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Lab in lacrosse case found many DNA sources (DUKELAX)
The News and Observer ^ | December 13, 2006 | Joseph Neff and Benjamin Niolet, Staff Writers

Posted on 12/13/2006 1:36:38 PM PST by Howlin

A private laboratory hired by the prosecution in the Duke lacrosse case failed to report that it found DNA from multiple males in the accuser's body and underwear, according to a defense motion filed today. The lab, DNA Security of Burlington, found that the DNA did not match the three defendants, their lacrosse teammates or anyone else who submitted their DNA to police, including the accuser's boyfriend.

The new evidence emerged in thousands of documents handed over to the defense in October.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsobserver.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: anarchotyranny; crystalmangumbo; duke; dukelax; durhamdirtbag; firenifong; jailnifong; nifong; nifonggames; prosecutenifong; suenifong; travesty
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To: Ready4Freddy

Right, Bryant did not settle a criminal charge. He could not. But the case against him did collaspe just as the trial was about to start. That is not untypical in such cases.


1,201 posted on 12/15/2006 3:00:23 PM PST by JLS
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To: Neverforget01

No one except salivating evil ones wish any repeat of the LA Riots. The "gnu" black panthers, the whole scene, set, camera crew involved with this Durham case needs exorcism. Or extradition to their planet of origin.


1,202 posted on 12/15/2006 3:02:24 PM PST by Alia
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

They oughta charge that strumpet for trying to ruin these guys lives.


1,203 posted on 12/15/2006 3:03:07 PM PST by brwnsuga
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To: Alia

http://www.dilby.com/duke-accuser-information.htm

Woman charged in taxi theft, chase News and Observer (Raleigh, NC) June 24, 2002 Monday,,

Crystal Gail Mangum, 23, of 2111 Charles St. was charged with larceny of a motor vehicle, driving while impaired, assault with a deadlyweapon, damage to real property and resisting an officer, among otheroffenses, the warrant states.

Mangum allegedly drove the stolenblue Durham Taxi Associates cab toward a Durham County sheriff'sdeputy, forcing him to jump out of the way and causing $200 of damageto his 2002 Crown Victoria cruiser, the warrant states. The deputy hadstopped Mangum because he suspected her of driving while impaired, thereport states.

Mangum was taken to Durham County Jail and held on a $75,000 secured bond.
Crime Log The Herald-Sun (Durham, NC) June 23, 2002 Sunday


1,204 posted on 12/15/2006 3:03:34 PM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: Howlin

yucky....


1,205 posted on 12/15/2006 3:03:39 PM PST by brwnsuga
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To: Ohioan from Florida

"So does anyone know if performing a pregnancy test on a potential rape victim is a common procedure? I have no idea, but if others know, I would be interested in hearing about it."

Having been employed at Wash. U./Barnes Hospital Dept. of OB/GNY years ago, it was standard protocol both at Barnes and before that I was at St. Louis University Hospitals -- it was standard protocol there as well. Since they provide most of the Docs. in St. Louis, at least here in St. Louis is was standard then -- assume we haven't changed.


1,206 posted on 12/15/2006 3:04:18 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Jezebelle
Gee, you've brought up some tantalizing questions, that I can't answer. But things that we need to mull over.
1,207 posted on 12/15/2006 3:06:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JLS

I agree 100%


1,208 posted on 12/15/2006 3:06:07 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Jezebelle
Man, after reading this conglomeration of opinions my head is exploding. Call me terribly naive, but if her baby is due in February (Neil Cavuto) which would be 11 months after the false rape charges, why would it matter??? An 11 month gestation??? It would certainly be a new record! What are they supposed to have done, hired her again later and knocked her up??? This is ridiculous on the face of it. A paternity test??? For what,... an 11 month pregnancy???

This whole case was merely about Nifong winning the election, and to do that he had to have the irate black vote which he got. The only question is why he keeps prolonging the inevitable.

1,209 posted on 12/15/2006 3:08:16 PM PST by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: Neverforget01
This is all a "reparations for the past" as brought to America by America haters. Visiting evil upon whites, males, capitalism, and for the sake of socialism -- "leveling the playing cemetary (field)".

It won't hold, and because the field the America haters think they are playing on, doesn't exist in real time.

The Dream and the Nightmare.

