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To: sodpoodle
A group of undercover officers working in a gun- and drug-plagued strip joint in Queens had good reason to believe that a party leaving the club was armed and about to shoot an adversary.

They had been undercover for months trying to bust this club with no results. This was the last night of their operation and at 4am, they finally got the bad element at the club who were just there for a bachelor party?

As far as the supposed gun, one of the cops claims one of the eight men at the club said something like "Yo, get my gun" which indicated he wasn't carrying the weapon. And five of the eight men were not in this car. Furthermore, these men were shot a block away from the club, clearly having no intention of engaging in illegal activity at the club or having committed any crime while at the club. Beyond that, the undercovers had not alerted the other police in the neighborhood that they were about to make a bust or had probable cause for an arrest.
31 posted on 12/04/2006 1:15:18 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

There's more to the story than that, there was something about a prostitute and the undercover was going to arrest her outside. Also, there had been one man in the club with a gun. I don't believe he was involved in the subsequent event.


32 posted on 12/04/2006 1:20:30 PM PST by diefree
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To: George W. Bush
They had been undercover for months trying to bust this club with no results. This was the last night of their operation

What a load of garbage.

Are you Charles Barron's press agent?

33 posted on 12/04/2006 1:20:35 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: George W. Bush
As far as the supposed gun, one of the cops claims one of the eight men at the club said something like "Yo, get my gun" which indicated he wasn't carrying the weapon.

The question was whether or not he went to the car in question in order to retrieve a firearm.

Which is why the officer attempted to stop the car.

Furthermore, these men were shot a block away from the club, clearly having no intention of engaging in illegal activity at the club or having committed any crime while at the club.

They were shot a few feet from the club. And it doesn't matter whether they were inside the club or not. Do the police have no authority outside of the club? Is the club magical?

Beyond that, the undercovers had not alerted the other police in the neighborhood that they were about to make a bust or had probable cause for an arrest.

They have no responsibility to alert any other officers if they are making an arrest.

They were operating as police officers in their own jurisdiction.

And they weren't about to make a bust. They were about to stop a car and question its passengers.

42 posted on 12/04/2006 1:31:01 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: George W. Bush
"They had been undercover for months trying to bust this club with no results. This was the last night of their operation and at 4am, they finally got the bad element at the club who were just there for a bachelor party?"

You have no idea how an operation like this works. The UC never makes an arrest, his function is to observe and witness activity about which he will later testify.

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"As far as the supposed gun, one of the cops claims one of the eight men at the club said something like "Yo, get my gun" which indicated he wasn't carrying the weapon. And five of the eight men were not in this car. Furthermore, these men were shot a block away from the club, clearly having no intention of engaging in illegal activity at the club or having committed any crime while at the club. Beyond that, the undercovers had not alerted the other police in the neighborhood that they were about to make a bust or had probable cause for an arrest.?"

This is what was obvious to me...The UC witnessed an argument between two groups of men inside and outside a known location. He saw and heard one say 'Get my gun' then saw that man and others walk toward a car while the other men were standing outside the location. The UC's educated reaction was 'drive-by' about to happen. He stopped it.

84 posted on 12/05/2006 5:14:18 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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