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FYI: Outgoing Santorum votes AGAINST Gates (SecDef Nomination) (mocks 'talking' with Iran)
Washington Post ^ | 12/7/2996 | Washington Post

Posted on 12/07/2006 6:12:52 AM PST by FreedomNeocon

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Overall, 52 Republicans, 42 Democrats and one independent voted for Gates. Three lawmakers _ Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C. _ did not vote.

Two Bush allies, Sens. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., and Jim Bunning, R-Ky., voted against Gates, citing his criticism of the war and his view that the U.S. should engage Iran as part of a solution.

"Mr. Gates has repeatedly criticized our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan without providing any viable solutions to the problems our troops currently face," Bunning said. "We need a secretary of defense to think forward with solutions and not backward on history we cannot change."

Santorum, who lost his re-election bid last month, mocked the idea of engaging dictators and talked at length of the evils of "radical Islamic fascism." When it comes to reaching out to Iran to discuss the security of Iraq, Santorum said of Gates, "I think he is in error."

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I'm really hoping we see more of Rick coming up to 2008... ;)
1 posted on 12/07/2006 6:12:55 AM PST by FreedomNeocon
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To: FreedomNeocon
Santorum went up a notch in my estimation.

Well done, Senator, well done!

Regards, Ivan

2 posted on 12/07/2006 6:13:38 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Perhaps they misunderstood Gates ... when SecDef says "engage Iran" it might have a different meaning than when SecState says it. My follow up to Gates' statement might be "with how many divisions?" /wishful thinking, reality resumes


3 posted on 12/07/2006 6:18:40 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prayers for our patriot brother, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub. Brian, we're all pulling for you!)
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To: MadIvan

He surely did, and maybe there is some life in ol' Jim Bunning after all. But they are minor voices crying in the wilderness of despair. The whole country seems on a death wish to me.


4 posted on 12/07/2006 6:19:08 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Theodore R.
Perhaps it's worth trying to get Santorum to run for President.

Regards, Ivan

5 posted on 12/07/2006 6:19:51 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

The difference between Ohio and Pennsylvania: We voted out a weak kneed RINO. They voted out a good senator.


6 posted on 12/07/2006 6:26:28 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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To: KarlInOhio

If only PA could just give Philly to New Jersey...


7 posted on 12/07/2006 6:28:23 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: MadIvan

I actually imagined him looking at Gates during a hearing and stating...

If you're so stupid that you don't realize your statements today will be used as enemy propaganda, and get our soldiers killed, you have no qualifications to be Sec.


8 posted on 12/07/2006 6:29:48 AM PST by rwilson99 (95% of Al-Jazzera Viewers Agree... the world is less safe (for them) since 9/11)
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To: RockinRight

it wasnt just phila that voted rick out - his numbers were down all over the state, even in deep red areas.


9 posted on 12/07/2006 6:30:33 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: KarlInOhio
Yea, I voted for DeWine here in Ohio, not because I wanted him, but because I wanted Brown even less.

But, I sure won't be sorry to see him go.

10 posted on 12/07/2006 6:30:43 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: KarlInOhio
The difference between Ohio and Pennsylvania: We voted out a weak kneed RINO.

And voted in a flaming liberal with a voting record to the left of Dennis Kucinich. Good trade, that, real smart...

11 posted on 12/07/2006 6:30:58 AM PST by chimera
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To: FreedomNeocon

One man with the decency to be true to his convictions. No wonder he doesn't fit in with "the new tone."


12 posted on 12/07/2006 6:32:43 AM PST by veronica (http://images20.fotki.com/v360/photos/1/106521/3848737/gladysPSCP-vi.jpg)
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To: KarlInOhio

Anyone have an email address for Santorum? I went to his site and it refers to Casey. What a horrible mistake to vote Santorum out.


13 posted on 12/07/2006 6:35:52 AM PST by Aria (Terri: Do not ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for theeii)
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To: rwilson99
If you're so stupid that you don't realize your statements today will be used as enemy propaganda, and get our soldiers killed, you have no qualifications to be Sec.

