It's a Cheney! (Reality Is a Blessed Event)

washingtonpost.com ^ | 12/8/06 | Ruth Marcus

[beyond the sea]

My only regret about Mary Cheney's pregnancy is that it didn't happen earlier -- say, during the 2004 presidential race, when Cheney was working for her father's campaign and his running mate was busy trying to write discrimination against people like her into the Constitution.

Imagine a hugely pregnant Mary Cheney sitting in the vice president's box at the convention. Imagine Cheney and her partner, Heather Poe, cuddling their newborn onstage at the victory celebration.

How perfectly that would have illustrated the clanging disconnect between the Republican Party's outmoded intolerance and the benign reality of gay families today.

[beyond the sea]

"the benign reality of gay families" -----

Hmmm.

[beyond the sea]

"I think it's tragic that a child has been conceived with the express purpose of denying it a father," pronounced Robert Knight of the Media Research Center. The couple, he said is seeking to "create a culture that is based on sexual anarchy instead of marriage and family values." ----

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I don't know about the couple "seeking a culture that is based on sexual anarchy instead of marriage and family values", but they sure are going to assist in it.

(jmo)

[beyond the sea]

More than half of the Fortune 500 companies offered health benefits for domestic partners this year

I'll bet that insurance costs a pretty penny.

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"See this? See that? Don't put this in that."

[beyond the sea]

"Put another way, gay marriage -- an idea that has been banned by all but one of 27 states that have voted on it -- has become a fact of life inside many big companies," the magazine said.

Perhaps, just another way that money and greed is a large part in the destruction of our society as it was known?

[Sunsong]

Give it up already. This is nobody's business but the Cheney's.

[beyond the sea]

Give it up already. This is nobody's business but the Cheney's.

Hey genius, tell it to the Washington Post, Ruth Marcus, and everyone who she alertly mentions in the article.

Maybe you should just get some shut eye.

[Lurker]

It seems to me that if folks are truly concerned about the Cheney family they ought to offer up a short sincere prayer to the Big Guy asking Him to watch over and protect everyone involved.

Then they ought to go back and reread that little piece in Matthew about beams and motes in peoples eyes.

(Thanks to BigSkyFreeper for the memory jog about Matthew.)

L

[Caipirabob]

There is no other defining factor in homosexuality other than the chosen manner of alleged, attempted sexual intercourse. I can't equate the term "Gay Family" to anything other than a situation where small children have perverted sexual concepts inflicted upon them in an effort to reprogram nature and produce a societal deviant. It is truly sickeing.

[Ingtar]

Just because I have a beam in my eye does not mean that the mote in their eye is not cancerous. The one who said this also said in Leviticus 18:

22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

23Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

...

30Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

To me it seems to be not so much a mote in God's eyes.

[Caipirabob]

"Mommy, where do babies come from?"

[beyond the sea]

I can't equate the term "Gay Family" to anything other than a situation where small children have perverted sexual concepts inflicted upon them in an effort to reprogram nature and produce a societal deviant.

Pretty much agree.

[beyond the sea]

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[Lurker]

Just because I have a beam in my eye does not mean that the mote in their eye is not cancerous.

Kindly point out to me where God made it your business.

"Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord."

Now I ain't claiming to be as eloquent as God. I generally put it this way: "Mind your own damned business."

I usually follow that up with something like "Keep your hands to yourself."

And not to nitpick, but I see old Leviticus said that men shouldn't lie with men as women and women shouldn't lie with beasts. But where exactly did it say that women shouldn't lay with women as they lay with men?

If I'm not mistaken Leviticus is Old Testament when folk were laying with wives and handmaidens by the basketful. Those must have been some days.

Looks like old Levi didn't cover all the laying people could do when they were getting laid, so to speak.

L

[beyond the sea]

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[Ingtar]

It became my business when people began trying to cram it into society as normal. And this does not make me hate Mary Cheney or her partner. What happens to them over this is between them and God. I am deeply saddened for the child, who has no choice. And deeply saddened for them that they have allowed themselves to be made into an agenda talking point. I hope some good comes of this, but I cannot see it.

[kellynch]

Why would people *choose* to be pariahs?

[Lurker]

It became my business when people began trying to cram it into society as normal.

Ah yes, the old "They forced to play God" routine. That's about as tolerant an attitude as your average jihadi if you ask me.

Best of luck with that. Do let us know how it works out for you.

I hope some good comes of this,

The Vice President is going to have a grandchild. A grandchild I'm sure given his daughters proclivities he was sure he was never going to have. I suppose being happy for Mr. and Mrs. Cheney is completely out of the question.

but I cannot see it.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

L

[beyond the sea]

well said

(jmo)

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[raybbr]

Mary Cheney and her partner Heather Poe
were joined by Mary's niece Kate
and the rest of the Cheney clan
at President Bush's victory rally on Nov. 3.

Yuck!

[MadIvan]

I'm getting fed up with this issue - it's flogging a dead horse. After all the people getting upset and complaining, what exactly is going to be changed - Mary Cheney is pregnant, she is going to have the baby, and she is going to raise that child with the help of her "partner" and hopefully her parents.

