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San Francisco fights over its character **BARF ALERT**
Associated Press ^ | JUSTIN M. NORTON

Posted on 12/09/2006 4:23:23 PM PST by Kitten Festival

SAN FRANCISCO - An effort to clean up some of the city's seedier neighborhoods and rid the streets of junkies, hookers and runaways has run headlong into San Francisco's free-to-be-who-you-are ethos.

Nearly four decades after the Summer of Love, residents and merchants frustrated with what they regard as blight are turning to the city for help or taking revitalization into their own hands.

But other residents of the Tenderloin district and Haight-Ashbury contend a crackdown would rob their neighborhoods of their identity and violate everything San Francisco stands for.

Joey Cain, a board member of the Haight-Ashbury Neighborhood Council, complained that those who would drive the vagrants from the neighborhood are turning their backs on the Haight's "historic obligation" to shelter the downtrodden.

This is, after all, the city that proved so appealing to the Beats, the hippies and practically every other brand of noncomformist.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: bums; california; crime; filth; leftists; liberlland; sanfrancisco; sanfransickovalues; sf
These leftist lunatics are in fine form, arguing for the right to filth and dissolution throughout San Francisco. They consider basic hygiene "brutal gentrification squads" - and I kid you not.

The whole thing, if you have a strong enough stomach, must be read to be believed.

1 posted on 12/09/2006 4:23:27 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival

Was just there and the place is a mess!!

"You can get around by the kindness of people's hearts," said Jaclyn, a 25-year-old who would only give her first name"

Wonder how far Jaclyn plans to go in life living on kindness? What a wing nut!!


2 posted on 12/09/2006 4:30:47 PM PST by xowboy
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To: xowboy

You know what's striking to me - I lived there 15 years ago and these were the exact same issues. It's like this stupid place never changes or grows, it's still the same dog returning to its vomit, again and again and again. Nothing ever changes in that place, the stupidity is its permafrost. Call it permastupidity.


3 posted on 12/09/2006 4:35:43 PM PST by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival
the head shops are mixed with chain stores and trendy cafes.

Chain stores? Is that what they are calling the McDonalds at Stanyan and Haight?

4 posted on 12/09/2006 4:35:43 PM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: Kitten Festival

“San Francisco fights over its character”

That boat has sailed.


5 posted on 12/09/2006 4:41:35 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Kitten Festival

last time i was in CA we drove thru Sf while going from palo alto to sausilito.
we didn't stop in SF--just drove thru. i couldn't think of any reason to stop there.
(i hadn't been in CA for almost 40 years). we probably missed out on SOMETHING, but i can always read about it on the internet.


6 posted on 12/09/2006 4:42:13 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Kitten Festival
You are 100% correct. And this is the "progressive city---so very sophisticated". Makes ya sick
7 posted on 12/09/2006 4:43:39 PM PST by xowboy
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To: Kitten Festival
San Francisco is a modern day Sodom & Gomorrah. I fear that someday He will deliver a terrible and swift righteous judgment upon it.
8 posted on 12/09/2006 4:49:50 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Kitten Festival
"An effort to...rid the streets of junkies, hookers and runaways...would...violate everything San Francisco stands for."

Uh...er...um...uh... What could anyone with an IQ above 70 say in response to that???

9 posted on 12/09/2006 5:17:18 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.")
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To: Kitten Festival

I read the whole thing. I guess they really don't realize that San Francisco has no character to lose.


10 posted on 12/09/2006 5:31:23 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Kitten Festival

I have no desire to go there.


11 posted on 12/09/2006 6:20:08 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Kitten Festival

Well things will change in a few years due to unchecked immigration. The Chinese will probably take over the City in a short time. The drugged up liberals are a dying breed cause they have aborted all there children, or died of AIDS. When the Chinese finally decide that they can make more money if the place was cleaned up, things will change quickly.


12 posted on 12/09/2006 6:25:31 PM PST by Exton1
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To: Kitten Festival
San Francisco's image as a city that accepts all comers

That's part of the problem.

13 posted on 12/09/2006 6:31:44 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Kitten Festival

One of the first things Mayor Moron Newsom said he would do would be to get rid of the bums (er, homeless). Instead, one of the first things he did was to illegally peform GAY marriages. As everyone knows, he hasn't done ONE thing to get rid of the homeless on the streets. I'm a SF native & resident. In the Marina, just a few days ago, a man was urinating right on Chestnut street. I couldn't believe it. The reason is, people pay them to stay. Every time you plunk money into their cup, you are paying them to stay. They may be homeless, but they're not fools. They're going to stay where they're being paid.


14 posted on 12/09/2006 6:39:42 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

oops, peform = perform


15 posted on 12/09/2006 6:42:30 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: Kitten Festival

HaHa. This is why SF's population went down from 776,733 (2000) to 745,774 (2003). It will always attract a share of hippies, but while the rest of the country is growing, SF is shrinking. In a few years, it will not even be in the top 20 cities in terms of population (in 2003, it was 18th; it may already be out of the top 20). It's something that places like SF and Detroit are shrinking, while Sunbelt towns in Arizona, Florida, and Texas are growing. People are voting for political ideas with their feet.


