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Modern day Gog and Magog
ynetnews.com ^ | Published: 12.10.06, 21:46 | Ines Ehrlich

Posted on 12/10/2006 1:03:27 PM PST by F15Eagle

Current world events are beginning to increasingly resemble the 2,500 year old bible prophecy made by Ezekiel in chapters 38-39. Ezekiel foresaw the rise of Russia (or Turkey, depending on the interpretation) in a coalition with Iran and other Middle Eastern countries (Sudan, Ethiopia and Libya).

The coalition is foretold to attack Israel from the north in a bid to destroy it during the earth's "last days," commonly known as the "war of Gog and Magog."

Throughout history it was thought that the prophecy had been put on hold, until perhaps today when it seems frighteningly more feasible.

In Joel C. Rosenberg's book "The Ezekiel Option," the author points to Ezekiel's prophecies in chapters 36-37, which have largely come true.

Rosenberg then asks the obvious question: If prophecies such as "the rebirth of the State of Israel, the return of the Jews to the Holy Land after centuries in exile, the re-blossoming of desolate desert land to produce abundant food, fruit and foliage, and the creation of an exceedingly great army" materialized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, then why shouldn't the next prophecies come true in our lifetime?

Let's try and place the biblical names and locations into today's reality, and see the parallel unfolding of events:

Gog is commonly believed to represent a person's name rather than a place, a tyrannical leader who may hatch an evil plan – in today's reality this "honor" could be most suited to the President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, or perhaps Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon .

Magog, according to some scholars, refers to Russia and the republics of the former Soviet Union, or perhaps Turkey. Others will argue that the exact location has not been fully ascertained and that the word Magog may simply be a generalization for an enemy of Israel, leaving the location open.

Under attack

According to the prophecy in question, "many peoples with you" who will attack along "the mountains of Israel" implies that other countries will be involved in the Russian (or Turkish), Iranian, Sudanese, Ethiopian and Libyan coalition, and who border on the mountains of Israel. This includes Lebanon, Syria and possibly Jordan as well.

Is it so farfetched to imagine the axis between Hizbullah, Iran and Syria, especially after the second war in Lebanon when these three forces overtly united and continue to support each other's goal to destroy Israel?

In his book, Rosenberg notes a conspicuous absence of Egypt and Iraq in the original prophecy, which also makes a lot of sense at this point in time. Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1979 and Iraq is embroiled in its own war of survival and both are unlikely to join a coalition against Israel.

According to the prophecy Magog "will build a military coalition and prepare a strike against Israel." Gog "will use overwhelming force against Israel" - could this be referring to nuclear force? And his coalition will "come like a storm…like a cloud covering the land."

But let's not become hysterical. According to the prophecy, there is no need for Israel to become alarmed, "as the Lord God will bring judgment upon the enemies of Israel beginning with Gog (the tyrant)."

Ezekial prophesies a great earthquake and the turning of Gog's forces against each other. The next step, which prophesies God subjecting the enemy to "pestilence, blood, torrential rains, hailstones and fire from heaven," is unclear and sounds like someone pressed the nuclear button, and if so, then who, and who in the region would survive it?

But as in all happy endings, Israel, it is prophesied, will regain its economic prosperity.

So the question remains: Should we wait for future developments and hope for the best, or look more closely at Ezekiel's prophecy and consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the "anti-Israel coalition?"

With this said, Ezekiel's prophecy says nothing about an Israeli pre-emptive strike to avert a possible attack – and indeed, it appears such strike is unlikely considering the current state of our dubious, weak leadership.


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1 posted on 12/10/2006 1:03:29 PM PST by F15Eagle
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To: Cindy; yonif; Alouette; Yehuda; dennisw; Lent; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; rdb3; mhking; MeekOneGOP; ..

fyi


2 posted on 12/10/2006 1:04:45 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle
So the question remains: Should we wait for future developments and hope for the best, or look more closely at Ezekiel's prophecy and consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the "anti-Israel coalition?"

A preemptive action will not change a thing. If G_d said it, it is gonna happen just as He said.

3 posted on 12/10/2006 1:10:48 PM PST by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: F15Eagle; Petruchio

BTTT!


4 posted on 12/10/2006 1:12:16 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: F15Eagle

Which ever way it goes, Jerusalem is going to get squashed by a really big cube, (or pyramid), at the end anyway.

:P


5 posted on 12/10/2006 1:13:16 PM PST by Enosh
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To: GretchenM

ping


6 posted on 12/10/2006 1:14:21 PM PST by SnarlinCubBear ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." -- Thomas Mann)
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To: growlingrizzlybear

ping


7 posted on 12/10/2006 1:15:09 PM PST by SnarlinCubBear ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." -- Thomas Mann)
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To: F15Eagle

Prescription for Ines Ehrlich: in the evening, 6000 drops [86 proof or better]. In the morning 2000 drops more. The regimen is to be kept for at least a week.