1,210 posted on 12/15/2006 3:09:39 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia

At one time I would have politely ignored your opinion -- about four years ago -- now, I have to say you may be entirely right. I have never seen such an assault on young, white males in my nearly 60 years. This is frightening me and it scares the hell out of my son and his friends. Son says he feels as though he has a huge target painted on his back. I know it's residual from the fright we experienced, but in some ways, I think he may be right, too.


1,211 posted on 12/15/2006 3:13:43 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Doc Savage

Nifong is now prolonging this because it keeps him from going in front of bar hearing for misconduct.


1,212 posted on 12/15/2006 3:13:56 PM PST by JLS
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To: sodpoodle

Thank you. I remember this.


1,213 posted on 12/15/2006 3:16:55 PM PST by Alia
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To: JLS

You may be right, but I have tried to be fair -- even when we went through the same thing. I sort'uv believe that as long as the Accuser wants to testify, they have to go forward. Even if the D.A. has his/her doubts, it's the system we have. Once perjury is committed, there is something to go after. The important thing is to let the system do it's work, but it's such a crap shoot -- with juries (esp. in Durham) -- it's hard to get through to the end and there are no guarantees that you'll win. It's all how a jury sees it and if you have folks who would knowingly imprison someone just to get even, then there's no way our system can work.


1,214 posted on 12/15/2006 3:18:56 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: JLS

"Nifong is now prolonging this because it keeps him from going in front of bar hearing for misconduct"

There are at least 100 very bright people on this thread, figuring out all the angles.

Nifong may not be as smart as we first believed. Conniving, but not too bright.

"the truth shall set you free" is non-partisan


1,215 posted on 12/15/2006 3:23:14 PM PST by sodpoodle (if you can't handle the truth, try satire.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Charges are dropped all the time whether or not a victim wants to go forward. The victim is not a party to the criminal action. It is the people v. John Doe. Nifong is the people for this purpose.

The only reason he is continuing this is he fears, bar sanctions, personal liability and possible criminal liability. The NC bar has already said they won't have a hearing until the case is over. A law suit if filed today could not go forward until the case were over. Thus prolonging this stops everything execpt the Department of Justice investigation.


1,216 posted on 12/15/2006 3:25:19 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

Well, then, so much for my trying to be fair. Hang the SOB! ;-)


1,217 posted on 12/15/2006 3:35:50 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Thanks for the info. Off topic, my daughter is at Wash U. now, freshman year, and she loves it there!


1,219 posted on 12/15/2006 3:52:20 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Jezebelle
I just came home from a long afternoon, but even I know this baby isn't due till February....

Haven't read all the thread yet, but did y'all know this?

1,220 posted on 12/15/2006 3:55:37 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: Guenevere

Are you are saying she's given birth to a preemie?


1,221 posted on 12/15/2006 3:59:32 PM PST by Alia
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I agree with you: it is open season on white males, young men would well be advised, to have a beer on Friday night and watch some football on the TV...stay loose until they have completed their education, and then only marry laterally, not up, and not down..
1,222 posted on 12/15/2006 4:05:06 PM PST by thinking
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To: Alia
say what?

She hasn't given birth.

1,223 posted on 12/15/2006 4:09:20 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

You have a very bright, intelligent daughter. I'm glad she loves my home town. It's a great university and she will have an exquisite education when done. Good job, Mom!


1,224 posted on 12/15/2006 4:10:43 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: thinking

Okay, how long have you been advising my son? :-) That's what he's been doing, although he has recently met a very lovely (I mean gorgeous) young lady from MIZZOU who is pre-law, and they are beginning the dance of young hearts. I was thrilled that he has the courage to get involved, that tells me that he will survive. In the midst of all the ugliness, there is always something to renew the hope of the young -- and the young at heart -- me.


1,225 posted on 12/15/2006 4:16:36 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: All
Just in case it hasn't been posted, or some didn't see it yet:

From KC Johnson's D-I-W:

Best line of the day went to Jim Cooney. Before the session started, defense gave material to Nifong, who awkwardly attempted to joke, "Maybe it has your DNA on it.”

Cooney responded, “Maybe. Just make sure we get it in writing.”

