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‘We Can’t Afford to Leave’(Reyes-Dem) in your face Michael Moore
MSNBC-Newsweek ^ | 12052006

Posted on 12/05/2006 4:58:23 PM PST by BlueJ7

Dec. 5. 2006 - In a surprise twist in the debate over Iraq, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the soon-to-be chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he wants to see an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops as part of a stepped up effort to “dismantle the militias.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mcgovern; pelosi; raymcgovern; reyes; sgvips; vips
He hasn't read Michael Moore's Fatwa.
1 posted on 12/05/2006 4:58:26 PM PST by BlueJ7
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To: BlueJ7
That's FATwa.
2 posted on 12/05/2006 4:59:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: BlueJ7

and when we don't do it, he'll blame President Bush. Either way, Bush will get the blame.


3 posted on 12/05/2006 5:00:41 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: BlueJ7

That's fine and dandly for him to "WANT." What about the generals on the ground and President Bush? Or, are we handing everything over to the slim margin of Dems?


4 posted on 12/05/2006 5:01:13 PM PST by DakotaRed (Kerry Should Resign!)
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To: BlueJ7

I'm pinching myself here...


5 posted on 12/05/2006 5:01:18 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: cripplecreek
I think you mean FATwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!
6 posted on 12/05/2006 5:02:07 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If a pug barks and no one is around to hear it... they hold a grudge for a long time!)
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To: cripplecreek; Chieftain

FATwa !! ROFLMAO!!


7 posted on 12/05/2006 5:03:33 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: DakotaRed
Moving troops from other parts of Irag to the Baghdad area would be possible without adding more troops to the country.

I believe this is already under consideration.

8 posted on 12/05/2006 5:04:07 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: BlueJ7

Everyone has an idea on how to change things. The war is being won in spite of the naysayers on FR and elsewhere. It is slow, painful but other than Baghdad most of the country is relatively peaceful.

The problem is a small minority with IEDs and suicide bombers can kill almost at will. Certainly, they kill the Iraqi civilians at will and while they have a harder time with coalition troops they do succeed often enough to make the MSM.

More troops means more targets. If the generals had wanted them they would have asked for them. In the meantime, it is a pleasant surprise to hear a RAT talk about how to win rather than we have already lost.


9 posted on 12/05/2006 5:04:52 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: OldFriend
I don't like the idea of our troops concentrated in Baghdad.

Not with Iran vs Israel heating up.

10 posted on 12/05/2006 5:11:04 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: BlueJ7

And Gen Zinni said in the NYT interview to cut and run would be a disaster

What is going on here


11 posted on 12/05/2006 5:11:56 PM PST by uncbob
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To: OldFriend

Not according to Kucinich. He has stated unequivacally that he will try to cut funding to the Military in Iraq.


12 posted on 12/05/2006 5:13:16 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: DakotaRed

The reporting is that the Chief of General Staff report, i.e. the Military Command report is going to recommend increase of troops level for a short period of time, of course "short" is always relative. It can be few month to more than a year. I think the President will follow the recommendations of the Military i.e. increase the troops level and going to throw the Baker-Hamilton defeatist report in the trash.


13 posted on 12/05/2006 5:13:49 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: BlueJ7

I've seen this for a while. Many Dims actually didn't oppose Iraq war. They just didn't want it to be won under Bush and the GOP.


14 posted on 12/05/2006 5:22:12 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: BlueJ7

I've seen this for a while. Many Dims actually didn't oppose Iraq war. They just didn't want it to be won under Bush and the GOP.


15 posted on 12/05/2006 5:22:18 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: BlueJ7

Move the Green Zone and all media to the north with the Kurds.


16 posted on 12/05/2006 5:27:28 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

CorpulentWah.


17 posted on 12/05/2006 5:27:46 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com ... DEATH BEFORE DHIMMITUDE)
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To: BlueJ7

What a pleasant surprise this is!


