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Terri's Story
Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation ^ | December 3,2006 | Schindler Foundation

Posted on 12/03/2006 3:03:26 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: bjs1779

Pass me whatever you are smoking.


151 posted on 12/04/2006 6:25:22 PM PST by hodaka
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To: T'wit

Twit, who are you to say what question is relevant, or irrelevant?


152 posted on 12/04/2006 6:31:05 PM PST by hodaka
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To: RGSpincich
If you really need another memorial thread about Terri, I suggest you post a vanity or link an article from a website that does not solicit donations for the Schindlers. Monetary issues are relevant. This seemingly heartfelt article is nothing more than attempt to solicit donations by the Schindlers.

I guess Jim Rob could of pulled it. BTW, I didn't post it. Do you want to complain to him?

153 posted on 12/04/2006 6:35:36 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
Do you want to complain to him?

Actually I'm happy to discuss the situation relating to the Schindler's solicitations.

154 posted on 12/04/2006 6:45:54 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich; Jim Robinson
Actually I'm happy to discuss the situation relating to the Schindler's solicitations.

Have fun.

155 posted on 12/04/2006 6:51:18 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: hodaka
>> Twit, who are you to say what question is relevant, or irrelevant?

Just little ol' me, Hadook.

You could figure it out too. The Schindlers' finances did not affect the legal issues or the long courtroom struggle in any way. Therefore, they were irrelevant. See how easy this is?

156 posted on 12/04/2006 10:25:57 PM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: hodaka
>> I was asking a question because I heard that they sold the list of donors to some firm.

Nothing wrong with that. It's routine practice in the direct mail advertising business for firms or brokers to buy, rent and sell lists of donors or other specified groups. A conservative from Texas, Richard Viguerie, developed the practice in the 1960s and was the first to computerize lists of political donors. It helped get Ronald Reagan elected not many years later.

157 posted on 12/04/2006 10:40:58 PM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: RGSpincich
>> Thousands of unsuspecting donors' [I guess they are all really stupid, eh?] personal contact information [usually called "addresses"] was sold and rented out. In addition to one time use fees, they found a way to charge advertisers/fundraisers by the month to use the information.

Glad to hear it. It was the smart thing for the Schindlers to do. It is perfectly legal and ethical business practice, used every day in the ad business. Yes, of course the lists are rented out from time to time. That is how you make money in the rental trade.

158 posted on 12/04/2006 11:01:34 PM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: RGSpincich
>> This seemingly heartfelt article is nothing more than attempt to solicit donations by the Schindlers.

THIS THREAD commemorates Terri Schiavo's 43rd birthday. It is not posted to solicit money. It is here to publish tributes to a young woman who was unjustly put to death but whose courage changed many lives.

Below is a tribute specially written for Free Republic by Msgr. Malanowski, who was at Terri's bedside many times over the years and who was with her almost to the moment she died. (I take the liberty of reposting it from #69)

A Tribute

We are all born for heaven. The birth of Jesus on which we focus during Advent, reminds us of our eternal birth into everlasting happiness when we complete our journey on earth. Terri Schindler-Schiavo has shown us the way to our heavenly home by her heroic life of love and sacrifice. Terri, lovingly and tenderly is waiting for the way when, we, too, will enter the doorway of our eternal home and share with her the peace and joy which the birth of Jesus promises by His Coming on earth.

May our Christmas holy days, 2006, fulfill for our human and spiritual desires and be grateful for the life and memory of Terri Schindler as she celebrates her second birthday (12/3) in heaven. Terri has taught us how to love perfectly- the gift of life.

A Blessed Christmas to all -- filled with many Graces and Blessings! A Happy and Healthy New Year!

Monsignor Thaddeus F. Malanowski

159 posted on 12/04/2006 11:30:02 PM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: BykrBayb; 8mmMauser
BykrBayb, I couldn't be here for long this morning, so I'm just now getting to this moving tribute you wrote for Terri. Wow! It's beautiful and so expressive.

