Posted on 12/07/2006 6:30:04 AM PST by JustaCowgirl
DENVER -- The brother of a University of Oklahoma student who blew himself up outside the OU football stadium last year has been charged with threatening a second FBI agent.
The additional charge against Thomas Carlisle "Tom" Hinrichs of Colorado Springs is contained in an indictment that was made public Tuesday in U.S. District Court in Denver.
Hinrichs originally was charged Nov. 21 with threatening during Nov. 15-16 interrogations to assault or murder an FBI agent identified only as "Todd" in Colorado Springs.
The new charge alleges that Hinrichs threatened in an Oct. 12 telephone call to "bury" William Burruel, another FBI agent in Colorado Springs.
Hinrichs, 25, is the brother of Joel "Joe" Hinrichs III, who was 21 when he died Oct. 1, 2005, from the blast of a bomb he was carrying outside a packed Oklahoma Memorial Stadium during a football game.
His father later said his son was severely depressed.
The day after the bomb death, the FBI began investigating Tom Hinrichs as a domestic terrorism suspect as part of a broad probe to determine whether Joe Hinrichs' death was an isolated event, a federal law enforcement source
said Nov. 21.
The investigation of Tom Hinrichs was closed April 17, but an FBI court affidavit says the FBI and Colorado Springs police asked Burruel to monitor Hinrichs' behavior monthly "to ensure that he was not a danger to himself or others."
The affidavit says that on Oct. 12, Hinrichs told Burruel, "Your blowing smoke at me, I'm fed up . . . I will . . . bury you."
Colorado Springs police arrested Tom Hinrichs on Nov. 15 for allegedly assaulting his father, Joel Hinrichs Jr., 62, of Colorado Springs.
Authorities said Tom Hinrichs had an assault rifle, two boxes of ammunition and a military helmet when they arrested him.
He remains in custody in that city on a state-court charge pertaining to the alleged assault, according to a new court filing by a federal prosecutor.
I still say there is much, much more to this event than we have ever been told. This story adds to my suspicion.
ping in case you haven't seen this yet. I can't remember the names of others who were interested in this topic, so maybe you can ping them.
Fun family
The story of the suicide bombing (which is what it was) won't ever be told because it violates to many PC rules.
If the he's mixed up in his Islamist brother's plots, the FBI should be 'hounding' him to get to the bottom of whatever was behind the failed OU attack, but really: ". . .I'll bury you," at the end of a exaspirated tirade won't pass muster as a threat under any of the versions of true-threat doctrine set forth by the various courts of appeals.
Thanks for posting. BTTT!
Amazing. And I definitely agree. There is so much more to this that was covered up. Wish I knew why.
Someone is trying to destroy the X.500 Directory Services protocol?
(Sorry, couldn't resist a bad techie joke.)
No joke. There is something very, very wrong in that family.
Probably not. It sounds like the FBI is using that as leverage to try to get something from him - or possibly from someone else.
Agreed.
But this was such a nice family! (sarcasm)
All I can say is that those of us who were at the stadium that night were very fortunate and when some say God is a Sooner, that night they were right because that is the only explanation for the lack of loss of human life except for the bomber that night.
The kid was no lone suicide bomber who was just mad at football. He was out to kill people that night and thanks to security for cars entering the oval, we avoided a major disaster according to sources here.
I would suggest that perhaps Joel Hinrichs was both depressed and a terrorist. One does not preclude the other.
In fact, it is standard Islamabomber SOP to prey on the outcast or the mentally weak in order to recruit suicide bombers. If you are going to try to convince somebody to blow themselves up with a bunch of innocent civilians, you have a big head start if you begin with somebody who wants to kill themselves in the first place.
What a messed up family.
I bet they start every reunion with "now put that down!"
The press treatment of what was clearly a Muslim-inspired suicide bombing attempt is of greater concern than the actions of this loonie, though.
Is this guy into the Religion of Peace too?
Whatever the source of that kid's motivations, and whoever else might have been helping/assisting/motivating him, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he planned to go into that stadium that night.
Yes, that's what all the media reported--that they were such a NICE family, and what a tragedy yada yada. It's starting to look like the public will never know the facts of that event--but most people, just like some of us here, really don't buy the "suicide" story.