8 posted on 12/10/2006 1:18:52 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Enosh

LOL, well maybe not "squashed" ... :)


9 posted on 12/10/2006 1:20:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GSlob

LOL...repeat process until tranquility is reached.


10 posted on 12/10/2006 1:20:23 PM PST by evad
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To: F15Eagle

'Gog of Magog' means GeOrGe (Bush) son of GeOrGe (Bush) - I saw it on the 'net!

http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com/2005/02/land-of-magog-part-one.html


11 posted on 12/10/2006 1:20:28 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: F15Eagle

I hear Turkye has more fresh water reserves than any country on earth (not counting the caps obviously). Fresh water is supposed to be the oil of the 21st century and beyond.


12 posted on 12/10/2006 1:22:13 PM PST by kinghorse (calls them like I sees them)
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To: hlmencken3

LOL - oh brother!!!


13 posted on 12/10/2006 1:23:13 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle

hehe


14 posted on 12/10/2006 1:24:18 PM PST by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: F15Eagle
The coalition is foretold to attack Israel from the north in a bid to destroy it during the earth's "last days," commonly known as the "war of Gog and Magog."

The "last days" in this case are at the end of the millennium, the 1000 years that Christ is physically reigning on earth:

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This corresponds to Ezekiel chapter 38:

Eze 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Eze 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

The way we know this is that Revelation says this occurs after the thousand years, and Ezekiel says that it happens when those in Israel are living in safety:

Eze 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Israel is NOT a land of unwalled villages. They do not dwell safely. They will only be this way during the millennium.

15 posted on 12/10/2006 1:25:54 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: F15Eagle

Isaiah 17 countdown:

http://www.raptureready.com/soap/countdown.html

"Prelude to Ezekiel 38?

It appears that a coalition based on mutual interest has been formed between Iran, Russia, and Syria. They intend to exploit the weaknesses discovered in Israel's war with Lebanon by preparing a pre-emptive attack designed to prevent Israel from destroying Iran's Russian built nuclear capability should the need arise.

In the UN, an agreement has been reached that will exempt Russia's reactor building program in any sanctions against Iran. This was done to get Russia's cooperation. Apparently Russia's 10 reactor deal with Iran will proceed unhampered.

From Moscow this week, Israeli PM Olmert warned again that, "We don't have the privilege to allow a situation in which Iran has the capability for unconventional weapons." (In reply Iranian Pres. Ahmadinejad declared, "There is no reason for Israel, the greatest insult to human dignity, to exist. It will soon disappear.")

Despite these words of warning, experts say that Israel is so preoccupied with assessing the blame for its failure to neutralize Hezbollah that it's paying scant attention to gearing up for the next attack."


16 posted on 12/10/2006 1:26:26 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Petruchio
A preemptive action will not change a thing. If G_d said it, it is gonna happen just as He said.

My first thought also. Our arms are too short to box with God.

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 12/10/2006 1:26:40 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: kinghorse

Some have said that Turkey can turn off the Ataturk Dam (sp) and dry up the Euphrates at will ... I don't know if this is true for 100% certain ... but one guy said Iraq and Syria at one time protested.

Revelation 16:12 KJV
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=euphrates&version1=9&searchtype=all&spanbegin=73&spanend=73


18 posted on 12/10/2006 1:28:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: F15Eagle
Ezekiel also prophesied that Egypt would be uninhabited by humans or animals for forty years after being destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar.

Didn't happen, so obviously this is another attempt to


19 posted on 12/10/2006 1:29:33 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: F15Eagle

At one point they thought the Mongols came from either Gog and Magog, or Tartarus [one of the reasons they called them 'Tartars'].


20 posted on 12/10/2006 1:30:54 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: DouglasKC

Many believe that those are two different prophecies. Israel would no doubt be urged to take down the (very successful) wall by the AC in Daniel 8:25 (further explained in Daniel 11:38-39).

So some see this as occurring after a false peace has been offered Israel. Certainly her enemies aren't going to be satisfied with a Palestinian "state". The entire eradication of Israel will be their continual goal.

Guess we'll see how it plays out ...


21 posted on 12/10/2006 1:35:20 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: qam1

I haven't read that one. Where is it in Ezekiel? I'd like to look it over.


22 posted on 12/10/2006 1:39:38 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Petruchio
Reminds me of a movie I saaw years ago:

This guy has a repetitive dream that he's on a train which crashes into another train. One day, he's on a train and all the scenes in his dream start to come true. He's very afraid and, to avert disaster, he pulls the cord to stop the train -- and thereby precipitates the crash.