Sophie Scholl and Terri were both deprived of most of their natural lives. I like to think Sophie was there to welcome Terri. The Nazis killed her when she was only 21. But they couldn't break her. "You'll be on trial next," she told them, and they were. Today Sophie is commemorated everywhere in Germany. There are more than 100 schools named for her. She is triumphant in life and death alike. I hope she and Terri are both there to welcome you and me and all of their friends here below :-)

160 posted on 12/05/2006 12:02:28 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...

A tribute of my own...

Perhaps, it is more of a compendium of what others have done. This thread being a tribute to Terri on her birthday and in this season of Christmas, I remind if you have not seen it yet, to review the words written by Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, Terri's priest, which are repeated just above in T'wit's post #159. This special letter was written by Monsignor to us for our thread.

I would love to extoll the virtues and accomplishments of this great priest who courageously stared death in the face, but others can do a far better job than I.

It is no surprise that detractors would arrive on this thread in hopes of disrupting and changing its direction. They have flailed against us many times in the past both here and from the far left in the media as they continued their struggle to mimimize the effect Terri's Legacy. The redoubled efforts of the far left during the recent elections, for those who notice, saturated the media with attempts to neutralize that legacy. For that legacy has dulled their efforts to make euthanasia acceptable. Monsignor saw the same faces at Pinellas Park and would recognize them here and in the media as well.

At Pinellas Park, the few detractors did what they could to derail attention, to aggravate, and disrupt, but it didn't succeed there as they found themselves surrounded by a greater force of good will. I am sure Monsignor would invite us to look beyond those same types clamoring to gag us here and in the media and to focus on the Gift brought by Terri to us all of good will.

It is a thankless job if we expect material reward on earth as some would have us believe. Our thanks here on earth is more likely to come in the form of attacks on our senses, and effort to break down our resolve. But Monsignor would have us look beyond that.

I invite you all to read the tribute by Bykrbayb on #45. In it, she reminds us of Sophie Scholl, a role model for those of us staring in the face of those who would have us dead.

It would be a welcome site for others of Terri's List to post your own tributes.

We are unabashed pro-life conservatives keeping in the spirit of FreeRepublic as we persevere. Terri must be watching from above as we confront those forces who assaulted her as we continue.

I would hope for Terri to smile on our efforts and see that we not squander her great Gift.

8mm


161 posted on 12/05/2006 3:36:15 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All; floriduh voter
FV offers this link to videos of Terri. The link itself is full of other related topics of interest as well.

Terri videos

8mm

162 posted on 12/05/2006 3:42:17 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All; floriduh voter
Here is another FV link to Father Frank Pavone who fought tireless for Terri.

Father Pavone

8mm

163 posted on 12/05/2006 3:44:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All; Salvation
Ping to a thread by Salvation on the season of Advent, now upon especially those of us who are Catholic and Christian...

Advent: the Reason for the Season

8mm

164 posted on 12/05/2006 3:52:45 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: 8mmMauser
Look what's out in DVD! I am not hustling for this particular merchant, who happened to be at hand (courtesy of a googling). I DO recommend seeing this movie. It is absolutely stunning. Julia Jentsch, as Sophie Scholl, is beyond praise.

Sophie Scholl: The Final Days

165 posted on 12/05/2006 4:12:12 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit; BykrBayb; bjs1779

Great news. I had been waiting for it to come out in DVD and now it has!


166 posted on 12/05/2006 4:20:04 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: Nextrush
In Hillsdale Michigan several years ago Dave Davis poisoned his wife with a strong muscle relaxant by needle. He said she fell off her horse and struck her head and died. The parents never bought the story. A California pathologist discovered a way to prove the medication, which breaks down within minutes, had been administered. Davis was brought back from some foreign country and tried. He is serving life in prison here.