Zing!! lol

1,226 posted on 12/15/2006 4:18:45 PM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: All

They're replaying Jaki's tears on Shep Smith. She said, "It brought our family together...," it's funny how hitting the lottery will do that. You'll find family members you never even knew you had and then some.


1,227 posted on 12/15/2006 4:33:50 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Guenevere

Why is this issue being raised NOW? Who found out? That's what I don't yet understand.


1,228 posted on 12/15/2006 4:34:15 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
No, just a bunch of misinformation, as usual. Reports got out that she had already delivered, but she hasn't. It was reported that she delivered on the 13th or 14th, but she isn't due until Feb. 1, according to Nifong. What am I saying, "according to Nifong." That guy hasn't gotten anything straight since the get-go, but that's what he said in court today.

Locomotive Breath was there and will be providing a recap later tonight. There's no way a paternity test will do squat, as there is no indication that this could have been the result of the alleged rape. I guess the Defense is getting out ahead of the curve by asking for a test to 100% clear any suspicion.
1,229 posted on 12/15/2006 4:37:59 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Alia
I did not see a ping on this - so apologize in advance if it's already been beaten to death:

Paternity Test Ordered in Duke Lacrosse Rape Case

Durham — The judge presiding over the the Duke University lacrosse rape case on Friday approved a paternity test for the three indicted players and the accuser.

WRAL confirmed Thursday that the accuser is pregnant and was admitted to a University of North Carolina hospital. WRAL also reported that she had delivered the baby Thursday night based on information from sources who have been reliable in the past. This time they were incorrect. WRAL has since learned that the accuser is not due to deliver until February.

1,230 posted on 12/15/2006 4:51:07 PM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Guenevere
If the baby is due February 1, 2007 then the conception date would have been May 11, 2006 !

She was probably dancing/"escorting" at that time. Why would the defense even care about a paternity suit if that is the case?

1,231 posted on 12/15/2006 4:53:03 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: NCjim
Thank you.

So, someone at the hospital or someone close to CGM 'leaked' the information of this event to the MSM who got only a "straight" (non definitive) answer from, say, Hospital person, and the MSM went up a cliff and...

1,232 posted on 12/15/2006 4:56:44 PM PST by Alia
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I guess the Defense is getting out ahead of the curve by asking for a test to 100% clear any suspicion.

I think you are right; and it's a very wise move.

1,233 posted on 12/15/2006 5:01:03 PM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
Greta van Sustern's interview with the cousin, Jaki, left me with the impression that Crystal's family believes the pregnancy is the result of the rape. Jaki kept saying, "She didn't deserve this...she just didn't deserve this." Well, I suppose Crystal had other ideas. She apparently had no difficulty copulating subsequent to the alleged rape. I don't see how this will ultimately affect the trial, but I guess there are still people out there who believe babies can come at any time 5 mos., 9 mos. or 11 mos. gestation.
1,234 posted on 12/15/2006 5:08:30 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I don't see how this will ultimately affect the trial, but I guess there are still people out there who believe babies can come at any time 5 mos., 9 mos. or 11 mos. gestation.

Pardon my cynism, but if one ever gets exposed to anti-religious tracts, they are led to believe... that Mary was raped, That Joseph and Mary were "homeless"... -- and that all of this is just in time for Christmas, aka ("their meaning of the "reason for the season".) Everything about this damned case is just so textbook marxist socialism a la book of common rhetoric as echoed by the MSM choir. Bah!

1,235 posted on 12/15/2006 5:14:39 PM PST by Alia
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To: Jezebelle

Correct!


1,236 posted on 12/15/2006 5:19:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Alia
I agree about the case being directly from the Marxist playbook. When you can haul anyone in on the unfounded word of a random individual, go to trial and risk it all, it's spot on from the Communists. Additionally, when you can be arrested for what used to be boorish behavior or making crimes for being tasteless or crude or expressing an opinion or whatever -- that's straight from the manifesto, as well. You have to have some way to marginalize decent people -- make everything a crime and you have the upper hand.
1,237 posted on 12/15/2006 5:19:57 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Yep. "1984".


1,238 posted on 12/15/2006 5:21:35 PM PST by Alia
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thanks.


1,239 posted on 12/15/2006 5:35:00 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Jezebelle

It has helped gain sympathy with some folks to avoid jail or get less of it.