23 posted on 12/10/2006 1:41:00 PM PST by expatpat
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To: F15Eagle

Bump.


24 posted on 12/10/2006 1:41:14 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: F15Eagle
"With this said, Ezekiel's prophecy says nothing about an Israeli pre-emptive strike..."

I see no better way for Isreal to piss off the russians enough to cause a counter attack than to destroy their reactors in Iran.

25 posted on 12/10/2006 1:41:23 PM PST by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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To: F15Eagle

In a year holding a three, or seven,
or five, or nine, or maybe not,
Two things, might be people, or armies,
or buildings,
Or anything really, blades of grass,
or stoats, or crapulous charlatans
spouting mimsy,
Might do something nebulous.
Insert made-up-bit here.

--Generic Nostradamus Quatrain from
"The Guardian" (U.K.)


26 posted on 12/10/2006 1:43:41 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: SENTINEL

Yes, that certainly would seem to be something that would considered (wrongly) a "provocative act" by Israel.

Nevermind the true provocation is Ahmadnutjob's declaration of his desire to wipe Israel off the face of the map.

If folks don't believe in the prophecy or fairly debate the timing (which I understand), even the most ardent skeptic can see a titanic battle between Israel and Iran brewing. And I don't think it's going away quietly.


27 posted on 12/10/2006 1:45:53 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Popocatapetl

Usually millennialism rises toward the end of the century, but since this is the beginning of a century we will be having monolingualism instead.


28 posted on 12/10/2006 1:47:11 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: F15Eagle

Great stuff. Can hardly wait.


29 posted on 12/10/2006 1:49:22 PM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: nothingnew

Frankly, Frank, I disagree.

If someone gives you the advantage of knowing what is going to occur, then this knowledge can be used to your advantage. Thus you can shape the outcome. Why was the outcome given to us?

Why did John and Ezekial time travel? So humans could see and document it through John and Ezekail. The choice is ours. If we do nothing other than have a drawn out fight, God will intervene. Then Christ will bail the whole situation out and sort the wheat from the chaff. Thats what the book says.

what happens if he is late?

we best be depending on ourselves

Also, I doubt this would be occurring if the ME was full of Christians....


30 posted on 12/10/2006 1:49:31 PM PST by himno hero
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To: F15Eagle

"Rosenberg notes a conspicuous absence of Egypt "
But, according to Ezekiel 38-5 (New International Version):
'Persia, Cush and Put will be with them', Bible Gateway reads Cush as being 'That is, the upper Nile region', and I take that as Egypt. Just a little point of debate.


31 posted on 12/10/2006 1:52:32 PM PST by gb63
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To: F15Eagle

"consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the anti-Israel coalition?" Biblical prophesies exist as messages from God.It would be impossible to stop a biblical prophesy from coming to fruition.


32 posted on 12/10/2006 1:54:01 PM PST by conservative blonde (Let's call the Jr. Senator from Illinois by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: GSlob

Single malt Scotch of course.


33 posted on 12/10/2006 1:55:18 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: gb63

Well, Egypt has F-16's, M-1's and is assembling M-1's under license inside their country.

And years ago we sold them one of our mos, if not most advanced, tank shells for the M-1.


34 posted on 12/10/2006 1:55:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GSlob

Are you aware that there are 456 drops in an ounce? This = 13 oz. That's a bit much.......


35 posted on 12/10/2006 1:56:16 PM PST by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: 353FMG

Does not have to be. I, for one, prefer old brandies, but de gustibus non disputandum est.


36 posted on 12/10/2006 1:57:12 PM PST by GSlob
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To: conservative blonde

yes, I read them as the history of things to come (which actually was used in "T2").


37 posted on 12/10/2006 1:57:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: bperiwinkle7

it very much depends on viscosity. Vodka drop is smaller, and a sugary and thicker liquor drop is bigger. For less viscous drinks 6000 drops is about 7 ounces.


38 posted on 12/10/2006 1:59:34 PM PST by GSlob
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To: F15Eagle
So the question remains: Should we wait for future developments and hope for the best, or look more closely at Ezekiel's prophecy and consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the "anti-Israel coalition?"

I submit a single actual policymaker citing prophecy as a reason for a foreign policy action would be grounds for immediate firing or impeachment.

Flame away.

39 posted on 12/10/2006 2:00:02 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: F15Eagle

I am not one for "Left Behind" speculation.

But the proliferation of nuclear technology and the financial wherewithal of this current Mideast crop of leaders has got me wondering.


40 posted on 12/10/2006 2:02:56 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: F15Eagle

"Turkey can turn off the Ataturk Dam (sp) and dry up the Euphrates at will ..."

Syria and Iraq will go thirsty. What do you think thirsty people do? Even Monaco and Lichtenstein would attack us if we denied them water.


