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Report: Lufthansa plans big 747 order (Boeing 747-8 passenger is a go!!!)
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Posted on 12/05/2006 11:12:23 AM PST by clippedwing

Report: Lufthansa plans big 747 order Tuesday December 5, 1:38 pm ET

German airline Lufthansa AG plans to order at least 20 of Boeing's new 747-8 jumbo airplanes and take options for 20 additional planes, according to a report on the Wall Street Journal Web site. The online report said the 20 firm orders, valued at $5 billion at list prices, came at the expense of Chicago-based Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA - News) rival Airbus and its competing A380 jumbo aircraft.

Boeing has received orders for its new 747-8 freighter model but the Lufthansa order would be the first order for the passenger version of the plane, which is larger and more fuel efficient than the current 747-400 model. The plane, which will be built in Everett, is expected to enter service in 2010.

The Journal added that something could happen at the last minute to delay the deal, which is expected to be announced Wednesday.

Published December 5, 2006 by the Puget Sound Business Journal


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 747; aerospace; airbus; boeing; germany; trade
Yeah BABY!!!!
1 posted on 12/05/2006 11:12:24 AM PST by clippedwing
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To: clippedwing
The online report said the 20 firm orders, valued at $5 billion at list prices, came at the expense of Chicago-based Boeing Co. (NYSE: BA - News) rival Airbus and its competing A380 jumbo aircraft.

Ping to the A380 chasing the rabbit pic.

2 posted on 12/05/2006 11:14:57 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: clippedwing; Paleo Conservative

Big B Bump


3 posted on 12/05/2006 11:16:46 AM PST by pissant
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To: neodad

How many Imams can it hold?


4 posted on 12/05/2006 11:16:56 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: clippedwing
Boeing 747-8 passenger is a go!!!

Now THAT's going to have some leg room.

5 posted on 12/05/2006 11:17:28 AM PST by newgeezer (Sarcasm content: 100%)
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To: COBOL2Java
How many Imams can it hold?

With or without bombs?
6 posted on 12/05/2006 11:18:48 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: rottndog

There are Imams without? Who knew!


7 posted on 12/05/2006 11:20:49 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: clippedwing
Poor Airbus

8 posted on 12/05/2006 11:21:01 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

i don't care what anyone says, that was an amazing landing coupled with the fact the assembly did not collapse.


9 posted on 12/05/2006 11:22:55 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: clippedwing
748 BROCHURE

coming soon to a showroom near you......

10 posted on 12/05/2006 11:23:11 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: clippedwing

If I never have to fly again I'll be happy.


11 posted on 12/05/2006 11:23:21 AM PST by Ditter
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To: COBOL2Java

"We got MF'ing Imams on this plane!"

13 posted on 12/05/2006 11:24:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: clippedwing

Nothing on the Boeing web sight yet, I guess they wait until the customer announces it.


14 posted on 12/05/2006 11:26:24 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Ditter

here is the a380 killer,

the noise footprint is smaller than the 747-400.

467 passengers too.

I bet the turbulance will continue to be 1/2 of the a380.


This is good news for Boeing share holders and bad news for france.


15 posted on 12/05/2006 11:30:14 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: clippedwing

I call them "Barf-thansa" after the consequences of some beef stew they served me a few years ago.


16 posted on 12/05/2006 11:34:36 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: longtermmemmory

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1579329/posts


17 posted on 12/05/2006 11:42:17 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: longtermmemmory
this is were it's going to hurt the A-380 , the weight, and since Boeing is closing the gap of amount of seats/Pax, this is going to be something the A-380 has to worry about ( THE WEIGHT ).

" While acknowledging that the A380’s all-new wing – versus a modified version of the 747-400’s on the -8 – gives it an aerodynamic advantage, Baseler says that in other measures it is advantage Boeing. “The A380 is between 10% and 16% per seat heavier than the 747-8. The 747-8’s OEW [operating empty weight] per seat is 453kg [998lb] compared with 498kg per seat [using Airbus’s brochure weight numbers] for the A380,” says Baseler. He says Boeing calculates the A380 is over 20% heavier per seat than the 747-400, and to match its structural efficiency “the A380 needs to be stretched to over 650 seats”. The net result of these efficiencies is that the 747-8I’s operating costs are 22% lower than the A380’s per trip and 6% lower per seat, says Baseler "
18 posted on 12/05/2006 11:44:58 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: clippedwing

Too Bad France! I'm sure, though, that Air Sudan will turn to Airbus for all their jumbo jet needs. [snicker]


19 posted on 12/05/2006 11:54:02 AM PST by Stultis
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To: longtermmemmory
Have you ever noticed how they say it is worth $1.5 billion at LIST prices....do these go on sale...I can just see the salesman in his checkered suit saying..."seeing as tho its Thursday..have we got a deal for you"....
20 posted on 12/05/2006 11:54:02 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: Beelzebubba

A friend referred to them as Luftwaffe on one flight, Flt Attendants were NOT amused LOL


21 posted on 12/05/2006 12:16:55 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: newgeezer
Now THAT's going to have some leg room.

ANd after the beancounters are done...?

22 posted on 12/05/2006 12:28:37 PM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: 1066AD

I did that once, many years ago...


23 posted on 12/05/2006 12:28:51 PM PST by ken5050
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To: finnman69

That's looks like an interesting incident there.

What happened?