1,240 posted on 12/15/2006 5:39:43 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Howlin; All
So here's the full report. Unlike the ACLU meeting and the media meetings at Duke, this time I took notes. I make no promises whatsoever as to the accuracy of this report.

I got there about 8:38. We were in the grand jury room on the 6th floor. Judges chambers on one side, Nifong's office on the other.

This was a small room. It was divided down the middle with seats to the left and right (facing the judge). Each side had three rows of 7 seats. In addition, there were two rows of seven seats up toward the front and along the left wall. I assume that's where the jurors would have been if this had been a grand jury. Total seats are 56. When I got there they were all filled and I was forced to stand along the left wall about three feet from the back wall. To be precise the frontt row beind the prosecution was empty and being reserved by an officer. I counted about 16 others standing at 8:42. When I got there, DE, RS and CF were already there and seated along with their lawyers on the right.

Media people I saw at this time were Anne Blythe and Joe Neff (N&O) who were standing to my left along with another guy from the N&O. Neff remarked that he's lived in Durham for the last 15 years. Julia Lewis (WRAL) had a seat in the front left. The AP guy (didn't get a name) was standing to my right directly in the corner. The AP report filed on the day (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DUKE_LACROSSE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-12-13-22-33-37) was bylined Allen G. Breed so I'm going to say that's who that was. More about him later. I saw a CBS press ID. Don't know who it was. Some guy from the Herald Sun was scouting around. Today's article (http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-799604.cfm) was by William West so let's call him by that name. Greta van Susteren was on the aisle in the second row, on the prosecution side, and stayed there the entire time. Susan Filan was there but was scouting around in and out. She started today by siting next to Durham activist Victoria Peterson in the front row. Ted Williams was sitting in the second row but on the far left but for one seat. Sitting to the left of Ted was Travis Mangum. Mangum was directly in front of me. Old and frail. Sitting to the right of Ted was a 20-something young black man. Ted did everything but pick up Travis' hand and begin stroking it. (As if we somehow had doubts about his objectivity.) A women I think was Beth Karas (http://www.courttv.com/anchors/beth_karas.html) from CourtTV was sitting in the back row behind Williams. She was talking back and forth with him. To her left behind Mangum was Stuart Taylor (http://www.brook.edu/scholars/staylor.htm) who one of the lax moms I talked to later ID'd for me. She says he's writing a book about this whole thing.

The whole right side behind the defendants was clearly family and friends. I saw Dave Evans parents sitting behind him. I saw Finnerty's dad. I'm sure all the parents were there, I just don't know them all by sight.

The "jury box" was filled with Duke lax players. Boy do these guys stand out in a crowd. They were accompanied by several women of the same age - female lax team members? - I don't know.

At about this time the AP guys sees me with a notebook and asks for whom I'm reporting. I say "private citizen". I almost said "Freeper" to see if he would get it. But I was trying to remain anonymous so people might talk to me. (Sorry Dukie07 - no blue wrist band today.) Too bad FreeRepublic can't get recognized as a media outlet and get us credentials. He then asks me to identify the defendants' lawyers for him 'cause he doesn't know who they are. (In your drive by report would you like fries with that?) I point out to him who they are to the best of my ability. Well, OK, it's not like AP's credible anyway. He laments that someone whose name I don't know will probably do all the speaking and mess up his report.

At 9:22 Filan nabbed Cheshire for a quick interview.

At 9:23 Nifong comes in with Himan.

At 9:25 I counted 20 standing.

Victoria Peterson goes up and has a quiet little confab with Nifong.

At 9:27 all lawyers for prosecution and defense exit to the right (later found out it was judge's chambers) for a confab.

At 9:34 Linwood Wilson shows up.

9:48 Wilson goes over and pays his respects to Mangum.

10:30 Here we go. All come back and Judge O. Smith presiding. By this time Blythe has nabbed one of the reserved seats in the front row behind the prosecutor and Neff has moved off to the far right back corner. Turns out K C Johnson is in the far right back seat. Victoria Peterson is sitting in the front row with Filan.

Noted that they were discussing in chambers the history of CGM and that records are sealed for a while (I didn't get this right - see some other source for this legal detail)

Judge mentions prohibition on recording etc.

Judge mentions this hearing will cover motions for discovery and scheduling

This is the last date in '06.

Bannon (DE) starts.