41 posted on 12/10/2006 2:04:53 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: Strategerist
single actual policymaker citing prophecy as a reason for a foreign policy action would be grounds for immediate firing or impeachment

Oh I'm sure a majority would call for that. Rightly or wrongly. But it's also written that the Gospel isn't accepted by the majority anyways (Matthew 7:13 KJV), so the fact the majority would reject Biblical prophecy (and to be fair there have been misunderstandings) doesn't surprise me either.
42 posted on 12/10/2006 2:05:20 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: 353FMG

so it is true Turkey has this capability?


43 posted on 12/10/2006 2:06:43 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GSlob

I'm all for considering viscosity under every circumstance.


44 posted on 12/10/2006 2:10:34 PM PST by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

To be fair they didn't invent the concept but tried to describe in a series of (admittedly) poorly-written books.

As I said, regardless of what one believes or disbelieves, the intentions of Islam and neo-nazis is clear, and if they get a nuclear weapon in their hands (holding breath watching Pakistan, home of the Taliban) they WILL try to destroy Israel and then Israel would strike back with nuclear weapons.

And that day is approaching.

Had Osama bin Laden possessed a nuclear weapon on 9/10/2001, Manhattan or Washington, D.C. would have ceased to exist the next day. If he'd had two, Manhattan and D.C. would have been the targets I believe.


45 posted on 12/10/2006 2:11:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: GSlob

"Vodka drop is smaller, and a sugary and thicker liquor drop is bigger."

For an increase of volume per drop, freeze your Vodka.


46 posted on 12/10/2006 2:13:35 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG
'"Turkey can turn off the Ataturk Dam (sp) and dry up the Euphrates at will ..." "
And what to do with all the accumulating water? Pretty soon it will overflow, and could destroy the dam in the process, flushing down both syria and iraq. Would serve all of them right, though.
47 posted on 12/10/2006 2:15:07 PM PST by GSlob
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To: 353FMG

I've seen what 80 proof vodka becomes at -50F. Pretty thick.


48 posted on 12/10/2006 2:17:50 PM PST by GSlob
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To: F15Eagle; All

Actually, the prophecy I heard in 1985 included China in league with Russia and "all of their bands with them" - indicating other Muslim or anti-Israel countries. At the time this prophecy was given, Russia and China were enemies .. but they have since joined in league with each other.

The reason they will attack Israel is because Israel will use a limited nuke on Damascus (Isaiah 17:1 - The burden of Damascus. It will be taken away from being a city, it will become a ruinous heap.). I believe this attack will be the result of Israel being attacked with perhaps some sort of chemical or biological weapon from Syria (either directly or through the group in Lebanon). Enough people will die that Israel will forced to retalliate in a big way.

After the attack upon Damascus, the whole world (except America and the UK) will be wanting Israel's hide - and calling them the worst nation on the face of the earth - the only nation to use nuclear [not even NK or Iran used a nuke].

At the moment, the govt of Israel doesn't appear to be capable of doing this .. but circumstances of the attack may cause a change in policy - or even bring about a change in govt.

America does not appear to be involved in helping Israel - except maybe with armament and/or intel (at least according to the scriptures). But America and others will see the gathering storm against Israel, and be asking what they're up to.

When all those armies come from the north, they will be stopped by GOD. He's going to show up and defeat them all. The Bible clearly says that Israel will be harvesting the spoils for 7 years.

And .. on top of Mt. Carmel in the Valley of Miggido (where the actual conflict will take place) there is a TV transmitting tower. There will be a person there who will be filming this war: GOD against all those armies. Because of an Israeli TV blackout - only this station will be sending out the war images - and it will be narrated (by the guy at the tower) with Bible scriptures. When the world gets a look at THIS GOD .. they will be running to any building with the word "church" on it and asking: Do you know this GOD ..?? Our churches will be open 24/7 and millions of people will be saved. This will be the final harvest.

Is it time yet for this event ..?? I don't know. I'm watching for the incident in Damascus because I will then be sure of the coming events. How long it will take before or after Damascus, I have no idea.

But .. I do think Iran (with Syria's help) could be the fomenter of the attack against Israel which will start the ball rolling.

Like I said, I first heard this prophecy in 1985, and I still believe it today. While the scriptures clearly say, "even so, come Lord Jesus", I can see this prophecy beginning to take shape.


49 posted on 12/10/2006 2:17:55 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: F15Eagle

Thank you F15 Eagle for the ping.

We do live in interesting times.

The Bible tells me what has come and what will come
and is the book I look to for my daily living.

Our news media (in moments of factual reporting) tells us what
is here now. Blogs tells us what is on people's minds
in these interesting times.

Just a few thoughts.


50 posted on 12/10/2006 2:18:17 PM PST by Cindy
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