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Allstate to stop insuring new N.J. homeowners
msnbc ^ | 12-7-06

Posted on 12/08/2006 6:17:12 AM PST by Hydroshock

NEW YORK - Allstate Corp., the largest publicly traded U.S. home and auto insurer, said Thursday it will stop writing new homeowner policies in New Jersey on Feb. 5, citing concern a hurricane might strike the state.

The state's second-largest home insurer after State Farm said the change will not affect 230,000 homeowners who already have policies with the company.

Allstate will no longer write new policies for owners of homes, condominiums, mobile homes and landlords. It said it will also not renew policies for about 300 commercial customers in eight coastal counties.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: allstate; newjersey
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To: The South Texan

FOr insurance to work, the total you receive from them in claims has to be less than the total paid in in premiums.

Since almost any complete loss of a house will far exceed the amount paid in by the homeowner in their entire lives, it is clear that most everybody else should feel "ripped off" by their insurance. For example, if you are paying 1000 a year (I used to be less than half of that, and I don't think I'm that expensive yet), and you pay for your entire life, that's less than one hundred thousand dollars, and you'll collect a lot more than that if your house burns down.

I think I'm even ahead right now with my car insurance, having totalled a brand new car two years ago and getting the full retail price out of my company. I'm also even with my homeowners, having gotten money to repair hail damage a couple of years ago, it wasn't that much but as I said I haven't paid that much.

But if you think the insurance company is ripping you off, just don't buy insurance, or find another company. It would be EASY to do so, if the states weren't so over-regulating the industry which makes it hard for small companies to break into the business.


41 posted on 12/08/2006 6:57:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bmwcyle

my take is that based upon passed experience with Allstate, they are looking for a rate hike and need to give their people in the legislature some reason to grant it.


42 posted on 12/08/2006 6:57:40 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Is New Jersey a "risk", or is it just that the government their has made it so hard to sell insurance for what it costs that it's not worth it?

There's a reason Allstate pulled out instead of just raising their rates. Usually it's because a state has ruled that all people in their state must get the same rates, and the company can't get people who live in areas NOT at risk to pay enough extra to cover the cost for those who live on the shore where there is a lot of extra risk.

I wonder if that's what happened in New Jersey.


44 posted on 12/08/2006 6:59:14 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hydroshock

May be a simplistic solution, but I'm in Florida and have thought for a long time, if they want to get out of the homeowner's market fine. But keep them from writing any other type of insurance in the state as well, like auto, etc.

Insurance companies cherry pick.

Our rates went up significantly in Florida due to hurricanes in the past few years. What if we don't have any hurricanes (as in last season) or minimal hurricanes for the next few years? Will the rates go down to reflect their savings....I don't think so!


45 posted on 12/08/2006 6:59:17 AM PST by dawn53
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To: dawn53

My car insurance company pays out money if they have a good year, I've received checks from them in the past.


46 posted on 12/08/2006 7:00:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
jI suggest you look at their profits. They are not hurting even after FL and Katrina. Also look at their stock prices. Bad business deals in real estate is their weakness.
47 posted on 12/08/2006 7:01:43 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist
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To: CindyDawg

Our Business is located about and hour and a half from ground zero. Possibly it was just coincidence. Our new carrier charges us three times the amount of the original premium.


48 posted on 12/08/2006 7:02:52 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (New Jersey gets the corrupt government it deserves!)
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To: laotzu

"The overwhelming majority of those in the insurance industry are honorable, and honest people."

You can say that about Muslims also. but the ones who are not can sure make up for the good ones.


49 posted on 12/08/2006 7:03:04 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Since almost any complete loss of a house will far exceed the amount paid in by the homeowner in their entire lives, it is clear that most everybody else should feel "ripped off" by their insurance.

My life insurance company is ripping me off. I pay and pay and pay and never get anything from them. :-)

50 posted on 12/08/2006 7:03:45 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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To: dawn53
May be a simplistic solution, but I'm in Florida and have thought for a long time, if they want to get out of the homeowner's market fine. But keep them from writing any other type of insurance in the state as well, like auto, etc.

Should someone who sky dives every day, pay the same rate for health insurance as someone who doesn't? I do not think so, those with high risk hobbies should assume the cost of the increased risk.

Why should my rates go up because of someone else's lifestyle choices?

51 posted on 12/08/2006 7:05:12 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: twigs

Allstate has paid on claims to me quickly and fairly for 25 or so years...on both Auto and Homeowner claims.

I dont know how I could be better served. I cant imagine how they can be worthless.


52 posted on 12/08/2006 7:05:15 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Yeah. Our rates keep going up too. I would rather just take precautions and save the money but I can't.


53 posted on 12/08/2006 7:06:31 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CharlesWayneCT
My car insurance company pays out money if they have a good year, I've received checks from them in the past.

State Farm? What you described is a mutual insurance company which is owned by the policy holders. Many of the mutual companies have "demutualized" and become publicly traded companies in the past few years.

54 posted on 12/08/2006 7:06:46 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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To: Turbo Pig
They have the right to choose what business they want to offer, and a responsibility to thier share holders, in order to make a profit.

Very true. Companies are in business to make money.

When we lived on the Easter Shore of Virginia we had to buy special flood insurance from the government because no policy covered hurricane flooding.

55 posted on 12/08/2006 7:06:54 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: laotzu
If insurors are such "slimeballs", why aren't you self-insuring?

Psssst, the only people who can self-insure are those who don't really need the insurance in the first place. I would love to dump my auto insurance and self-insure. The only thing stopping me is couple hundred grand in liquid assets that I could use to post the requisite bonds to legally do so.

56 posted on 12/08/2006 7:10:02 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
That's why all Mexican houses are built with brick or cinderblock - no fire insurance. The article was in the San Diego Reader a few years back.

I don't think that's accurate. Large parts of Mexico were deforested by the Spanish and never reforested. Wood is not easily available. Also, stone homes are much cooler in that hot climate where most people don't have AC.

57 posted on 12/08/2006 7:11:34 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Hydroshock
Allstate has high rates, they have to pay their stock holders.

We used to have our vehicle insurance with them. Then we received an ad from NRA (we have been members for 31 years) about AIG insurance through NRA. We save $600. per year.

58 posted on 12/08/2006 7:12:08 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: laotzu
If insurors are such "slimeballs", why aren't you self-insuring?

While I don't agree with the slimeball characterization the reality is that we have no choice but to get insurance. No bank will write a mortgage to people who don't have homeowner's insurance and most states (I think) require drivers to be insured as well.

59 posted on 12/08/2006 7:13:46 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: dawn53
May be a simplistic solution, but I'm in Florida and have thought for a long time, if they want to get out of the homeowner's market fine. But keep them from writing any other type of insurance in the state as well, like auto, etc.

Use government force to subvert the natural working of the free market? Not a very conservative outlook...

60 posted on 12/08/2006 7:14:46 AM PST by NittanyLion
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