Nothing is known for certain (by the public, at least), but there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that he did have contacts with active Muslims in Norman. Whether those contacts included radical Islamists is another question.
Looks like the Hinrichs family is keeping the Law very busy...eh? It will be interesting to know if Jihad Joey's family has converted to Islam.
Meanwhile, according to this story, the FBI started investigating his brother for terrorism connections THE DAY AFTER THE BOMBING. We sure didn't hear anything about that at the time, did we?
Thanks for keeping a watch on this story. Except for us FReepers who know many details, this story has largely remained unknown.
Just so you know....the Tulsa Squirrel is about as DimSocialistMarxistLyingLiberal a fish wrap out there...
"Authorities said Tom Hinrichs had an assault rifle, two boxes of ammunition and a military helmet when they arrested him."
I know a lot of us cringe when we see this kind of reporting, just last night I packed a box of military gear to give away, I still have 4 or 5 helmets I'm keeping.
Trust me, I know. Some of their editorials and cartoons on the Opinion page make me want to barf.
Okie dokie..!!
LOL.
I at least give the World credit for reporting this, even if they did bury it at the bottom of the back page. However, so far as I know the Oklahoman has not even reported it. I could be wrong about that.
I think it was yesterday...and it wasn't buried.
Quit reading the Squirrel. ( vbg )
Coming from a different perspective - I do believe Joel III was a lone nut, after lots of study of the case at the time - I'm not sure what to make of brother Tom.
He may be schizophrenic. The earlier article said that Joel Jr. (the father of Joel III and Tom) had both of them in psychiatric or psychological counseling for several years after high school.
Joel Jr. said that Thomas's mental health had deteriorated rapidly this past year, after Joel III's suicide by bomb.
As far as Islam and the whole family, I kinda don't think so. The dad is right-wing, registered (R), active in Lutheran church, formerly a writer of letters to the editor about conservative topics, and moved to CO Springs perhaps because his sister and her family live there.
The sister's family seems to be quite prominent around town, also in the Lutheran church - with grown children who all are married with children of their own, businesses and nice homes there. (One may be divorced.)
IOW, Joel Jr. has strong ties to the community and reason to conform. However, when Joel III blew himself up, it was reported that Joel Jr. and his wife, Joel III and Tom's mother, were divorced. That turned out not to be true - they were "separated." According to the CO files, they are still "separated," albeit now with a legal notice of same on file.
Tom claimed to "no longer be a citizen of the US" and wanted to be "deported to China," when this latest trouble was reported.
I'm not sure what to make of that, as I haven't seen any documented ties to China with anyone in the family, except in passing. Their mother is Jehovah's Witnesses, as is one of the daughters, maybe both.
One lives in a Chicago 'burb (the one I know is active JW) and one was a brainiac at MIT who was working on the human genome project and living in or near Santa Clara, CA, or thereabouts last year when I checked them all out.
One or both attended the international high school in Las Vegas, NM - and have a number of international ties. The Chicago one is a Spanish translater for Latin American clients and the other has actually traveled to China for math-type conferences.
I'll look over my notes again, but that's most of it, off the top of my head. I don't know how Tom might be connecting himself to China or Chinese ideology.
I also don't know why they persist in spelling his middle name Carlisle, when his birth record in CA is spelled Carlyle, like the English essayist ("All great peoples are conservative."), unless he himself has changed it.
He is allegedly mad about things that happened in high school to Joel III (I assume it was the year he had to spend in detention for bringing a weapon to school in the 8th or 9th grade) and perhaps to himself, as well - having threatened the HS principal there in CO Springs.
I don't think Tom went to HS there - will have to check my notes to see where he might have graduated, because they moved around a whole lot for a few years there, back and forth from Lisle, IL to SC - I think Charleston. He was long graduated from HS when they moved to CO Springs. (One note I had said that Tom Hinrichs in CO Spngs was registered Libertarian, but it was a different person altogether.)
I am sure much has been covered up just as it was covered up in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Suicide? - Balderdash! A person suicides with a gun, or a rope, or another means to take his or her self out!
This maroon was out to kill other people, in quantity! Why the real story was buried is a mystery. Stay well.....................FRegards
I would not be surprised if Palestinians who want to commit suicide anyway are the main source of volunteers.
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