18 posted on 12/05/2006 5:28:51 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Iraq: the next country Liberals want to abandon just before Israel.)
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To: jveritas
I agree. He'll be able to say he looked at options, and we cannot allow failure. Then, he'll deploy additional troops to work with the Iraqi army to disarm the militias.
19 posted on 12/05/2006 5:31:19 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Iraq: the next country Liberals want to abandon just before Israel.)
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To: DCPatriot

My personal opinion is that Iran is bloviating.


20 posted on 12/05/2006 5:38:58 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: uncbob

Zinny the ninny said WHAT!????????????


21 posted on 12/05/2006 5:39:28 PM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: cripplecreek

"That's FATwa."

ROFL!


22 posted on 12/05/2006 5:46:58 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: OldFriend
A non-response, to the ordinary muslim on the street means cowardice.

Not what we need right now.

23 posted on 12/05/2006 5:50:46 PM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: OldFriend
Zinny the ninny said WHAT!????????????

That is what was reported on a thread this morning
24 posted on 12/05/2006 6:44:43 PM PST by uncbob
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To: DakotaRed

Yewp- thje dems are ow our commanders in Chief- They know better than the truckloads of generals and commanders on the ground in Iraq just exactly what Iraq needs. http://sacredscoop.com


25 posted on 12/05/2006 7:44:31 PM PST by CottShop
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To: BlueJ7

So this must be part of the Democrat's "plan". General Silvestre Reyes should publish his "plan".


26 posted on 12/05/2006 8:36:09 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: BlueJ7

Now that Democrats have lied their way into power, they support Bush's policies? Oy!


27 posted on 12/05/2006 8:38:21 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Pelosi may have some problems.....from the Captain's Quarters:

Harman Starts Looking Better To The Left?

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One has to wonder what strategy Nancy Pelosi has decided to pursue in the next session of Congress. After a couple of major missteps in the days following the Democratic Party's midterms successes, she has managed to transform what had they described as a mandate for clean government and an end to the American involvement in Iraq into a serious muddle. First she champions two men for key leadership posts that have serious questions of corruption in their backgrounds. Now the man she selected to replace one of them wants to back the Pentagon and expand the American commitment in Iraq (via Hot Air):

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Pelosi will undoubtedly have many Democrats making their views very clear on her selection of Reyes, now that Newsweek has reported it. They expected that key chairs would go to Democrats opposed to the war in Iraq, not those who supported an escalation of American involvement. Newsweek quotes Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst that has campaigned for Bush's impeachment, as almost apoplectic:

Reyes’s comments were immediately blasted by one Iraq war critic who expressed concerns that they would give new respectability to an idea that has lost considerable support in official Washington as the violence in Iraq has escalated. “I think he [Reyes] needs a course in Insurgency 101,” said Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst who has been active in an anti-war group called the Steering Group for Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. “Have they learned nothing from Vietnam? If he pushes this and gets some support for it, and with McCain in the Senate, it could become more respectable … I think Reyes has got a lot to learn.”

28 posted on 12/05/2006 9:05:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: BlueJ7
In a surprise twist in the debate over Iraq, Rep. Silvestre Reyes, the soon-to-be chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he wants to see an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 U.S. troops as part of a stepped up effort to “dismantle the militias.”...with stories like this and Sen Levin's sudden decision that a timetable for getting out of Iraq would be wrong, all those so, so sophisticated, perceptive and briliant people who voted for the 'rats in November thinking they would bring about major "change" must by now be feeling like real dupes - maybe the beginning of some real wisdom for them.....
29 posted on 12/05/2006 9:10:53 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Doc91678
Not according to Kucinich. He has stated unequivacally that he will try to cut funding to the Military in Iraq.

I love that idea.

Perhaps its time the Iraqi's used some more of that oil money to help pay for our efforts on their behalf.

and the Saudi's too.

perhaps we could bill the Iranians our of their frozen assets - if they have any left.

and bill the UN too, while we are at it. Force them to consider it as part of our dues payment.