Nothing we say here is going to change that. Screaming that the world is going to end is useless.

Regards, Ivan

[beyond the sea]

Hmmm .......... we must work on the little girl (Kate's) posture.

Or maybe she's just a little bit irked to be photographed.

;-)

[Lurker]

Yuck!

Real classy ray.

But no matter. They may not be all that attractive on the outside. Your kind of ugly however goes all the way to the bone.

L

[Lurker]

I'm getting fed up with this issue

You and me both my friend.

I wasn't the first to say it, but I'll be one to repeat it. We should be overjoyed that the Cheneys will be grandparents.

I'm sure they were pretty certain that wasn't in the cards for them. Now they have a real blessing and just in time for the Holidays.

L

[NavVet]

"The benign reality of gay families" right.....

The post doesn't mention the studies showing how screwed up kids who grow up in such "families" become.

[Caipirabob]

Why would people *choose* to be pariahs?

They can't reach out in the manner that people adequately adjusted to society do. I believe it is derived from sort of mental illness. It's certainly not genetic, I mean, a species of gays would be pretty short lived, wouldn't it? And from a naturalist perspective, I don't think human beings are genetically programmed for suicide as a species.

Good question, though. Based on my own thinking, it's quite possible many of them are at a point where they cannot choose. They need our help and as conservatives, the compassionate thing to do is to ask "Why?"

We don't hate gays, we want to help them. We can't alienate them from society, but we can't go on allowing liberal socialists to permit them to behave like an ongoing freak show that has open license for recruitment among children. They are here for our entertainment and they can't have our children, either.

[Princip. Conservative]

"Mary Cheney and her partner Heather Poe
were joined by Mary's niece Kate
and the rest of the Cheney clan
at President Bush's victory rally on Nov. 3."

They look so gross!

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Nothing we say here is going to change that. Screaming that the world is going to end is useless."

So it's OK for the left to use it as pro-gay propaganda. But if a conservative deigns to speak it's "Shut up" or "It's none of you d*** business!".

Right.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"We should be overjoyed that the Cheneys will be grandparents."

We should be in mourning over the fact that our vaunted conservative leaders embrace and accept degeneracy in their own family. The child is blameless. The daughter and her "spouse" are sick.

This is not a pro-homosexual site - in case you haven't noticed.

[MadIvan]

So it's OK for the left to use it as pro-gay propaganda. But if a conservative deigns to speak it's "Shut up" or "It's none of you d*** business!".

You've already spoken about it. You've spoken about it ad nauseam. Your point of view is clear. As none of us, I hope, is going to call on Mary Cheney to have an abortion, this pregnancy and birth is happening; you've made it clear that you're unhappy. The question is are you going to continue to flog this particular dead horse and look like an obsessive nut, or are you going to realise that you've spoken up, said what you wanted to say, and there is a time that it's pretty pointless to keep repeating yourself. We rightfully criticise Al Gore for going over old ground whenever he talks about the 2000 election - he had his say, he lost, it looks pathetic for him to return to it - why should it be any better when we conservatives do it?

Ivan

[PetroniusMaximus]

"We rightfully criticise Al Gore for going over old ground whenever he talks about the 2000 election - he had his say, he lost, it looks pathetic for him to return to it - why should it be any better when we conservatives do it?"



Rubbish.

As far as I can tell, this story hit on the 6th. Not nearly enough time for a propper flogging,(and I personally have never posted about it). Why the rush to shut the discussion down??? There seems to be a sizable group here that doesn't want any discussion of the matter - maybe to keep FR from appearing as homophobic.

Awhile back, a Russian priest performed a same-sex marriage in an Orthodox Church. The Church leadership, upon hearing of this, had the church burnt, torn down, hauled off and the land was salted.

We have been so anesthetized by our culture that we accept these abominations as normal.

[kellynch]

Why can't it be genetic? And, if it were a mental illness, it would be possible, at some point, to cure it. Phyllis Schlafly has a son who's gay. Laura Ingraham has a brother who is gay. Dick and Lynne Cheney have a lesbian daughter. I have a gay cousin. I grew up next door to a family whose youngest son was gay. It happens in every family. It happens in every culture. There have been homosexuals since the dawn of time. They are not going away, whether or not you approve of them.

[MadIvan]

As far as I can tell, this story hit on the 6th. Not nearly enough time for a propper flogging,(and I personally have never posted about it). Why the rush to shut the discussion down??? There seems to be a sizable group here that doesn't want any discussion of the matter - maybe to keep FR from appearing as homophobic.

There are many threads on this topic, with hundreds of posts. All points of view has been heard. Enoch Powell once said that he didn't fancy the idea of writing a biography because it was like returning to one's own vomit - seeing these threads are all much of a muchness of the same type. Your point has been repeated over and over. When is it done? When have you had enough of a whinge and moan about it? Because, as has been stated, the final result is your complaint will be registered and...that's it. Mary Cheney is going to have the baby. Now, if public funds had been used, then you might have a say on this being done in future cases of this type; however, it looks like she did it on her own - thus your say on what she can do with her life is very limited.