The incident of Terri Shivo and Davis wife having heart stoppage for several minutes has a strange similarity. You can find Davis at Michigan OTIS, then look up his name.
167 posted on 12/05/2006 4:27:13 AM PST by healy61
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To: T'wit
It is perfectly legal and ethical business practice, used every day in the ad business.

You agree with the Schindlers then, Terri's death is something to be traded on.

168 posted on 12/05/2006 4:40:38 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: healy61

Not to butt in , but this case you are talking about was on Forensic Files some time ago. The drug was aceytal choline if I remember. Might be a good comparison. I think the drug was available to him because it was used for the horses.


169 posted on 12/05/2006 4:41:36 AM PST by dforest
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To: T'wit

You might not have a problem with them selling the list of names. IMO I think it was a lousy thing to do.


170 posted on 12/05/2006 5:22:47 AM PST by hodaka
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To: hodaka
>> IMO I think it was a lousy thing to do.

I don't. There's nothing wrong with it. It's standard practice. Are you just objecting because you don't like the Schindlers?

171 posted on 12/05/2006 6:20:22 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: RGSpincich
>> You agree with the Schindlers then, Terri's death is something to be traded on.

"Traded on"? Don't twist words. The Schindlers were fighting to save Terri's life. For this they deserve nothing but praise, including yours. If it were your daughter, would you consider it "trading" to raise funds to save her? Of course not. Would it be "trading" to raise funds for your daughter's memorial foundation? Of course not. So use the same principle when you speak of the Schindlers.

I hardly need remind you that Michael Schiavo spent nearly half a million dollars of Terri's money to hire lawyers to kill her. The money was taken from funds held in trust for Terri's therapy. The Schindlers had no such treasure. They raised such funds as they could to save Terri's life. It was the right thing to do. It's just too bad that despite their efforts, Terri was put to death.

172 posted on 12/05/2006 6:41:25 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: healy61
>> The incident of Terri Shivo and Davis wife having heart stoppage for several minutes has a strange similarity.

Here is the striking similarity. If Carla Sauer Iyer's sworn testimony be true, Michael tried as many as five times to poison Terri with insulin. Carla, the duty nurse, found Terri hysterical and suffering extreme hypoglycemia after Michael's visits, and had to give her glucose in a hurry. Carla observed needle marks on Terri's body and once found a used insulin ampule in the trash.

These incidents occurred soon after Terri was awarded more than a million dollars for therapy in a malpractice suit. If she had died, Michael would have inherited the money, no strings attached. Does that suggest a motive? :-) Hint: The nurses quoted him often saying things like, "Isn't that b*tch dead yet?" and "I'm gonna be rich!"

Terri's heart stoppage in 1990 is officially unexplained, but we can rule out poisons at that time, I believe. To judge from her bloodwork and other indications, it was something else, most like violence leading to "positional asphyxiation." The victim is in such an awkward physical position, or so squished down, that he or she cannot breathe. If the pressure is not relieved very quickly, the victim goes into cardiac arrest and soon dies.

173 posted on 12/05/2006 7:06:10 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit
If it were your daughter, would you consider it "trading" to raise funds to save her?

Absolutely! What you fail to mention is that all the kind people who already gave are now subjected to any telemarketer who pays the Schindlers' price. Schindlers got the money upfront from the donors to save their daughter, they then sold off the names in an effort to squeeze a little more out of the them. Now that Terri is gone it's pure scam. Seen any tax returns from the Schindlers? Any accounting on the foundation finances?

174 posted on 12/05/2006 7:08:25 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich


Why don't you call Chuckie Schumer, he might have them.


175 posted on 12/05/2006 7:15:53 AM PST by dforest
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To: RGSpincich
> If it were your daughter, would you consider it "trading" to raise funds to save her?

>>Absolutely!

How sad for your daughter.

176 posted on 12/05/2006 7:39:37 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit
How sad for your daughter.

Respecting others even in the face of tragedy is a virtue. Don't feel sad for the hypothetical daughter you have created.

