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PARIS' PEACE PLAN - JIM BAKER'S HOT IRAQ IDEAS
NY Post ^ | December 7, 2006 | JOHN PODHORETZ

Posted on 12/07/2006 2:39:25 AM PST by Mo1

THE profound quality of the suggestions offered by the Iraq Study Group - the panel headed by former Secretary of State James Baker that presented its report with such fanfare to the president yesterday morning - can be inferred from the following passage on page 60:

"RECOMMENDATION 19: The President and the leadership of his national security team should remain in close and frequent contact with the Iraqi leadership."

Truly, a grateful nation should fall on its knees and thank the benevolent Creator that the nine wise men and one woman who comprise the Iraq Study Group were willing to sacrifice themselves and come together so that such a recommendation could be placed before our leaders and the world.

The nation's capital hasn't seen such concentrated wisdom in one place since Paris Hilton dined alone at the Hooters on Connecticut Avenue.

After all, only genius approaching the level of Paris could have written this sentence: "The Support Group should consist of Iraq and all the states bordering Iraq . . . and, of course, Iraq itself."

Yes, that's some Support Group, what with Iraq and Iraq in it together to support, um, Iraq.

Also in the Support Group: Iran and Syria. Yes, having done their best to destroy the new Iraq, these two tyrannical nations are poised to perform a very, very constructive role in helping to get the new Iraq up on its own two footsies!

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1 posted on 12/07/2006 2:39:28 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1

Having Iran and Syria asked to help out is where the ISG lost me.


2 posted on 12/07/2006 2:49:34 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yep! and extremely stupid idea


3 posted on 12/07/2006 2:52:42 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Mo1

This may be a stupid question at this late date, but who picked this alleged "study" group?


4 posted on 12/07/2006 2:55:42 AM PST by patj
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To: patj

My understanding it was Baker and Hamilton that picked the panel
It was Frank Wolf's idea for the study group


5 posted on 12/07/2006 2:58:02 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: patj
who picked this alleged "study" group?

Jim Baker and Lee Hamilton. Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) suggested it purely for his own political purpose of getting re-elected to Congress.

6 posted on 12/07/2006 3:02:13 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Mo1

Committees don't win wars. These political fogies don't have a clue about what this war is all about.


7 posted on 12/07/2006 3:03:31 AM PST by Carolinamom ("I don't have time to be fingerpointing." ---President George W. Bush)
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To: Mo1
Paris refers to Paris Hilton. Yes, the hotel heiress. Come to think of it, she's smarter than the skulls of full of mush boobs who sit on the Iraq Surrender Group. Why, if we just sing "kumbaya" with Syria, Iran and Al Qaeda, we will have peace and good will among men this season. But first, make sure the "Jews are f*cked good." Israel, you see, is what keeps things stirred up in the Middle East. Get the Jewish State out of the way and we will have peace at last, peace at last! I'm sure even Paris Hilton knows how stupid that sounds.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

8 posted on 12/07/2006 3:03:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: patj

Statement of Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA) On the Creation of the Bi-Partisan Iraq Study Group, Which Evolved from his Idea for “Fresh Eyes on the Target

http://www.house.gov/wolf/news/2006/03-15FreshEyes.html


9 posted on 12/07/2006 3:03:50 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Carolinamom

No they don't ..


10 posted on 12/07/2006 3:04:45 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; Mo1

Thanks, you guys. So this has even less reason to be taken seriously than the 911 commission.


11 posted on 12/07/2006 3:09:16 AM PST by patj
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To: Mo1

Saying Iran and Syria can be 'constructive' is like saying that The Mob can be constructive in ending the small shop shakedowns, owner beatings, and store front bombings in some big city.


12 posted on 12/07/2006 3:09:58 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: patj
Its waste basket filler. The ideas are so ridiculous they are unworthy of a superpower.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

13 posted on 12/07/2006 3:11:25 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: patj
IMO .. this report is more of a joke then the 911 commission

What we have to worry about is the media running with it

As Sandra Day O'Connor told the reporter .. it's up to them to read the report and interrupted it to the public
14 posted on 12/07/2006 3:12:51 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: AmericaUnited
Yeah and what will Mahmoud Ahmedinejad do for the Great Satan? Give up his nuclear bomb aspirations? Just because are going to play nice with the mullahs' Iran? James Baker and Lee Hamilton are even stupider than Jimmy Carter.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

15 posted on 12/07/2006 3:13:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mo1

I would like to know how much "salary" these nimnuts deposited in their private bank accounts for their service.

I'm sure they didn't 'work' cheap.


16 posted on 12/07/2006 3:17:52 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Well .. Wolf got Congress to appropriate $1 million for the project


17 posted on 12/07/2006 3:21:08 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Carolinamom
Committees don't win wars. These political fogies don't have a clue about what this war is all about.