30 posted on 12/05/2006 9:23:35 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: shrinkermd

About 6 to 10 more Americans could win the war tomorrow---Sn Fran Nancy, Harry Reid, Hillorat, Teddy, Murtha, Levin, and the heads of the NYT and major networks, all of them together announce that we are in this war to win and they back the Commander-in-Chief !00%.
WEll a guy can still dream!


31 posted on 12/05/2006 9:50:58 PM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You shouldn't be. This was as plain to see coming, even before the elections, as the nose on your face. The Dem's are tired of being the "weak on defense" team and all that talk of pulling out of Iraq was just that- talk. You watch the change in tone from the MSM about the Middle East once the Rats get in place.
32 posted on 12/05/2006 10:00:57 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BlueJ7

The Democrat have been handed a war and don't quite know what to do about it.


33 posted on 12/05/2006 10:45:49 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: BlueJ7

The Demonrats have to rely on the leftist nutjobs because that really is who their party is. They'll continue putting on a 'moderate' face because they have such a slim 'majority' but the fact remains the same in that they push a liberal agenda the public wouldn't support if it was knowledgeable. Judges need to be a big topic in the '08 elections because Demonrats put in judges that fight for terrorist rights, along with the criminals-child molesters, murderers, etc. They need it used against them because that doesn't hide their agenda.


34 posted on 12/06/2006 12:57:15 AM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRES. 2008)
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To: Fedora; Cindy
Get a load of this- Ray McGovern's back with a modified name for his VIPS group - why can't these weenies pick a name and stick with it? They're like terrorist groups with all the alias biz :

said Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst who has been active in an anti-war group called the Steering Group for Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

And then we also have a report of Specter cuddling up to Ray McGovern's buddies Joe & Valerie Wilson these days - I thought the Wilsons were moving to Kalifornia?

35 posted on 12/06/2006 2:23:14 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Small, small world with tiny-minded people, in my opinion.

Thanks for the post, piasa.


36 posted on 12/06/2006 2:37:19 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Pikachu_Dad
What you stated is nit the case. It will leave our military people out on a limb with the Democrats sawing it off. We need more equipment that has been worn out or destroyed. We must supply logistics to the people on the MLR. You people have complained about not supplying up-armored vehicles and vests to the soldiers. So where will that come from if Kucinich has his way?
Sure let's take the oil money from Iraq. Isn't that what the left has been screaming about all this time. So far we haven't touched any of it.
I personally call for an all out effort by America. Let's have some bond drives, put in some rationing of luxuries, including gasoline and put America really on a war footing. Maybe that will wake Americans up to that fact that we are in a war of our lives. If not I predict genocide in the Middle East and then Europe to include America. All done by the Muslims.
37 posted on 12/06/2006 8:07:08 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: DakotaRed

From the article:

"One source familiar with aspects of the Baker-Hamilton panel’s deliberations said that the idea of an increase of U.S. troop strength of 20,000 to 30,000 had been pushed by some U.S. military commanders for some time. However, Democratic members of the commission were unwilling to go along with any proposal that would indicate an expansion of the U.S. mission in that country, according to the source, who asked not to be identified talking about sensitive matters."


38 posted on 12/06/2006 8:52:51 AM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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To: piasa
I think the Newsweek quote is just misinterpreting VIPS' steering committee as the name of the group, rather than reflecting a name change to VIPS.
39 posted on 12/06/2006 12:52:46 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

True, could be they got carried away with the capitalization.


40 posted on 12/06/2006 1:37:34 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Yes, I'm sure they got that--either directly or through secondary sources--from some of VIPS' early articles which were signed by VIPS' "Steering Group". For instance:

"MEMORANDUM FOR: The President: FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity", 2/7/2003

Richard Beske, San Diego

Kathleen McGrath Christison, Santa Fe

William Christison, Santa Fe

Patrick Eddington, Alexandria

Raymond McGovern, Arlington

Steering Group

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

41 posted on 12/06/2006 7:53:57 PM PST by Fedora
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