16 posted on 12/09/2006 7:09:11 PM PST by jagrmeister
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To: Kitten Festival

"An effort to clean up some of the city's seedier neighborhoods and rid the streets of junkies, hookers and runaways has run headlong into San Francisco's free-to-be-who-you-are ethos."

You forgot the homeless. I remember going there 5 years ago and seeing 5-6 homeless in a huge, drunken brawl in front of city hall.

Then I crossed the bay, saw Berkeley and was even more disgusted.


17 posted on 12/09/2006 7:44:22 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Kitten Festival

San Franciscan's need to all join Bum-anon, 'cuz they are all enablers and don't realize it.


18 posted on 12/09/2006 7:51:26 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
In the Marina, just a few days ago, a man was urinating right on Chestnut street. I couldn't believe it.

What are you complaining about? I've seen bums dropping their pants, letting their crap fall to the curb along Market Street in the Civic Center. All while busy traffic of cars, buses, and pedestrians flow around the bums and watch in horror. Local businesses don't just hose down the sidewalks in front of their stores - they have to hose the walls, too. Some bums lower their pants, lean against the wall, and the crap slides down the wall. I've also seen them do this in the BART subway station hallways near stairwells to Market Street.

You're right about one thing - Mayor Newsom is a total failure as a mayor. All he does is cater to the gays and their idiot agendas.

19 posted on 12/09/2006 11:09:21 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Exton1

What percentage of the population is the Chinese in SF?


20 posted on 12/09/2006 11:16:59 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (Everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: jagrmeister
Americans get to see close up San Fransicko values in Congress next year. Sodom By The Bay.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

21 posted on 12/09/2006 11:26:44 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Savage Beast
The tourist sights are incredible. Trust me though, I couldn't afford to live there. Housing is uber-expensive.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

22 posted on 12/09/2006 11:29:48 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MinorityRepublican

A huge percentage out in the Richmond district, and Sunset district. And most are ILLEGALS with anchor babies.


23 posted on 12/10/2006 1:45:11 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: A message

LOL! I remember when anarchists on the Haight did some illegal things to chain stores. And that horrible drugstore on Haight Street (Upper Haight) which fought tooth and nail to keep any drugstore chain out.


24 posted on 12/10/2006 1:47:01 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: roadcat

I've seen the homeless doing it on Market Street, and The Gays doing it in the bushes in the park. Buenavista Park in the Haight is where there are hustlers, but because of the Gay Agenda, the city looks the other way.

And the windmills in the GG Park. Again, the Gay Agenda rules, and looks the other way. White liberals get disgusted, but, have conflicts with their liberalism about things like that.


25 posted on 12/10/2006 1:49:31 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: jagrmeister

We finally left. In June.

I'm breathing a HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF!


26 posted on 12/10/2006 1:50:34 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: Exton1

You're 100% right.


27 posted on 12/10/2006 1:51:21 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

I can not stand Mayor Moron, and you're totally right. I don't know if you remember me, but we moved to Santa Rosa, and it's fantastic.


28 posted on 12/10/2006 1:52:21 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: xowboy
Wonder how far Jaclyn plans to go in life living on kindness?

She's 25. Wait til she's 55, a druggie, sick and homeless and see how many people will toss her a quarter.

29 posted on 12/10/2006 1:58:15 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: goldstategop
Trust me though, I couldn't afford to live there.

I suppose homelessness is not an option? ;-)

30 posted on 12/10/2006 2:00:05 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: BunnySlippers
If they offer me a duplex and someone else pays the mortgage, I'll reconsuder San Francisco. Otherwise no can do.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

31 posted on 12/10/2006 2:09:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
The reason is, people pay them to stay. Every time you plunk money into their cup, you are paying them to stay. They may be homeless, but they're not fools. They're going to stay where they're being paid.

I'll never forget my first day in the bay area. The company flew me into SFO and put me up in a hotel on 8th and Market. Being a wide eyed Midwesterner I took a walk the first night several blocks down Market and back to take in some sights. I was panhandled at least 5 times. One of those panhandlers I gave $5.

When I returned to the hotel I stopped in the lobby bar and while talking to the bartender I told him what I did. The bartender became very serious and told me never do that again. He went on to say how many of the panhandlers can make 20,000- 25,000 dollars a year begging, tax free. Begging is a business in SF.

I've learned since then the best way to politely blow off a begger is say to them when panhandled, " I've already given to someone today." They'll leave you alone with that line.

32 posted on 12/10/2006 4:19:43 AM PST by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: roadcat

I'm complaining because it was Moron Newsom's campaign promise that he would do something to clean up the homeless situation. It was an empty campaign promise, as we have seen. With all these stories of bums relieving themselves publicly (uh, can't you freepers make your images a little less graphic?), maybe I'll call the mayor's office to complain.


33 posted on 12/10/2006 6:11:05 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband

Hi, yes, I remember you! I haven't seen your name in a long time. Congratulations on making it out of the city. < :D


34 posted on 12/10/2006 6:15:43 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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