177 posted on 12/05/2006 7:59:05 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Respecting others even in the face of tragedy is a virtue


And that is indeed the virtue that you displayed on this thread for those who care for Terri and her tragedy. I saw a whole lot of respect coming from you. /sarc


178 posted on 12/05/2006 8:07:12 AM PST by dforest
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To: RGSpincich
>> Respecting others even in the face of tragedy is a virtue.

When you apply that standard to the Schindlers, you will begin to understand at last.

179 posted on 12/05/2006 8:21:28 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: indylindy

Look on the bright side. I am not trying to pick your pocket like the Schindlers are.


180 posted on 12/05/2006 8:22:10 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Well , you can look on the bright side as well, it may be a tad chilly around the nation... but there are still a few places left that you can go fly a kite!


181 posted on 12/05/2006 8:28:50 AM PST by dforest
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To: RGSpincich; Admin Moderator
>> I am not trying to pick your pocket like the Schindlers are.

That's enough of your thread-highjacking. And enough libel about the Schindlers, too. Kindly desist.

182 posted on 12/05/2006 8:33:32 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit
it may be a tad chilly around the nation... but there are still a few places left that you can go fly a kite!

LOL. That's pretty good.

183 posted on 12/05/2006 8:42:31 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
>> LOL. That's pretty good.

Then you ought to compliment the person who said it, not me :-)

184 posted on 12/05/2006 8:43:53 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit; indylindy

Ooops. The kite thing was good. I'll give it a try.


185 posted on 12/05/2006 8:47:43 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Bonzer


186 posted on 12/05/2006 8:48:24 AM PST by dforest
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To: floriduh voter

Total baloney. No one is going to cover up a murder because of any belief in euthanasia.

But this is a perfect example of the delusionary thinking driving Terrinauts.


187 posted on 12/05/2006 9:20:48 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: T'wit

Why investigate when jumpting to absurd conclusions is so much easier? Michael killed her. Police investigators covered up the crime. Doctors help kill her. Judges helped kill her. Governors helped kill her. There was a huge interglactic conspiracy which helped kill her.

You guys have ALL the answers. Investigations are futile.


188 posted on 12/05/2006 9:24:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Are you going to answer my question someday? It is premature to call anyone stupid before you yourself have a coherent theory of how Terri was injured. It may be the "Terrinauts" who are wise and you who are stupidly defending a murderer. It depends on what really happened to Terri on February 25, 1990. So tell us what really happened. Let me repeat the question for you:

"... explain to me, please, how a healthy young woman, almost certainly asleep, ended up on the hallway floor, face down, in cardiac arrest and nearly dead, shortly after Michael came home late that Saturday night?

"Your answer has to fit all medical findings including Terri's ER blood testing and the bone scan. Give yourself a bonus if you can explain where and why Michael lied to the police who responded to 911."

You also were going to tell me, quote, "who actually investigated" Terri's injury, and give me their report?

189 posted on 12/05/2006 9:48:05 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> You guys have ALL the answers

I wish we did. The only witness is also the only suspect, and he is far from truthful. Nevertheless, the investigation is ongoing and we do find new pieces of the puzzle now and then. I hope you will join the effort? We'd be glad to get any new facts, or any theories you may have that fit the facts that are already known.

190 posted on 12/05/2006 10:04:33 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: T'wit

The police treated Terri's case as they do other cases. There was no evidence of foul play hence no intensive investigation. People are felled for unknown reasons quite frequently. And they are almost never murdered.

I doubt that Michael "lied" to the police at all. His story may have changed as he considered things or he could have not been accurate initially given the stress of the event. But neither of those involve "lying".


191 posted on 12/05/2006 10:14:24 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: T'wit

I doubt there are any new "facts" to be found. New assumptions, new nonsense do not count as fact.

This is a dead issue except to those obsessed with it.


192 posted on 12/05/2006 10:17:06 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; T'wit
This is a dead issue except to those obsessed with it.

