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A Vote for Rudy: Why Giuliani should be president
National Review ^ | 12/18/2006 | Richard Bookhiser

Posted on 12/08/2006 2:36:29 PM PST by Uncledave

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1 posted on 12/08/2006 2:36:32 PM PST by Uncledave
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To: areafiftyone

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2 posted on 12/08/2006 2:38:05 PM PST by Uncledave
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To: Uncledave

If I want a New York Democrat then why wouldn't I just go ahead and vote for Hillary?


3 posted on 12/08/2006 2:39:52 PM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: Uncledave
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

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4 posted on 12/08/2006 2:40:55 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: Uncledave
A Vote for Rudy Why Giuliani should be president

RINO alert!
5 posted on 12/08/2006 2:42:34 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: NapkinUser

As I have stated on many other threads about the election of Rudy, I will never vote for him for anything, period!


6 posted on 12/08/2006 2:43:30 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Uncledave
Would someone please post the graphic of the "Aw Jeeez, not this s**t again!" guy?

Thank You.

7 posted on 12/08/2006 2:45:11 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NapkinUser
Thanks for posting those reasons why we should not support Giuliani.
8 posted on 12/08/2006 2:45:48 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Tancredo/Paul 2008)
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To: Uncledave

Didn't take long for the Rudy haters to show up...


9 posted on 12/08/2006 2:46:13 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Uncledave

Yes.


10 posted on 12/08/2006 2:47:02 PM PST by Jim Noble (Chairman, FR Rudy for President 2008 Caucus)
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To: Uncledave

Short of the only two choices being Guliani and McCain, I cannot see myself voting for him IN THE PRIMARY.


11 posted on 12/08/2006 2:48:21 PM PST by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el ingles)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree. Let them post this crap on Guiliani's website instead of intruding on us with this drivel. Rudy's a power mad autocrat who doesn't give a damn about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Bill Clinton with an (R).


12 posted on 12/08/2006 2:50:48 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Uncledave

If you want an idea of how Giuliani would govern take a look at Arnold of California. They are RINOs of a similar stripe.


13 posted on 12/08/2006 2:51:34 PM PST by scory
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To: Uncledave
As mayor of New York he administered some of the nation’s toughest laws against gun ownership

If Rudy is the Republican nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him. If he will change is stance on gun ownership I will campaign for him. If he will change his position on Partial Birth Abortion and gun ownership I will send money to his campaign and campaign for him.

14 posted on 12/08/2006 2:55:02 PM PST by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash and proud of it, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This is a new article by a respected writer for Nat Review -- makes for a perfectly reasonable post.

No need to call in the Aw Jeeez dude.


15 posted on 12/08/2006 2:57:02 PM PST by Uncledave
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett."

If Giuliani had a "D" next to himself instead of that "R", I bet you'd oppose him.

I swear sometimes I think the 2008 election could be between democrat Hillary Clinton and party-switcher republican Edward Kennedy and some people here would be saying "we need to vote for Kennedy to stop Hillary!"


16 posted on 12/08/2006 2:57:12 PM PST by NapkinUser (Tom Tancredo for president of the United States of America in 2008!)
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To: Uncledave

Giuliani will be a great president. I'm looking forward to it.


17 posted on 12/08/2006 2:58:49 PM PST by inkling
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To: scory
If you want an idea of how Giuliani would govern take a look at Arnold of California. They are RINOs of a similar stripe.

How insulting. Giuliani makes Arnold Schwarzenegger look like Tom Coburn. Why would the GOP nominate a man for President who is to the left of the national Democratic Party?

18 posted on 12/08/2006 2:59:47 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Ingtar

I won't vote for either of the two. We don't need another Bob Dole election.


19 posted on 12/08/2006 3:00:15 PM PST by Racer1
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To: Alter Kaker

LOL.

Really, though, I think they share a good deal. Both are uber-left on social issues, center-right on fiscal issues and pretty much right on things like national defense and crime.

I would take McCain over Rudy and I find it virtually impossible to vote for McCain.


20 posted on 12/08/2006 3:02:58 PM PST by scory
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