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To: Alberta's Child
New York City has about 40,000 police officers today, which means the city's police force -- in a city that covers only 321 square miles -- is almost one-third the size of the entire U.S. military contingent in Iraq today.

(1) Iraq is not a police state.

(2) US military personnel are not the only people involved in policing Iraq. There are more than 250,000 local police and Iraq Security Forces personnel.

(3) Much of Iraq is rural.

(4) NYC has a population one-third the size of Iraq.

Silly comparison.

In addition, the fact that constitutional rights are abrogated in New York City as a matter of course (see Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution) would seem to support my contention that the place is a police state.

The right to own a pistol is largely abrogated in NYC. The right to own a rifle is not.

And stupid gun laws do not define a police state.

A police state involves the persecution, disenfranchisement, disability and imprisonment of people due to their ethnicity or their political or religious beliefs. It involves state control of the media. It involves laws against the free exercise of speech. It involves the lack of a right to to trial for offenses. It involves the ability of the police to detain citizens withoput charging them with crimes.

It's pathetic that you know so little about history that I have to explain the definition of a simple term to you in such detail.

50 posted on 12/04/2006 1:48:21 PM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake
I'll tell you what . . .

Any jurisdiction that goes to great lengths to inform its citizenry to "watch for terrorism" through a color-coded warning system -- while at the same time prohibiting law-abiding citizens from using the most effective means they would have to deal with terrorism on a personal level -- is either a police state or a dysfunctional heap of sh!t.

You take your pick between those two, and I'll go with you on this one, OK?

53 posted on 12/04/2006 1:54:06 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: wideawake

Whatever you went through to get your NJ FPIC, imagine six more months of it to get a similar thing in NYC. And keep in mind that NYC created an 'assault rifle' registry, so that when they enacted a ban, Giuliani could send the NYPD on house to houses to make sure the residents got rid of their evil black rifles. New York City has smoking police. New York City is about to get trans fat police. New York City has laws prohibiting dancing in bars that do not have cabaret licenses. New York City has taxi police. New York City has code enforcement police, and comsumer affairs police, also they have a special police squad to catch you selling cigarettes from North Carolina or Indian Reservations. New York City has thought police who add special charges when white people attack minorities, but not the other way around. They do not yet have a library police, but if that pinhead Bloomberg wants one, it will happen. I am so glad I got out of that area.


76 posted on 12/04/2006 8:29:53 PM PST by sig226 (See my profile for the democrat culture of corruption list.)
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