Talks about recent motion for DNA testing. Smith says he's read motion but not attachments.

Bannon gives summary of motion including request to examine Meehan under oath.

Nifong noted the request to deal with it today and said that Meehan was in the court and available to testify.

It was noted that the Sep 22 motion produced 1800 pages of discovery on Oct 27. 50 More pages were produced today.

Nifong agrees the DNA testing is important to the case and is willing to have Meehan examined but doesn't want "fishing expedition" into meaning of some items.

10:24 Meehan sworn in

Bannon examines Meehan

Focuses on meaning of "multiple male"

Meehan says that can mean multiple matches from same male.

Bannon goes through evidentiary items (e.g. swabs, etc.) one at a time.

Focus is on match to multiple males (almost always "yes"), multiple individual males (almost always "yes"), lacrosse team members (ALWAYS "no")

Halfway through Meehan's voice starts to go a bit and he needs water.

Bannon refers to May 12 DNA report as "final". Meehan draws distinction as "only" but not necessarily "final".

Now Meehan, for the first time, admits that the contents of the report were limited after discussions with Nifong.

Continues through item after item of evidence taken from CGM.

Meehan asked if he was aware this was a rape case and which rape case it was. "yes".
How? - "from news"

Now asked why matches to non-lax males (just reviewed in excruciating detail) was not included in report. Meehan mentions "privacy" for the first time.

Bannon moves on to 4/10 meeting with Nifong, Gottleib and Himan (NGH)

Meehan says they discussed initial findings and told NGH that they were "weak"

Doesn't remember Soucie conversation about dealing on price.

Says he might have negotiated a "volume discount" (my description)

Bannon moves on to 4/20-21 meeting with NGH

Meehan doesn't remember that specific meeting. Says he does "in progress reports" and all tests available at the time of a meeting were discussed.

Bannon asks about other names on DNA worksheet (Brent, E., Bobby, Owen,) provided with discovery. Meehan says not part of this case but work on other cases interspersed with this case.

Bannon asks about communication logs

Meehan says not at every meeting - none for meetings with NGH. No telephone logs.

Company does use email to communicate internally and externally.

Doesn't remember using that with NGH but, if done, would be spread around on various computers.

Long discussion on an "AVI database" with 3800 people in it. I don't quite get the point of this discussion.

11:17 Recess (I go out and play on the monkey bars. Or not)

Greta collars Cheshire
Lax team goes over to visit with RS, DE and CF.
Supportive hugs all around.

I go over and say hello to KC.
I ask if the Durham cops pulled him over on the way to the courthouse.
He says he drove very carefully.
He's got lots of people talking to him so I move off.

11:35 back in session

Bannon starts discussion of "match" vs. "no match"

Bannon asks if swabs were "probative evidence" (lawyers help me here)

Meehan says not probative if not matching suspects

Meehan says he and Nifong discussed ALL results

Meehan says he and Nifong were in agreement that exclusion of these "non probative" matches was proper

Meehan claims to have originated the idea and says Nifong agreed

Bannon asks how male DNA not matched to lax team would violate privacy.

Meehan hems and haws and has no good answer.

Bannon asks if Meehan has done rape cases before - "yes"

Bannon (getting a little steamed at this point) asks Meehan what is Meehan's understanding of exculpatory evidence - "negates guilt"

They talk in circles with no satisfactory conclusion.

Bannon moves on to lab protocols.

Meehan admits that not releasing all results violates protocols that were put in place to obtain license

Says Nifong did not TELL him to do it

Reviews a letter to Nifong

Bannon brings up "How could all the data violate privacy"

Nifong objects "asked and answered" - sustained

Bannon moves along

Bannon brings up sample with Meehan's DNA in it

Meehan says it was exceptionally low level, maybe one cell, and is rare but not unheard of

Bannon asks if the contamination of the sample calls the credibility of the report into question

Nifong objects as a violation of conditions under which Meehan is to testify. Question withdrawn.