It is virtually impossible now to see America's leadership as being anything other than divided and with certain exceptions, defeatist.

This is ammunition for the Islamists and the Far Left.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 12/07/2006 6:36:22 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Well done Senators,Well done.


15 posted on 12/07/2006 6:39:06 AM PST by ustanker (The cave dwellers are happy!)
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To: FreedomNeocon
Sens. Joseph Biden D-Del., [and] Evan Bayh, D-Ind [abstained].

Two real strong decision makers there--and these two clown wanna be PRESIDENT??

16 posted on 12/07/2006 6:40:08 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: FreedomNeocon

Rick Santorum is one of the very few politcians I really like and respect. Too bad he lost the Senante in PA. He would make a great President.


17 posted on 12/07/2006 6:40:17 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: FreedomNeocon

I sure wish he would move to Texas and run. We could use a good Senator.


18 posted on 12/07/2006 6:42:05 AM PST by engrpat
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To: FreedomNeocon; melancholy; True Republican Patriot
"Santorum, who lost his re-election bid last month, mocked the idea of engaging dictators and talked at length of the evils of 'radical Islamic fascism.' When it comes to reaching out to Iran to discuss the security of Iraq, Santorum said of Gates, "I think he is in error."

I'm keeping this good man and great Senator in my prayers. I want so much for us to "...see more of Rick coming up to 2008... ;)"

Nancee

19 posted on 12/07/2006 6:42:13 AM PST by Nancee
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To: philsfan24
it wasnt just phila that voted rick out - his numbers were down all over the state, even in deep red areas.

You can thank the "conservative Christian" base who didn't vote out of sheer spite.

20 posted on 12/07/2006 6:44:18 AM PST by Tinian
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To: MadIvan
Perhaps it's worth trying to get Santorum to run for President.

I'd prefer we won, thanks.

21 posted on 12/07/2006 6:45:44 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: Tinian

What was the deep red's problem w/Santorum?


22 posted on 12/07/2006 6:46:08 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: MadIvan
Perhaps it's worth trying to get Santorum to run for President.

Rick is probably out of cash and bruised from his senate defeat, but, he offers the country the only real choice among a group of "Hillary Lites".

I wish there was a way for him to enter the primaries so his message could be compared to the other candidates.

23 posted on 12/07/2006 6:46:17 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: standingfirm

Some "true" conservatives were upset at him over his endorsement of Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey in the 2004? Senate primary election.


24 posted on 12/07/2006 6:47:48 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Wormwood
Perhaps it's worth trying to get Santorum to run for President.

I'd prefer we won, thanks.

What would we win if we elect a Republican "Hillary Lite"?

25 posted on 12/07/2006 6:48:37 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat
What would we win if we elect a Republican "Hillary Lite"?

By your logic? Less Hillary.

26 posted on 12/07/2006 6:49:34 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: Aria
I'm not sure if this will get to him but they might be able to refer you:

info@ricksantorum.com
27 posted on 12/07/2006 6:49:43 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Wormwood
Perhaps it's worth trying to get Santorum to run for President.

I'd prefer we won, thanks.

Win with who? McCain? Is that winning? What will we have won? Granted he's hawkish on the war on terror now, but other than than, he's a total RINO. And if he's a total RINO everywhere else, it won't be long before the wheels of the machine start to turn and he cuts and runs on the war too.

28 posted on 12/07/2006 6:50:00 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Some "true" conservatives were upset at him over his endorsement of Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey in the 2004? Senate primary election.

I recall hearing that as well. I believe the phrase used was, "pro-lifers demand perfection."

29 posted on 12/07/2006 6:50:33 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: FreedomNeocon

Follow the money


30 posted on 12/07/2006 6:50:49 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

OK, I remember that now.


31 posted on 12/07/2006 6:51:00 AM PST by standingfirm
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To: Ramcat
Is Richard Mellon Scaife still around? After all, he was funding the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. :)

Regards, Ivan

32 posted on 12/07/2006 6:51:28 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Excellent!

Santorum is the man.


33 posted on 12/07/2006 6:52:33 AM PST by fleagle
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To: FreedomNeocon

See my tagline.


