They found Marvin, and he's very very angry.
Posted on 12/05/2006 10:36:33 PM PST by edmond246
NASA hosts a news briefing at 1 p.m. EST, Wednesday, Dec. 6, to present new science results from the Mars Global Surveyor. The briefing will take place in the NASA Headquarters auditorium located at 300 E Street, S.W. in Washington and carried live on NASA Television and www.nasa.gov
(Excerpt) Read more at nasa.gov ...
They probably have a new high-res image of the face.
And it's... it's... it's...
Richard Hoagland!
They said "significant" find, not stomach-turning find.
"Significant" means water. Proof of life would be something more than "significant". Proof of intelligent life would be "earth shattering".
Silly DJF. You know it's gotta be either Art Bell or George Noury. ;P
Ping.
http://www.astrobiology.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1176
Aviation Week Exclusive: Water Spotted on Surface of Mars"
Keith Cowing
Monday, December 4, 2006
Editor's note: According to an item first posted by Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine: "NASA is ready to announce major new findings about the presence of water currently emerging onto the surface of Mars.
If confirmed, this would increase the possibility that microbial life could have existed recently or possibly exists now on the Martian surface. The potential seepage of ground water onto or near the surface has been a key area of investigation by the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft (AW&ST Nov. 27, pp. 53-55).
The MGS spacecraft remains out of contact and is feared lost, as the new Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter also begins the search for evidence of Martian water."
NASA Mars announcement. Waiting for details.
The problem with Hoagland is he's a flat out kook bar. He finds "evidence" because he's looking so dam hard for it.
The trouble is, he knows more than enough science to actually be right sometimes. Just not yet.
Bush's fault. They're just doing Halliburton's bidding.
They spotted a candy wrapper.
Perhaps it's water, perhaps they've found the missing polar lander.
I'd say this upstages the Iraq Study Group.
Art Bell had a real JPL scientist on recently. Bell opened the door to let the JPL scientist argue against some of Hoagland's theories.
It was surprising to hear him just say something to the effect of "I don't see it, but I would not want to deny that someone else might have," or words to that effect.
It made the JPL scientist sound that much more credible (and generous) that he would not discount another's opinion, even when indirectly invited to do so.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
They have found an entire civilization of beings that look like this
Well, Hoaglands made a big deal about the "robot head" on the moon. I don't see it either. I emailed George when Hoagland was on and basically said "If we took 100 sewing machines and dropped them on Mars 100,000 years ago, we would find them in various shapes. Some totally eroded and unrecognizable. Some almost pristine. Most would be broken and corroded, but the various parts would be laying around."
You wouldn't find a needle here. Then a wheel a quarter mile away. Then a spool of thread at the other side of the crater sort of thing.
OTOH, I do agree that it's at least POSSIBLE that NASA amd the military are covering things up. There was some fellow in England who got convicted of hacking into JPL's computers.
He basically said he found lots of evidence of SOME PEOPLE at JPL who's sole purpose in life was to tamper and airbrush photos, and that if we knew the truth, we'd be astounded.
FYI: pings.
I guess I sould have at least photoshopped the ground to look red ...
It would be fun to be astounded with new information.
Geez, we knew there had been water there for ages. Guess they had to prove it.
And yes, Richard was on Coast-to-Coast a bit tonight hyping how he knew it all along.
"I'd say this upstages the Iraq Study Group."
Marvin, you magnificent bastard!
they have found oil
I would be surprised if there weren't some water in the icecaps. If it's cold enough to freeze carbon dioxide, it's certainly cold enough to freeze water. In fact, maybe they found water vapor in the atmosphere.
That would definitely be a major find. But I doubt they have the equipment to do that.
Hoagland was on C2C earlier, and he said basically what I thought.
They seem to have found liquid water on the surface (maybe in some kind of geyser mode).
But it's always been said that Mars was just too cold for liquid water, so this would make them change the way they are thinking totally.
i really dont care they better built a pipe line and pump the sucker dry
well drier
If it's coming up in a geyser, then I guess it makes some sense. Subterranean water would not necessarily be the same temperature as the surface. Of course, it would likely either evaporate or freeze very quickly.
Personally, I think it's a waste to spend billions to see if microbial life exists on Mars. So what if it does? To me, that would not be all that surprising, nor would it be a very useful bit of information. I would be more interested in exploring exploitable resources.
Hoffa's Grave ?
Personally, I would not be surprised if there is oil up there. Maybe on comets. The idea that the oil down here is of purely biological origin just does not work for me. There is too much of it. My suspicion is that it was created in great clouds of gas that once surrounded the Sun.
So if this theory is right, then I would not be surprised if there is oil on Mars or even on the Moon. Of course, it would cost a fortune to get it to Earth.
If they found water that would be "fascinating". If it's still ice that would be "interesting". Water would be a sure sign of global warming on Mars. Probably caused by all those unmanned SUV's we've got roaming the planet.
Well, we've found Martian meteorites on Earth, it's almost a certainty that some Earth rocks made it to Mars.
And I thing about the first half dozen to dozen probes that we sent there didn't have extensive bacterial decontamination before they were launched, that's a relatively recent protocol.
We should terraform it. Send up some lichens, molds, mosquitoes and dumpster divers.
Before you know it, somebody would be selling condos.
What they need to do is the "nonenvironmental" thing. Ram a few comets and asteroids into it. Give it a little more gravity, a little more atmosphere, and a little more liquid.
I would start with Phobos and Diemos.
My suspicion is that it was created in great clouds of gas that once surrounded the Sun.
LOL! My suspicion is that theory was created in great clouds of smoke that once surrounded your head.
You may want to watch this presser...
Thanks, Dog! This briefly caught my eye in the scan of the threads this a.m., but it didn't sink in...
It's hostile. We're talking average temps more than 100 degrees below zero, poisonous (carbon dioxide) atmosphere, and atmospheric pressure that is a tiny fraction of that on Earth. Also, it's a desert.
Nah. I don't smoke. I just have a good imagination. And why not? The fact is that astronomers have identified petrochemicals in outer space using spectometry. Those weren't likely made thru biological processes.
Well, it's not Jamaica. But it's not Pluto or Venus either. Probably at least a hundred life forms on Earth that would find Mars to be paradise.
Well yeah, Boston is like that, but what about mars?
That is true, but unfortunately, one of them isn't us. I don't see why it would be so bad to do a little planetary engineering. We can get rid of some of the potentially killer asteroids by ramming them into Mars. Ram them head on into Phobos or Diemos, and the whole ball of wax will go spiraling down onto the planet. There's nothing there to break. No fragile ecosystem. No people. No cities.
It'll give us some practice moving asteroids around and at the same time make Mars a better place to live.
The real scientists that Bell and Noory have on always seem to be briefed to treat all the callers as if they are intelligent and are asking intelligent questions about possible things. The exchanges can be pretty ludicrous.
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