Your paranoia about some group wanting to shut down the discussion because of FR being perceived as "homophobic" isn't true. The truth of the matter is that you're being boring and pointless, and tearing each other to pieces over this issue is just as boring and pointless.

For my part, I'm not going to discuss this any further - I've registered my opinion - being an obsessive loon on this issue isn't going to help or change anything - you are free to be an obsessive loon and be crazed and dull at the same time. I choose not to be. Bye for now.

Ivan

[beyond the sea]

"The benign reality of gay families" right..... .........The post doesn't mention the studies showing how screwed up kids who grow up in such "families" become.

I'm not so sure that is nearly always so.

There is much to be said on this subject. It's not as imple as you seem to suggest.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"you are free to be an obsessive loon and be crazed and dull at the same time. I choose not to be. Bye for now."


You can't divorce conservatism from morality - as "boring" as that might seem to you.

[beyond the sea]

Mary Cheney and her partner Heather Poe

Mary's very pretty.

Mary's partner looks like Sam Waterston.

(a very handsome man)

[beyond the sea]

I believe it is derived from sort of mental illness. It's certainly not genetic, I mean, a species of gays would be pretty short lived, wouldn't it?

Silly thinking.

Just because they (gays) cannot conceive together does not mean that at times being homosexual isn’t caused by birth factors.

[Lurker]

look like an obsessive nut,

One small correction: prove yourself to be an obsessive nut.

Regards,

L

[beyond the sea]

The Vice President is going to have a grandchild. A grandchild I'm sure given his daughters proclivities he was sure he was never going to have. I suppose being happy for Mr. and Mrs. Cheney is completely out of the question.

Good point. I hope that they are as happy as they can be about this circumstance.

[Lurker]

This is not a pro-homosexual site

But it is a pro-Freedom site which you obviously haven't noticed.

This doesn't cost you a dime. No government funds are involved. No public policy is being legislated.

Therefore it's not really any of your business.

If you want to go into mourning and where a black armband feel free. In fact I recommend it. It'll make it easier for the rest of us to spot an approaching nut job.

Have a wonderful day.

L

[beyond the sea]

The post doesn't mention the studies showing how screwed up kids who grow up in such "families" become.

Details please, and backgrounds of the sources also.

Why don't you fill everyone in on that since you bring up the subject.

;-)

[PetroniusMaximus]

If I am an "obsessive nut" for defending the idea of the traditional family then so be it, fella.

Let me point you to the founder of this site's statement regarding it's philosophy...

"As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism,..."

[Lurker]

Just because they (gays) cannot conceive together does not mean that at times being homosexual isn’t caused by birth factors.

The argument is akin to saying that because mules can't breed they can't be bred.

It's foolishness.

The human genome hasn't been fully mapped, let alone fully studied. It's entirely possible it's genetic. It's also entirely possible it's not. It's also entirely possible that it's partly genetic and partly upbringing.

No one really knows. Any one who says they do is a fool or a liar.

L

[REPANDPROUDOFIT]

More than half of the Fortune 500 companies offered health benefits for domestic partners this year I'll bet that insurance costs a pretty penny.

I would think the cost would go up across the board - not on an individual basis. The likelihood of AIDS would definitely raise the red flag. In this "politically correct" world, the insurance carrier would probably raise the overall premium for the company's coverage. Each employee would be treated (charged) equally.You wouldn't single out the high- risk ones.

[PetroniusMaximus]

" This doesn't cost you a dime. No government funds are involved. No public policy is being legislated. Therefore it's not really any of your business."


Excuse me, but I'll be the one to decide what is, or is not my business. Your tired argument sound like something I would expect to hear from some burnt-out hippy professor. "It's a private matter, it's just about sex etc." ad nauseam.

It IS my business that the Vice President's daughter is publicly putting herself and her deviancy in the spotlight. She is setting an example, she is making a statement - and the Cheney's sit silently by while she promotes pollution in our culture.

She is being used by the left as a posterchild for their pet issues. By virtue of the public nature of this event, it is open to public criticism.

[Lurker]

Please don't let me stop you.

Grab yourself a sign, put on a black armband, and march around in front of the Cheney household. I'm sure some members of the Westboro Baptist Church would love to help you out with that.

Feel free to make yourself look like the pathetic hate filled little busybody you seem to be. It's no skin off my nose.

And please explain just how exactly you're 'defending' a traditional family by spouting this foppish nonsense? If you'll look closely at the clip you posted, this site opposes 'government enforced... homosexualism'.

Please explain to me how this is an example of the government enforcing homosexuality. I'd be fascinated to read your answer to that.

This is two consenting adults engaging in behavior that, if they weren't related to famous people, you would never have heard of.

But you want the Vice President and his wife to put on sack cloth and ashes over it apparently.

Well best of luck with the mourning period. I'd recommend a good hot shower after hanging with the Phelps crowd.

L

[Lurker]

Excuse me, but I'll be the one to decide what is, or is not my business

Of course you will Senator Clinton.

L