I can't think of a "blue ribbon panel" that actually solved a problem. I'm quite frankly getting sick and tired of seeing Lee Hamilton on my TV. He's an ineffective, spineless, mealy-mouthed, incompetant old beanbag.

18 posted on 12/07/2006 3:21:19 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Mo1

A downloadable PDF of the full report is available at this link:

http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/index.html


FYI


19 posted on 12/07/2006 3:23:25 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: goldstategop
Its waste basket filler. The ideas are so ridiculous they are unworthy of a superpower.

It plays right into the hands of the cut-and-run crowd.

20 posted on 12/07/2006 3:24:49 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Baker and Hamilton missed by one day making their report. December 7 was the day "that will live in infamy." Now, we have another "Day that will live in infamy" from this Committee of Fools.


21 posted on 12/07/2006 3:36:21 AM PST by Carolinamom ("I don't have time to be fingerpointing." ---President George W. Bush)
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To: goldstategop

" The ideas are so ridiculous they are unworthy of a superpower "


The good news is that the Islamists will perhaps drop their immediate plans to attack us -- why should they bother? We're no longer a serious threat to their ambitions of absolute control in the Middle East.

(How ironic that it would be on Pearl Harbor Day that this strategy - the same one the Japanese tried in 1941, and failed - should come to fruition..)


22 posted on 12/07/2006 3:45:43 AM PST by Uncle Ike ("Tripping over the lines connecting all of the dots"... [FReeper Pinz-n-needlez])
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To: Carolinamom

I wonder if the Iran/Syria idea was Panetta's. He's a fool too. Alan Simpson, who was on the panel, believes President Bush won't even implement that idea. President Bush did say there were some things in there he didn't think should be implemented in the first place.


23 posted on 12/07/2006 3:46:53 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Mo1
Truly, a grateful nation should fall on its knees and thank the benevolent Creator that the nine wise men and one woman who comprise the Iraq Study Group were willing to sacrifice themselves and come together so that such a recommendation could be placed before our leaders and the world.

The nation's capital hasn't seen such concentrated wisdom in one place since Paris Hilton dined alone at the Hooters on Connecticut Avenue.

This sounds like Ann Coulter.

It's Great.

24 posted on 12/07/2006 3:53:35 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Mo1
Check out the cover of New York Post this morning...

Nuff said.

25 posted on 12/07/2006 3:56:32 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Uncle Ike

Unfortunately, we're losing the PR war.


26 posted on 12/07/2006 3:59:59 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Carolinamom
Well, the NY Post has three articles attacking the ISG (as Rush says, the Iraqi Surrender Group). How's the rest of the MSM taking the report? Are they going to do the propaganda to the American people that Sandra Day O'Connor wants? Is this a two day story?

I think it's up to Bush. Will he embrace his inner wimp and go along with the charade and kick the war with Iran down the road, like Clinton kicked the al Qaeda can down the road?

The lack of reality in the reality free zone of DC is shocking, even though I shouldn't be shocked by it. I'm just a salesman, I know Iran is determined to get the bomb. We can allow it or stop them. Iran is destabilizing Iraq with armed militias. Iran is destabilizing Lebanon/Israel with armed militias. Iran is destabilizing Palestine/Israel. Ah, gee guys, I think there's a pattern here.

Iran needs to learn that destabilization is a two-way street. We should take out the little thug, Baby Doc Assad first, which protects Lebanon, Israel and Palestine. Then tell the Iranians cut it out or else they're next. This needed to be started 3 years ago. Bush has done nothing. He's put the security of the entire country on success in Iraq alone, without looking at Iran. This is insanity. Can anyone explain this to me?

27 posted on 12/07/2006 4:04:42 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

" Unfortunately, we're losing the PR war. "


I see that, according to the gushing I've seen/read this morning, Messrs Baker and Hamilton came skipping down the mountain carrying their stone tablets - and the Prez (and all of us other nasty warmongers) had darn well better get rid of that golden calf and start toeing the line.

And it's universal, folks... Those few small voices that try to pipe up about the emperor having no clothes are easily drowned out in the approving roar.

We (as a people and a country, not "we" as individuals) voted for "change", and the piper has arrived with the invoice. And after surcharges and taxes, the net amount due is staggering: We're going to stop being the United States of America (which was *such* a burden, anyway) and become more like, say, Sweden


28 posted on 12/07/2006 4:07:37 AM PST by Uncle Ike ("Tripping over the lines connecting all of the dots"... [FReeper Pinz-n-needlez])
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To: Mo1
As Sandra Day O'Connor told the reporter .. it's up to them to read the report and interrupted it to the public

Duh! We mst b the dummies that misted geting stuk in iraq.

29 posted on 12/07/2006 4:14:07 AM PST by patj
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To: Mo1

The ISG was getting a great deal of attention, until yesterday morning. ;-`


30 posted on 12/07/2006 4:21:11 AM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Mo1

'Group' and 'intelligence' are mutually exclusive words.