34 posted on 12/07/2006 6:53:18 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rick Santorum in 2008, or 2012 or whenever we get serious about Islamofascism.)
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To: standingfirm
Win with who?

I have no idea, since it's a little early.

But Rick Santorum, regardless of his conservative credentials, has made enough politically suicidal statements that he would be toast in a national campaign.

Sorry guys.

35 posted on 12/07/2006 6:53:26 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: Tinian
You can thank the "conservative Christian" base who didn't vote out of sheer spite.

Well, I sure hope they like what they get for having a hissy fit.
36 posted on 12/07/2006 6:56:31 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Sorry soldiers.....your country let you down on November 7.)
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To: Wormwood

A proud "Goldwater Republican" would never settle for less Hillary.


37 posted on 12/07/2006 7:00:09 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat
A proud "Goldwater Republican" would never settle for less Hillary.

It was your premise, not mine.

38 posted on 12/07/2006 7:02:26 AM PST by Wormwood (Proud Goldwater Republican ( i.e. persona non grata))
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To: MadIvan
Is Richard Mellon Scaife still around? After all, he was funding the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. :)

If he's still around, he's been quiet.

I doubt if Rick could act as a puppet for a money man. He's really driven by his convictions and beliefs.

During the primary debates, everyone else will be speaking in cliches and platitudes and Rick would be expressing a conservative vision for America and the free world.

39 posted on 12/07/2006 7:05:13 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: chimera
Good trade, that, real smart...

My brother who calls himself a conservative and who has always acted and voted as one, voted for Casey. He tried to explain it to me but I won't talk to him about it. I am still in shock.

40 posted on 12/07/2006 7:05:46 AM PST by outofstyle
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Thanks, I just emailed that address, we'll see what happens. I heard Rick's speech re Gates last night and I was so impressed. He called a spade a spade. That is a man who needs to go further i.e to President. Those idiots voted out a really good man.


41 posted on 12/07/2006 7:06:34 AM PST by Aria (Terri: Do not ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for theeii)
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To: MadIvan
Is Richard Mellon Scaife still around? After all, he was funding the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. :)

Scaife still publishes the Tribune-Review, but for all the good it does in many other areas, it has never been a pro-life voice. Scaife is pro-choice. Also, the Trib never supported the reasons for going to war in Iraq and was among those praising Murtha for declaring it time to cut and run.

To say, briefly, that Scaife isn't going to be bankrolling Santorum anytime soon.

42 posted on 12/07/2006 7:10:01 AM PST by SoothingDave (Are you on the list?)
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To: Wormwood
Not looking for an argument. Maybe my post wasn't clear.

Another try; all the expressed Republican hopefuls (Rudy, McCain, Romney, etc.)are in my opinion nothing more than Hillary Lite.

What would we win if we elected any of these candidates?

IMO, even if we won, we'd loose by moving the entire country to the left.

43 posted on 12/07/2006 7:10:53 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat
A proud "Goldwater Republican" would never settle for less Hillary.

So you'd settle for more hillary.

44 posted on 12/07/2006 7:12:04 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Why are Biden, Dole, etc termed "lawmakers" and Santorum and Bunning characterized as "Bush allies"? They are all "senators" the last time I looked.

Bias, anyone?


45 posted on 12/07/2006 7:14:52 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MadIvan

Santorum for President is the only candidate that could excite me right now. Others have sugested Santorum as Ambassador to the UN. That's not a bad plan either.


46 posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:20 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Wormwood

agreed.

he lost Pennsylvania in a landslide. I don't see him winning anything other than the deep south, utah, wyoming and Idaho in a national election.


47 posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:29 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

the chances of his confirmation are slim to none.


48 posted on 12/07/2006 7:17:06 AM PST by ChurtleDawg (kill em all)
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To: RockinRight

Please...we have enough problems....don't want Philly for any reason....and I don't like their cheese steaks, either!!!!!!!


49 posted on 12/07/2006 7:18:15 AM PST by Betteboop
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


50 posted on 12/07/2006 7:19:36 AM PST by Tribune7
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