Bannon says no more questions

Jim Cooney (RS) starts

Asks if a non match is 100% sure even if the DNA is not very good - "yes"

Asks if all tests 100% exclude RS - "yes"

Makes remark that the samples then contained more Bannon DNA than RS DNA

Notes that indictments were handed down before May 12 report of DNASI

Meehan claims he was unaware of indictments

Cooney asks why May 12 report did not say "no RS DNA in DNA testing"

Meehan has no real answer other than it wasn't done that way

Cooney asks did Nifong know that DNA testing completely excluded RS - "yes"

In response to a question, this is the point at which Meehan admitted that he intentionally limited report to only some of the test results and this was done with the agreement of "the state" (Nifong)

(See other reports for exact quotes)

This produced outburst of clapping and muted cheering from the lax supporters. Judge admonishes the courtroom.

Cooney points out that Meehan is sitting in front of a 5-6" ring binder (no kidding - it was a monster) and points out that RS&CF had to go through the entire ring binder to draw the conclusion that they hadn't matched anyone.

Meehan lamely reports that he would have reported it all if he had been asked as he eventually was by the court.

Cooney done

Guest? (CF)

Wanted to know if meetings with Nifong where the content of the report was discussed were face to face or phone.

Meehan doesn't know.

Any records of communications - "no"

Confirms Nifong agreed to format of report.

Guest done

Nifong gets his turn

Reads out CYA statement in May 12 report that says "other stuff is available"

Were you asked to conceal - "no"
Was he asked to find a specific person - "no"

Says he complied with Sept 22 order and defense now has everything

Done with DNA motion

Meehan "am I free to go"
Doesn't stick around

Defense asks about Wilson continuing to investigate and where are the reports on that

Moves on to scheduling the next hearing for Motion to suppress ID, change of venue (first I heard of that)

Nifong says he wants to move forward.

Lots of discussion about schedules.
Judge notes that he will be in Durham permanently as of 1 January.
They pick February 5

Cheshire puts in paternity motion for CGM pregnancy

Nifong says, contrary to reports, not yet born.
Due date February 1

Says motion not necessary because conception was too late.

Cheshire willing to drop motion but Nifong must stipulate non paternity of lax players.

Nifong says child not product of events on 13/14 March

Judge orders test if she is pregnant and delivers.

We adjourned.

I hung around the courtroom.

Blythe tries to talk to Mangum. Peterson swoops down and spirits him away.

Several lax parents brush off the H-S guy.

Media waiting just outside door with cameras and mics.

I hang around a bit as they interview one current lax team member.

Lawyers and defendants still in courtroom and it's time for me to go.
1,241 posted on 12/15/2006 5:51:44 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: TommyDale; Alia
I haven't a clue....

..Just telling you what I heard.

Nifong himeself confirmed it...(prolly couldn't wiggle out of that one)

1,242 posted on 12/15/2006 5:53:51 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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To: Guenevere
This is all so twisted, Guenevere. So either he knew about the pregnancy already, or someone called him (HER "LAWYER") to let him know. This is all so weird with a beard....and coming from the Man who Never "knew" his client. No "interviews", nope, "we used telepathy, it's the GMTA kinda thing that only those in the know can know..."

brrr.

1,243 posted on 12/15/2006 6:00:46 PM PST by Alia
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To: Locomotive Breath

This is outstanding, LB. You done us and yourself proud...


1,244 posted on 12/15/2006 6:02:59 PM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thanks for standing in the back of that room so you could come here and tell us about the hearing.


1,245 posted on 12/15/2006 6:14:15 PM PST by JoanOfArk
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To: Locomotive Breath

You got the critical stuff, LB. Thank you for taking the time to get your notes out. Sounds like Meehan just buried Nifong. Was that your take, as well?


1,246 posted on 12/15/2006 6:33:51 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: JLS
The NC bar has already said they won't have a hearing until the case is over.

I know it won't be, but I think that should be OPEN to the public; he has humiliated these boys, why should he be humiliated?

And we all know the Bar isn't going to do squat to him.

I want to know the TRUTH.

1,247 posted on 12/15/2006 6:35:52 PM PST by Howlin
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To: NCjim

Hey, Jim, how have you been???


1,248 posted on 12/15/2006 6:37:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Locomotive Breath

Thank you for this thorough first person report.

I can't believe the patience and grace these young men have demonstrated as this bogus case just keeps going on and on.


1,249 posted on 12/15/2006 6:37:57 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
I thought Nifong was buried a long time ago but like Frankenstein he keeps carrying on even though he's made of dead parts.
1,250 posted on 12/15/2006 6:40:11 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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