that explicate your thesis in far greater detail are The Venona Papers(I think that was the name, and Venona does not have to be in all caps) and Treason by Ann Coulter. Ann described quite clearly how right Joe McCarthy was, and it is a pity that people like Eisenhower participated in the commie takedown of ol' Joe.


2 posted on 12/02/2006 10:11:24 AM PST by Defiant (Dems don't want to lose Iraq, they just want Hillary to win it and then fly onto a carrier.)
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To: Defiant
No, when folks talk about it, it don't have to be caps, but when the MI6 and CIA mentions it, they always used caps. That is what I learned. I read Ann's book and I loved it. Also, I am going to get the Venona Secrets and I will check into the Venona Papers. Thanks,
3 posted on 12/02/2006 10:15:27 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue

I wish more people than you and I could figure this out. I will be dead if communism wins because I will not give up my SRARS and STRIPES, that is flying over my AMERICA. Also I am not saying I would die before this happens because I will not give AMERICA up without a fight. I'm not just saying words, TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY AMERICA FROM ME.


4 posted on 12/02/2006 10:17:36 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: JOE43270
TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY AMERICA FROM ME.

HEAR HEAR!!!

They'll take my America, when they pull my body from a large pile of empty brass.
5 posted on 12/02/2006 10:26:26 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: JOE43270
One more thing and it came from General Patton:

No dumb bastard won a war by fighting and dying for his country. You fight and make the other dumb bastard die for his.





6 posted on 12/02/2006 10:33:44 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue

Cool! Where can I get a larger version of "Treason's Greetings" ?


7 posted on 12/02/2006 10:39:38 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Defiant
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/133386 I love this place!
8 posted on 12/02/2006 10:41:11 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: PLMerite; Defiant
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingstuff/133386 I love this place!


I posted to the wrong person above. Sorry about that.
9 posted on 12/02/2006 10:43:06 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue
he said that Communism and Capitalism is slowly moving towards each other.

I know it's picky. But an article from The INTELLECTUAL Conservative should not contain the following phrase, "he said that Communism and Capitalism is slowly moving towards each other."

10 posted on 12/02/2006 10:44:34 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: PLMerite
the site is
11 posted on 12/02/2006 10:45:12 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: ModelBreaker
I am sorry, you may have misunderstood. I used the article as a reference. Maybe I should not have. That was my HS teacher who said this. I wrote the post.
12 posted on 12/02/2006 10:46:25 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue

Our Government and our courts are already Socialism. Thank God we are not.


13 posted on 12/02/2006 10:47:32 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: do the dhue

I agree with General Patton and You. I want the enemy to die for his country and I will try to make that happen. If I end up dying for America and turning into the dumb bastard, You better keep on fighting.


14 posted on 12/02/2006 10:53:03 AM PST by JOE43270 (`)
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To: do the dhue

Does Hillary re3all agree? Nuts, I mean...Jake


15 posted on 12/02/2006 10:53:55 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: fish hawk
That's just it. Joe McCarthy was right when he said Alger Hiss (who was a high ranking Government official, I believe to the UN at the time) was Commie. They have been there for a long time. Go look at how long the American Communist Party has existed.


16 posted on 12/02/2006 10:59:15 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: JOE43270
As long as this warrior lives, he will fight on. And a true warrior will always fight to live another day. When you dead, you no longer a warrior. We can fight this through voting the Commies out. By putting pressure on our party to act like Conservatives. We can help fund organizations who are fighting the Commies like the ACLU. If they come for your gun, just squeeze the trigger. Until then, try to live so you can fight another day. :-)




17 posted on 12/02/2006 11:07:07 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue

Bump


18 posted on 12/02/2006 11:10:29 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: do the dhue

Hey Joe was wrong. He underestimated the number of Communists in government.


19 posted on 12/02/2006 11:11:18 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: do the dhue

I know there was a list at dsa.org that had a large number of Demoncrats as associates of the organization. I believe they took it down, or hid it from view.


20 posted on 12/02/2006 11:11:25 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: do the dhue
[ He told the class that if you had a continuum with Communism on the left and Capitalism on the right and Socialism in the middle, he said that Communism and Capitalism is slowly moving towards each other. ]

COMMUNISM .. "IS" SOCIALISM... This comment makes zero sense..
And shows the author knows nothing about communism or socialism..

Socialism is but a symptom of democracy.. Democracy causes socialism and ultimately communism if allowed to mature..

Socialism is Slavery by Government.. A FACT far above Canadian and European(and American democrat) minds to absorb.. Pity..

21 posted on 12/02/2006 11:23:10 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: hosepipe
true that Communism is Socialism derived from Carl Marx's view. But put on a continuum, Communism falls to the left of Socialism and Capitalism falls to the right of Socialism.
22 posted on 12/02/2006 11:45:19 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: ex-snook
LOL


23 posted on 12/02/2006 11:47:25 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: Thumper1960
would like to see that.
24 posted on 12/02/2006 11:47:57 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue
[ true that Communism is Socialism derived from Carl Marx's view. But put on a continuum, Communism falls to the left of Socialism and Capitalism falls to the right of Socialism. ]

Whats NOT mentioned is the Capitalization of Socialism or the Socialization of Capitalism.. like whats happening in China, Europe, and the United States..