31 posted on 12/07/2006 4:30:08 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Mo1

Please, everybody. Click on the link and read the whole article (three short pages). It sums up the situation perfectly.


32 posted on 12/07/2006 5:07:01 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: Mo1
The report is a joke! Any Freeper could have come up with better ideas in one day, just searching the web. Whomever paid these solons (probably us, i.e the US taxpayer) wuz robbed!
33 posted on 12/07/2006 5:32:55 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: goldstategop
The ideas are so ridiculous they are unworthy of a superpower.
They are unworthy of a highschool history composition.

They are jumbled words of appeasement drooling from the minds of barely conscious cadavers.

34 posted on 12/07/2006 5:35:27 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: Mo1
Truly, a grateful nation should fall on its knees and thank the benevolent Creator that the nine wise men and one woman who comprise the Iraq Study Group were willing to sacrifice themselves and come together so that such a recommendation could be placed before our leaders and the world.

The nation's capital hasn't seen such concentrated wisdom in one place since Paris Hilton dined alone at the Hooters on Connecticut Avenue.

I had to laugh at the part in bold. This study group has to be one of the stupidest things ever coming out of DC. Rush has it right, "The Iraq Surrender Group".

This is the equivalent of having the Baptist Church saying there is something wrong with the Catholic Church and getting five Lutheran Pastors and five atheists on a panel to find out what is wrong.

The problem is that the only time the Lutheran Pastors have ever been in a Catholic Church, may have been for a wedding, and the atheists never saw the inside of any Church.

35 posted on 12/07/2006 5:36:39 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: goldstategop

Mark Steyn's response:

Of course, Syria “should” do this and Iran “should” do that and, if they were Sandra Day O’Connor, I’m sure they would. But they’re not. And the only specific strategic proposal is a linkage between Iraq and a “renewed and sustained commitment” to a “comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace” – which concedes the same ludicrous rationale that the Saudi King Abdullah and all the rest of them make: that one tiny ten-mile sliver of Jews is the reason why millions of Muslims from the Straits of Gibraltar to the Emirates are mired in dictatorships, failed economies and jihadist fever. For the Baker group to endorse this clapped out pan-Arabism is disgusting. An “Arab-Israeli peace”? What does that mean? What exactly is Israel doing to Iraq, or Tunisia, or Qatar, or any other Arabs except those in the “Palestinian territories”? To frame it in those terms is to adopt the pathologies of the enemy. Shame on Baker, Hamilton and all the rest.

From

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1749570/posts


36 posted on 12/07/2006 5:36:48 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Mo1
If you haven't already done so, amaze yourself, read it.
37 posted on 12/07/2006 5:36:55 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: mewzilla
That's excellent!
38 posted on 12/07/2006 5:38:40 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
This is the equivalent of having the Baptist Church saying there is something wrong with the Catholic Church and getting five Lutheran Pastors and five atheists on a panel to find out what is wrong.
Excellent.
39 posted on 12/07/2006 5:38:57 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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40 posted on 12/07/2006 5:40:16 AM PST by petercooper
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To: Mo1
Podhoretz has it right.
41 posted on 12/07/2006 5:40:42 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: petercooper

I'm buying this issue today!


42 posted on 12/07/2006 5:41:27 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: Mo1

Maybe they can gather the cast of Cocoon and have a Cadavers for Peace March.


43 posted on 12/07/2006 5:42:45 AM PST by samtheman (The Democrats are the DhimmiGods of the New Religion of PC)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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44 posted on 12/07/2006 5:47:30 AM PST by SJackson (had to move the national debate from whether to stay the course to how do we start down the path out)
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To: samtheman

I used that argument on some of the libs (all Catholics) I work with, and they were speechless when I told them that none of the members had ever been in the military.

After I blew their minds with that analogy, I added this little quip.

Another way to explain that "study group" is Apple wanting to fix some Microsoft flaws, and get five hillbillies and five rednecks who had never used a computer to fix the OS.


45 posted on 12/07/2006 5:49:27 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: TomGuy

So a million dollars of MY TAX MONEY essentially funded the "United States Institute for Peace", allowing them to set up a nice web site and put together a non-profit organization that will now probably lobby for government grants and certainly will support left-leaning causes and undermine the United States whenever it can.

Thanks, Frank Wolf.


46 posted on 12/07/2006 5:52:27 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mo1

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.


47 posted on 12/07/2006 5:54:58 AM PST by Colonel PK (Say what you will, I don't have to agree with you.)
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To: Mo1

The Iraq Senility Group has spoken.


48 posted on 12/07/2006 6:13:43 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: Jabba the Nutt
We should take out the little thug

You are correct. Political assassinations are required. We can win that game and the results would be substantial.

49 posted on 12/07/2006 6:17:10 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: Rummyfan

Adopting the pathology of the enemy is in vogue these days, even on FR.


50 posted on 12/07/2006 6:29:23 AM PST by roses of sharon
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