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The Race To The Middle For 2008
Eagle Forum ^ | November 29, 2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 12/03/2006 7:47:19 AM PST by A. Pole

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To: Torie
A trade agreement is neither a treaty or an executive agreement.
51 posted on 12/03/2006 12:19:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer
From the link:

"For example, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and most other U.S. trade agreements are executive agreements."

You didn't do your homework assignment. Naughty.

The truth of the matter is that I typically find protectionist types to be more emotional than analytical. Perhaps that is a prerequisite to being a protectionist come to think of it.

52 posted on 12/03/2006 12:43:46 PM PST by Torie
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To: Islamisalie
The inverted economic model we are building will eventually collapse. One can not have a minority of workers supporting a majority of retirees. The politicians of today and unfortunately of my day, had multiple workers to tax to offer everyone more and more benefits. When they begin to increase the redistribution of wealth from many of the ultra wealthy, those same people will move their investments beyond the reach of the politicians. I fear a severe collapse is coming within he next 20 years. Sad.

It will end in government mandated euthanasia. Funded by the socialized medicine program Congress will vote in shortly.

53 posted on 12/03/2006 1:15:09 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: roses of sharon

"These politicians don't work in a vacuum, their constituents vote the into office."

True, then they stray.

"Politicians are just men, normal human beings, who act legislatively according to the wishes of their voters."

Yea, like border security, the war in iraq, and bloated government with out of control spending?.

You're funny.


not.


54 posted on 12/03/2006 7:47:58 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: roses of sharon

"Specifically, how do Republicans dump free trade, what do they put in its place"

Fair trade. Trade that benefits Americans.


55 posted on 12/03/2006 7:49:29 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Torie

"I won't vote for a protectionist Republican."

See Ronald Reagan: Harley Davidson.


56 posted on 12/03/2006 7:51:21 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: raybbr; MNJohnnie; WatchingInAmazement
Up $3? From when? 1971? Prove your ass-ertions.

The average wage in the U.S. has certainly gone up $3.00 an hour and you don't have to go back very far at all to prove it. If you look here you'll find that since 2000, the average hourly wage for all workers in the private sector has increased from $14.00 per hour to $16.99 per hour. That's an increase of $2.99 per hour. That's pretty darn close to $3.00.

For workers in manufacturing, the news is almost the same. In 2000, the average hourly wages was $15.27. Today it's $18.25. Again, A $2.98 per hour increase is pretty close to $3.00 (not bad for a country that doesn't make anything any more, eh?). If you include the rapidly increasing cost of benefits in this calculation, the average worker earns about $26.00 per hour. According to economist Stephen Moore, when all forms of benefits workers receive today are taken into consideration, compensation to workers is about 27% higher today in real terms than 25 years ago.

No doubt you're as concerned about the middle class as Phyllis Schlafly. The chart below clearly shows that in real terms, the American middle class has been getting wealthier, not poorer. It's no wonder the real median net worth in this country is at an all time high.

Conservative economist Alan Reynolds, makes a solid case that the methodology the BLS uses to measure average wages is seriously flawed:

Reynolds believes, as I do, that a better measure of our increasing incomes is to look at real consumption per capita. In those terms, real per-capita consumption has doubled since 1973. It's hard to consume that much more without real earnings increasing along with the consumption.

As a matter of fact, Reynolds says that:

Reynolds concludes by saying:

Whatever the gloomy worrywarts choose to write about next, Reynolds can be assured that it will appear on FR first.

57 posted on 12/03/2006 8:21:12 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Many people have had to move back in with their parents and take low-paying jobs so they can pay off student loans....

Meanwhile, starting salaries for college graduates with meaningful degrees continues to increase. Maybe that degree in Art History wasn't the best way to spend four years and $50,000. Or, maybe it's really all the governments fault. Good grief, whatever happened to personal responsibility?

....for jobs that have been outsourced of just eliminated, while being unable to provide for their immediate families.