D


24 posted on 12/05/2006 12:33:10 PM PST by daviddennis
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To: sionnsar
ANd after the beancounters are done...?

I might be willing to buy a ticket someday.

25 posted on 12/05/2006 12:34:19 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: clippedwing
Been flying (a lot) for years - two weeks ago had my first flight in a 747 - what a great aircraft.
And good for Boeing - time to leave Airbus in the dust - see ya' suckers.
26 posted on 12/05/2006 12:39:54 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: clippedwing

I am thrilled for Boeing but have to wonder: they are getting so many orders, when will they reach production capacity?


27 posted on 12/05/2006 1:09:09 PM PST by wingsof liberty
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To: clippedwing

Seems like nothing more than a ploy to me...


...in order to get some concessions from the other Eurowheenies when it comes to German labor manufacturing the Airbust.


28 posted on 12/05/2006 1:09:51 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: clippedwing
Lufthansa hasn't cancelled their A380 orders...yet.
29 posted on 12/05/2006 1:10:14 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: 1066AD
A friend referred to them as Luftwaffe on one flight, Flt Attendants were NOT amused LOL

But did he mention the war?

30 posted on 12/05/2006 1:10:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: clippedwing; COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.

Also go to this thread too.

Lufthansa plans big order for newest 747, sources say
Seattle Times ^ | 12/05/2006 | Bloomberg News Staff

Posted on 12/05/2006 4:17:57 PM CST by Paul Ross

31 posted on 12/05/2006 5:25:34 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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To: wingsof liberty
I am thrilled for Boeing but have to wonder: they are getting so many orders, when will they reach production capacity?

They have told Southwest Airlines that they cannot fill their order for the latest 737s at this time.

32 posted on 12/05/2006 6:44:43 PM PST by gridlock (We just got dumped. McCain and Rudy are Rebound Guys. Let's not marry the Rebound Guy.)
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To: daviddennis

Looks to me like an incident in Sept 2005 in which an A320 had a nose-gear malfunction and landed in LA with the nosegear turned 90 degrees to the line of flight.


33 posted on 12/05/2006 6:49:21 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 1066AD
A friend referred to them as Luftwaffe on one flight, Flt Attendants were NOT amused LOL

Hey...I worked with a German Lady who'd fly them back to Der Faderland annually; I'd kid her about it being "Luftwaffe" - she said she used the term on some ensuing flights and got laughs ... of course, she was "from the tribe".

34 posted on 12/05/2006 6:51:58 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: Psalm 73
Been flying (a lot) for years - two weeks ago had my first flight in a 747 - what a great aircraft.

I'm on the flipside...I haven't travelled a whole bunch, but as circumstances would have it a whoooole lot of my airplane time has been on 747's - going back to when they used to fly L.A. to Chicago, with the disco and piano bar up in the pod.

I love 'em!!

35 posted on 12/05/2006 6:54:57 PM PST by ErnBatavia (recent nightmare: Googled up "Helen Thomas nude"....)
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To: dfwgator

Look at you, you should stop drinking the 'spresso; its seeped all the way out your pores for crying out loud. And look at you walking down the aisle. Man.


36 posted on 12/05/2006 7:45:20 PM PST by raygun (Whenever I see U.N. blue helmets I feel like laughing and puking at the same time.)
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To: raygun
And look at you walking down the aisle. Man.

What you saying? Is Paleo tying the knot and leaving most of us broken hearted? !!! Just kidding. My best to you!

37 posted on 12/05/2006 8:00:09 PM PST by phantomworker (If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
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To: Youngman442002
Have you ever noticed how they say it is worth $1.5 billion at LIST prices....do these go on sale...I can just see the salesman in his checkered suit saying..."seeing as tho its Thursday..have we got a deal for you"....

Before the salesman says that, he says he has to run the deal past his manager first.

38 posted on 12/06/2006 5:40:25 AM PST by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: clippedwing

Some perspective - 20 747s is over a years backlog of that Jumbo airplanes. That is huge. The 747 is alive and well.


39 posted on 12/06/2006 6:14:21 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: clippedwing

Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus,
And Lufthansa is his name
Quantus and JAL and all the rest
Will soon be do the same
Bells are ringin', Boeings singin'
All is merry and bright
Buy your stock and say your prayers
'Cause Santa Claus comes tonight!


40 posted on 12/06/2006 6:57:45 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: clippedwing

And this is only the beginning. Expect British Airways and Japan Airlines to jump in with 747-8 orders within the next two years, since these two airlines have less issues with slot restrictions at their home airports.


41 posted on 12/06/2006 7:29:32 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: All

Related - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1749631/posts


42 posted on 12/06/2006 6:28:28 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: dfwgator

I think I mentioned it once, but got away with it.


43 posted on 12/06/2006 7:03:36 PM PST by steveyp
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To: Yo-Yo
Lufthansa hasn't cancelled their A380 orders...yet.

They won't. They need both aircraft. One type for the 420 passenger, the other for the 550 passenger niche. And if Lufthansa continues to do well, the will probably even order the 650 passenger A380-900 in a few years.
44 posted on 12/07/2006 1:59:07 AM PST by wolf78
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To: wolf78

Lufthansa also ordered 6 A340s as well as the 747-8i. I guess Lufthansa wants to exactly match the aircraft to the route!


45 posted on 12/07/2006 10:45:22 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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