I have a feeling that this reaction is exactly the style that Hitler was hoping for. "It's JUST THE JEWS, why obsess over it?"

193 posted on 12/05/2006 10:20:56 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

"I have a feeling that this reaction is exactly the style that Hitler was hoping for. 'It's JUST THE JEWS, why obsess over it?'"

Oh, Lord. What next?

Perhaps you are not aware that Hitler WANTED people to think of the Jews. He wanted them to be hated. He wanted the Germans to think of them as sub-human. No one is saying that about Terri. No one relishes her death. No one is happy that she could not be returned to her life.

Hundreds of cases like Terri exist at any moment. They cannot be saved and those who understand that autonomous reflexes are not life for a human don't pretend there is anything left to save.


194 posted on 12/05/2006 10:41:54 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> I doubt that Michael "lied" to the police at all.

He told them all was sweetness and light between him and Terri on the very day they had had a huge brawl. That is not the confusion of the moment. That is a lie.

Think about that. Why would he deny they were fighting?

195 posted on 12/05/2006 10:51:17 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

No they just wanted everyone to think that Terri was "brain dead" even when she clearly wasn't.

They wanted to convince everyone that food and water was "life support" even though we all need it. They even went to court to prevent her from being given a CRUMB of a Communion wafer and a DROP of Communion wine.

They wanted everyone to think that Michael Schiavo was a "loving husband" even though he had children with another woman while he was married to Terri.

I could go on and on about what they Culture of Death wanted everyone to THINK about Terri.


196 posted on 12/05/2006 10:53:06 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> I doubt there are any new "facts" to be found. New assumptions, new nonsense do not count as fact.

What new assumptions? What new nonsense? Vague dismissals with no factual basis serve no purpose.

197 posted on 12/05/2006 10:53:20 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> This is a dead issue except to those obsessed with it.

On the contrary, it was a landmark legal decision, it was a kind of treason to American ideals, and it was a terrible injustice. People will remember Terri Schiavo's story for all three of those reasons until America passes from this earth.

We still talk about Cain murdering Abel. Injustice is never forgotten.

198 posted on 12/05/2006 10:59:32 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit


Hundreds of cases like Terri exist at any moment. They cannot be saved and those who understand that autonomous reflexes are not life for a human don't pretend there is anything left to save.
YOUR WORDS
They exist at any moment, huh. Miracles happen. People with your attitude place themselves as a judge and deny someone else the chance for a miracle. Who are you to be her judge? Nothing in it for you, but the same cannot be said for Schaivo. If you did not relish her death there would be no need for you to keep posting on this thread. Maybe you like it that she is dead, most people here do not. Terri most definitely cannot be returned to her life now, thanks to the Death Nazis, who pick and choose who has a life that they think is worthy or not worthy. Oh, and by the way, I think Terri was saved. Hope the same for you!


199 posted on 12/05/2006 11:07:25 AM PST by dforest
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>> There was no evidence of foul play hence no intensive investigation.

There was a nearly lifeless body face down on the floor. That would be evidence of foul play, wouldn't you think?

Terri's bloodwork showed two different tests indicative of violence but no natural cause for her injuries. That is strong evidence of foul play. But the two policemen closed their report in one hour and never even checked with the ER for a medical report on Terri.

>> People are felled for unknown reasons quite frequently.

Not if investigators, medical facilities and coroners make an effort to find what happened.

>> And they are almost never murdered.

Where do you get this stuff? The leading causes of death and injury to young women are 1) domestic violence, and 2) auto wrecks [only a nudge behind]. No other cause comes even close.

It is because violence is the leading cause of death to young women that it has to be eliminated as a possibility before you even think of looking elsewhere (Occam's razor). It certainly was not eliminated in Terri's case. Don't forget her abnormal blood tests, and don't forget that her bone scan was positive for multiple traumas.

200 posted on 12/05/2006 11:22:31 AM PST by T'wit (Using the right word instead of the almost-right word is like getting laid instead of laid off.)
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