Yes, that outsourcing has proven to be a real serious problem since it's been impeding our job growth so much -- all the way to 4.4%. LOL


58 posted on 12/03/2006 8:36:52 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

" This will set the pattern for the next twenty years. "

This country doesn't have 20 years!


59 posted on 12/04/2006 12:05:18 AM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Torie; A. Pole
What is protectionism?

America FIRST! Americans FIRST! We can't have that though, cause WE ARE THE WORLD! Blackbird.

60 posted on 12/04/2006 3:02:07 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Stay out of the Bushes, unless you're RINO hunting!)
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To: A. Pole
People are fed up with watching their good high paying jobs disappear and be outsourced overseas to Asia. While the new jobs they can find pay only half of what their old job did. If the GOP is not going to stand up for middle class Americans, then it is destined to remain a minority party in this country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

61 posted on 12/04/2006 3:24:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mase
So. Perception is reality. Most people out there perceive the economy as crud and they are not getting ahead.
62 posted on 12/04/2006 3:30:16 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
We can have a center-right majority in this country. We won't get it if we tell the Reagan Democrats to go jump ship.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

63 posted on 12/04/2006 3:33:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Exactly, the Reagan democrats are still out there and they care about jobs, and they distrust free trade. If the republicans want to win a majority again they need to pay difference to them.
64 posted on 12/04/2006 3:35:25 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Alberta's Child
"... provide evidence to support this point...

They don't need no stinking evidence! All they need is how they feel.

65 posted on 12/04/2006 4:36:09 AM PST by libs_kma (Monica blew while Al-Queda grew.....Oh well, Clinton happens!)
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To: libs_kma
You are right in many cases. When Joe Lunch bucket feels his job and life style are threatened as he does in many cases now. He will vote accordingly. After all many people vote there pocketbooks not the stock market. It has been this way for as long as I can remember and I assume it will continue for the foreseeable future as well.
66 posted on 12/04/2006 5:32:42 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Please cite me a specific case in with a trade organization such as the WTO was able to overturn a U.S. law or policy -- and had the ability to enforce its decision.


67 posted on 12/04/2006 7:08:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Hydroshock

One of the most remarkable stories in American politics these days is the way many people in government and the media have been able to convince ordinary Americans -- who currently enjoy the highest standard of living in the history of mankind -- that they are somehow facing an "economic crisis" on a daily basis.


68 posted on 12/04/2006 7:14:27 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

So. That is what they think. ANd this preception shapes the political reality of the day.


69 posted on 12/04/2006 7:17:22 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

So let me get this straight . . . You consider it a prudent political strategy to pursue idiotic public policies in a desperate attempt to garner support from large numbers of idiots?


70 posted on 12/04/2006 7:24:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

If you want to win the next election, yes. If not say hi to Hitlery. Besides I agree with them that free trade is bad for the middle class of this country.


71 posted on 12/04/2006 7:30:58 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
See the following for classic examples of what happens when

1. Massive, unsustainable Social Security system.
2. Massive, unsustainable Medicare system.
3. Massive, unsustainable Great Society programs.
4. Massive, unsustainable U.S. government.
5. Massive, unsustainable open immigration policy (in a desperate attempt to perpetuate Items 1 through 4)

Notice a common theme here?

Catering to the whims of ignorant people eventually leads to fiscal chaos and ultimately to the collapse of these government functions. Catering to the whims of the masses in economic matters is no less futile than legislating changes in the weather.

Besides I agree with them that free trade is bad for the middle class of this country.

It's easy for people to say that "free trade" is bad for the middle class of this country because they have no idea what the alternative would be. And I can guarantee you that once people are exposed to the realities and limitations of the world in which they live, 95% of "the middle class" would prefer our current trade policies to the alternative.

72 posted on 12/04/2006 7:40:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

So. Enough people walked off from the republicans last month to let the dems win. You can not make any changes in policy if you are not in power and free trade is a losing issue.


73 posted on 12/04/2006 7:45:54 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Mase
Nice graph!