In the U.S.A. (SSA) Social Security is pure socialism.. and most Americans would gouge out their eyes before re-thinking it..

Socialism is "Slavery by Government" exactly and implicitly.. With the slaves voting to enslave themselves..

America was not designed to be a democracy, it was designed to be a Republic, exactly for that reason..

25 posted on 12/02/2006 12:00:12 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: do the dhue
DSA-Demoncrat Party incest
26 posted on 12/02/2006 12:03:13 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: hosepipe
What you are saying is exactly what my teacher said in 1984.

He said that Communism was moving closer to Socialism and Capitalism was moving closer to Socialism. He augured that it would not just be in America. And that was in 84. Like you said, you see it in China, Europe, even here in the US. And like Joe said in the 40s, Commies were here. I think the 1930s was when Social Security was set up. That is how long they have been here, spewing their ideals. Check the American Commie web page and see how long they have been established here.

And you are exactly right about being a Republic.
27 posted on 12/02/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: Thumper1960
Formed in 1983 during the Cold War by merging splinter factions of the Socialist movement, DSA brought together what it calls "former Socialists and Communists, former old leftists and new leftists, and many who had never been leftists at all." In its early years, DSA supported the Soviet-backed nuclear freeze program that would have consolidated Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe - under the banner of promoting "peace."

Am I crazy, or are these people a National Security threat?
28 posted on 12/02/2006 12:14:06 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: Thumper1960
DSA seeks to increase its political influence not by establishing its own party, but rather by working closely with the Democratic Party to promote leftist agendas. "Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party," says DSA. "We work with those movements to strengthen the party's left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus. ... Maybe sometime in the future ... an alternative national party will be viable. For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats."

I believe this to be true. The Demorats are evil Commie pigs and should be tried for treason.


29 posted on 12/02/2006 12:23:11 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: hosepipe
Here is another one. India used to be back by the Former Soviet Union. Now, a lot of our jobs are going to India. India is moving away from the old way.
30 posted on 12/02/2006 12:28:17 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: Thumper1960
The following site has a list of names, I don't know when the list was published:

http://www.sovereignty.net/center/socialists.htm


Congressional Members of the
Progressive Caucus

Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-07)
Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL)
Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-02)
Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-06)
Rep George Miller (CA-07)
Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-08)
Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13)
Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29)
Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-30)
Rep Julian C. Dixon (CA-32)
Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34)
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Rep George E. Brown (CA-42)
Rep Bob Filner (CA-50)
Rep Diane DeGette (CO-01)
Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL)
Rep Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Rep Carrie P. Meek (FL-17)
Rep Alcee L. Hastings (FL-23)
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04)
Rep John Lewis (GA-05)
Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
Rep Patsy Mink (HI-02)
Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-02)
Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Rep Danny Davis (IL-07)
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17)
Rep Julia Carson (IN-10)
Rep John Olver (MA-01)
Rep Jim McGovern (MA-03)
Rep Barney Frank (MA-04)
Rep John Tierney (MA-06)
Rep David Bonior (MI-10)
Rep Lynn N. Rivers (MI-13)
Rep John Conyers (MI-14)
Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02)
Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12)
Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Rep Major Owens (NY-11)
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12)
Rep Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26)
Rep John LaFalce (NY-29)
Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11)
Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13)
Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01)
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04)
Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Rep William Coyne (PA-14)
Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL)
Rep Robert C. Scott (VA-03)
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL)
Rep James A. McDermott (WA-07)
31 posted on 12/02/2006 12:36:12 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue

Reading Whitaker Chambers "Witness" is also a help


32 posted on 12/02/2006 12:57:42 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer
Thanks, I'll check it out.


33 posted on 12/02/2006 1:03:44 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue
Back in the late '70's-early '80's, when I was more familiar with the radical Left, there were so many unionists and Demoncrats involved in certain programs and protests that it was hard to really know what the very Liberal Demoncrats were: just liberals or dyed in the wool Socialists.

I am certain that today there are very radical elements of the Communist/Socialist movements heavily involved in programs and policies that the Demoncrat Party is pursuing.I am convinced that the recognized Demoncrat Party members who are either in, or closely allied with, the so-called Progressive Caucus (PC) are dancing on the very edge of subversion and treason to the government and Constitution of the US.

I knew I had seen the list displayed prominently on the DSA website some time ago. The fact that so many found out about the connections and the pulling of the open link shows me that the "PC" wishes to remain in the shadows as to what beliefs and agendas they really harbor.

34 posted on 12/02/2006 8:59:07 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: do the dhue

First Joe McCarthy was a FDR Rat He only switched parties to get elected. That being said:

Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/622675/posts


35 posted on 12/03/2006 1:17:23 AM PST by quietolong
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To: do the dhue

"If they come for your gun, just squeeze the trigger."