Here you have a nice photo:


74 posted on 12/04/2006 7:49:00 AM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: Hydroshock
Enough people walked off from the republicans last month to let the dems win. You can not make any changes in policy if you are not in power and free trade is a losing issue.

As I stated back in Post #9, I have yet to see any evidence that "free trade" was one of the major reasons why "enough people walked off from the Republicans to let the Dems win" last month.

I'd also add that despite all the partisan ranting over this issue in recent years, free trade is here to stay for a very long time regardless of which political party holds power in Washington -- mainly for the reason I gave in my previous post. If the U.S. were to implement the kind of protectionist policies that Ms. Schlafly is advocating in this article and people like Lou Dobbs have advocated in the past, the middle class in this country would last about two weeks before they threw all incumbent politicians out of office and demanded a return to "the good old days of free trade."

75 posted on 12/04/2006 7:55:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: lawdude
This country doesn't have 20 years!

I tend to agree.

76 posted on 12/04/2006 7:56:16 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Our troops are smart. It's our politicians who are stupid.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I disagree, free trade is on the way out. Yes it will be oud and messy but is is going.


77 posted on 12/04/2006 8:31:55 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I don't give it 10.


78 posted on 12/04/2006 8:38:07 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: roses of sharon

"Politicians are just men, normal human beings, who act legislatively according to the wishes of their voters."

Or maybe according to the wishes of their biggest contributors? Multinational corporations.


79 posted on 12/04/2006 9:00:20 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: hedgetrimmer

"Constitutional government prohibits international organizations like the WTO from having any effect on Congress, our trade policy or US citizens. "free trade" agreements grant organizations like the WTO, and foreign agents and foreign countries unlawful authority to make rules and influence US trade."

That bears repeating!
Morning Hedge


80 posted on 12/04/2006 9:02:41 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Hydroshock
Ironically, the only way free trade will come to an end here in the U.S. -- at least anytime in the foreseeable future -- is if our trading partners put an end to it. This is a distinct possibility if the U.S. dollar continues to weaken against other currencies, thereby making our workers more competitive against theirs.
81 posted on 12/04/2006 10:14:42 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Hydroshock
So. Perception is reality

No, reality is based on facts, not emotions.

Most people out there perceive the economy as crud and they are not getting ahead.

I don't believe for a second that this is so. If you can't get ahead in this economy then you have no one to blame other than yourself. And therein lies the problem. There are large numbers of people within the U.S. who refuse to take responsibility for their lives. Instead, they choose to blame government, free trade, outsourcing, globalism, transnational corporations, sunspots and who knows what else for their inability to figure out how to get what they want from life when, in fact, the responsibility lies squarely on their own shoulders.

This is the same class of folks who won't get educated when they're surrounded by educational opportunities; who never seem interested in developing or updating skill sets to make themselves more valuable to their employers, and who think their employer owes them a living. These same people are incapable of taking initiative and have never understood that ones ability to create value for an employer is how a persons value to an organization is determined. Finally, these people won't change because they're too busy pointing the finger at others in a desperate attempt to rationalize why things are they way they are.

You control your life even though you may not realize it. You also live at a time, and in a country, offering more opportunities than at any other time in history. Rather than seizing the day, the weaklings resort to wasting their time talking about limitations instead of pursuing possibilities. These are the perfect individuals to actively participate in the Democratic Party. The democrats will appeal to their need to assign blame to others while passing legislation that soaks those who dared to be successful. These same people appreciate being told that "the man" is holding them down so their dissatisfaction with their life isn't really their fault. It's absolutely pathetic.

82 posted on 12/04/2006 11:29:25 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

You can say what you will, but people vote how the think their pocket book is. And apparantly many are not happy.


83 posted on 12/04/2006 11:32:54 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: A. Pole
Here you have a nice photo:

I'm sure it's nice. I just can't see it. But I'm pleased you liked my graph so much anyway.

It is my fervent hope that someday you'll finally understand and appreciate capitalism.

84 posted on 12/04/2006 11:38:38 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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