That is just what I will do though not on myself. Those that come after my weapons will have to do that.


36 posted on 12/03/2006 8:10:26 AM PST by JOE43270 (`)
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To: quietolong; Thumper1960
I just saw on FOXNews that Briton is riddled with Russian spies right now. They said there are more spies there now then there were during the Cold War.

I don't believe the Cold War to be dead. These people are still active. McCarthy said the CPUSA was under complete control of Moscow. I believe they are still loyal to the Commies in Moscow. I am sure they are not loyal to our Conservative way of life.

Yes, I believe think Moscow has influenced and/or infiltrated our parts of our Media, some University, parts of the Judicial Branch, one of our Political Party's, and almost all of Commiewood.
37 posted on 12/03/2006 8:15:49 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: PLMerite

I wish, for clinton's impeachment, we'd had a different take: "Treason's the Reason."


38 posted on 12/03/2006 8:17:47 AM PST by bannie
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To: do the dhue

The problem with McCarthy was the "list of names" in his pocket thing. It was a bluff, he didn't have the list. He was like a runaway prosecutor who knew the defendent was guilty, but didn't have the facts to back him up. Do you cheer the prosecutor for knowing the guy was guilty, or do you blame him for his behavior in trying to prove his case without all the foundation. That is what historians will decide.


39 posted on 12/03/2006 8:20:37 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: bannie
How about this take?

It's the Treason, stupid!
40 posted on 12/03/2006 8:43:47 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: dogbyte12
Didn't Venona identify some of those that McCarthy identified?
41 posted on 12/03/2006 8:44:57 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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To: do the dhue
Much more appropriate when you consider the treasonous bastard whom we impeached.

:-)
42 posted on 12/03/2006 8:49:55 AM PST by bannie
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To: do the dhue

Socialist? Never. Individualist? Always.


43 posted on 12/03/2006 8:51:43 AM PST by Porterville (Fight without rules. Fight until only one side stands.)
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To: do the dhue
(Sorry if I'm just restating the obvious here, but...)

The socialism becomes capitalist / capitalism becomes socialist circle goes way farther back than '84. I heard the same thing in '62.

The basis is/was that neither system can operate in pure form.

Capitalism itself does not address what we know as humanitarian issues - so some form of socialism gets grafted into the mix to accommodate those who cannot compete. Then there are public works, disasters, and wars to be fought and paid for. Eventually the guilds and crafts associations metastasize into unions...
Socialist ideals might work fine for a tribe of about a dozen people, early Christians and the Puritans tried it. Eventually it fails, in part because no one is motivated except those who direct and manage the 'equality'. Orwell did that part. It also fails because of the need to generate assets within the group and from without.
(In the most socialist of societies there will always be capitalists at work selling any excess they can produce - and hide - for whatever extras another capitalist has to sell.)
Eventually - some form of capitalism gets grafted into the mix and suddenly China wants to sell cars in the USA.

Socialism, unlike Capitalism, does pretend to have an answer for both governmental and personal needs, from each according to...etc.
That makes it comforting to many people on the bottom.
And, because they don't truly believe that it will apply to them, it also appeals to self defined intellectuals and people who are or think they are the elite.
A lot of people over the last century (+) thought it was a good idea until they found themselves living with it.

The lesson was that pure ideology on either end won't work.

Generally omitted from that lesson has been the fact that your professor probably held himself to be one of those elites who would somehow be 'more equal than other animals' within a socialist system.

44 posted on 12/03/2006 9:43:09 AM PST by norton
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Excellent example and I truly understand.

But out of all this, why does a child's right to sing a Christmas Carol matter to the Socialist? Why is it important to remove a Manger scene from public view? Why do gays have to come into my God's House and commit an act that my God says is wrong (gay marriage)? I have never gone to San Fran and pist on their little parades. Why is my culture at war?

Why are the commies trying to change all that is good about America?
45 posted on 12/03/2006 12:37:42 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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same reason they rooted up temples and cemetaries in China: remove the competing ideologies and leave only the state intact to 'support the masses'.


46 posted on 12/03/2006 12:44:05 PM PST by norton
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yep


47 posted on 12/03/2006 3:38:47 PM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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Facts that emerged after the Moscow Spring, in opened KGB files, revealed to some extent the infiltration of US organizations and government by Moscow. Of course, the CPUSA was funded by Moscow. Everyone knew that. The elite, however, chose to sugar coat the despicable Stalinist regime and gloss over the atrocities perpetrated on the peoples of Asia and Eastern Europe. A system as entrenched as Communism is in Russia does not die "overnight". It took a nap. It's awakening.
48 posted on 12/04/2006 6:18:30 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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49 posted on 12/07/2006 7:18:30 AM PST by do the dhue (How come the Demorats have not fixed Iraq yet? They're inept!! Vote 'em out!!)
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