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Duncan Hunter on the Issues
www.issues2002.org ^ | 12/14/06 | Antoninus

Posted on 12/14/2006 9:14:26 AM PST by Antoninus

Duncan Hunter on Abortion
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted YES on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

Duncan Hunter on Budget & Economy
Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto. (Sep 1994)

Duncan Hunter on Civil Rights
Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 7% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

Duncan Hunter on Corporations
Voted YES on replacing illegal export tax breaks with $140B in new breaks. (Jun 2004)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 83% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Duncan Hunter on Crime
Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted NO on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Rated 30% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
More prisons, more enforcement, effective death penalty. (Sep 1994)

Duncan Hunter on Drugs
Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)

Duncan Hunter on Education
Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted YES on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
Voted YES on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
Voted YES on giving federal aid only to schools allowing voluntary prayer. (Mar 1994)
Rated 17% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)

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Many of us agree that Rudy McRomney is not an acceptable candidate for the GOP nomination for president. The lack of alternatives is troubling, but there are folks out there.

Several people have mentioned Cong. Duncan Hunter from California. Having looked over his record, he looks like the real deal. I'm posting this to get Cong. Hunter some visibility.

Have at it!
1 posted on 12/14/2006 9:14:28 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: FastCoyote

Ping!


2 posted on 12/14/2006 9:15:28 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

I like him.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 9:17:43 AM PST by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser and Shalit, we are praying for you)
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To: Antoninus

Looks WAYYY better than the candidaes the MSM has chosen for us, and so many here call me stupid for disliking.


4 posted on 12/14/2006 9:18:58 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; Hydroshock; areafiftyone

FYI


5 posted on 12/14/2006 9:19:38 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: Bahbah
I like him.

Seems like the guy based on his record. Anyone know how he comes across? Any charisma? Seems like a nice enough looking fellow.
6 posted on 12/14/2006 9:25:12 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: EternalVigilance; Coleus; Coop

Opinions on Cong. Hunter?


7 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:03 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Claud; NYer; narses; little jeremiah; scripter; EdReform; wagglebee

Ping


8 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:55 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus
Unfortunately, Republicans will label him a Populist and try to kick him to the curb.
9 posted on 12/14/2006 9:36:49 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.")
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To: Antoninus
0% by NARAL

..a badge of honor...

10 posted on 12/14/2006 9:40:52 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Antoninus

Duncan Hunter! I always liked cakes made from Duncan Hunter cake mix!


11 posted on 12/14/2006 9:46:58 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Antoninus

Duncan Hunter! I always liked cakes made from Duncan Hunter cake mix!


12 posted on 12/14/2006 9:47:00 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Antoninus
The Dems attack lines will be that he is from San Diego and a Republican just like Randy 'Duke' Cunningham. Duke was a crook and therefor so must be Hunter.

Hunter is the only Republican so far that is not a RINO or a squish.

13 posted on 12/14/2006 9:47:22 AM PST by pikachu (The main stream news is to news what meteorologists are to meteors)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; areafiftyone

This is why I would gladly vote for Hunter over McPain, Mitt, or Rino Rudy


14 posted on 12/14/2006 9:51:52 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: pikachu; All; WashingtonSource; Paul Ross; RockinRight; SoCalPol; wolfcreek; Brandie; ...

Duncan Hunter won re-election in his district with 64.9%. There is a lot to like about this man. He has the best record I've seen on immigration issues.

Top Priorities if Elected

* Maintaining a strong national military.
* Ensuring a strong international border with Mexico.
* Working to keep defense and high-technology jobs in San Diego

Position paper on immigration.

Living in a border region most of his life, Congressman Hunter knows first-hand the importance of providing and maintaining strong border enforcement for our nation. Congressman Hunter believes that protecting our nation's boundaries requires providing our border enforcement personnel with they tools they need and enforcing our nation's immigration laws.

Since our inception, the United States has welcomed people from all over the world seeking better opportunities for themselves and their family. Congressman Hunter believes this spirit is what makes America great, and to preserve these principles, he opposes rewarding illegal immigrants who break our nation's law with state-issued drivers' licenses or amnesty. Providing these types of benefits undermines our immigration laws, makes the job of our Border Patrol and U.S. Customs agents that much more difficult, and is disrespectful to the millions of individuals who immigrated into the U.S. legally.

Congressman Hunter has introduced legislation authorizing the hiring of thousands of additional Border Patrol agents, voted for increased funding for improved facilities and vehicles, and supported continued construction of fence, road and lighting projects on the border like the "Double Fence Pilot Project", which runs from the Pacific Ocean to Otay Mesa. This fence has proven extremely effective against illegal immigration and drug smuggling into the U.S., as well as eliminating the rapes and murders that used to take place in this area. Most recently, Congressman Hunter co-sponsored and supported the passage of the Secure Fence Act. H.R. 6061 requires that border security fencing be erected in several specific locations along America's land border with Mexico. Projects like the Double Fence have served as an example to other border regions of what can be accomplished when border enforcement is provided with the resources it needs and how communities can be made safer on both sides of the border.

http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/state/vote/hunter_d/paper2.html


15 posted on 12/14/2006 9:52:57 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Hydroshock
Well if Rudy decides not to run I might lean closely to Duncan Hunter. He seems like he's the more sane of the rest of them. I don't like Romney (too much like slick willie) and McCain is a looney tunes character!

Thanks for the ping - I appreciate it! :-)

16 posted on 12/14/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: bilhosty

LOL cute!


17 posted on 12/14/2006 9:55:21 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

Fari enough. But I still say Rino Rudy can't win.


18 posted on 12/14/2006 9:57:50 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Antoninus

I like him.


19 posted on 12/14/2006 9:59:58 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Happy 200th Birthday General Robert E. Lee 1/19/2007!)
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To: Hydroshock

LOL Well only time will tell. Should be an interesting race anyway. I am hoping Obama does not run though! He's going to be trouble. He's supposed to decide in early January.


20 posted on 12/14/2006 10:02:23 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: bilhosty
Duncan Hunter! I always liked cakes made from Duncan Hunter cake mix!

How about them Aunt Obama pancakes?

21 posted on 12/14/2006 10:07:55 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: areafiftyone

I think he is angling for a VP slot.


22 posted on 12/14/2006 10:09:22 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: WalterSkinner
0% by NARAL ..a badge of honor

BUMP! Indeed.

23 posted on 12/14/2006 10:16:42 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Unfortunately, Republicans will label him a Populist and try to kick him to the curb.

Yes, but with three "moderate" (read, liberal) Republicans running, Hunter could be a great darkhorse if Conservatives can unite behind him.
24 posted on 12/14/2006 10:17:50 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
Unfortunately, Republicans will label him a Populist and try to kick him to the curb.

The MSM you mean. And anyone else joining them...is likely a MSM-butt-kissing RINO.

25 posted on 12/14/2006 10:18:32 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: WalterSkinner
0% by NARAL...a badge of honor...

Amen to that! That was the first thing that caught my eye.

26 posted on 12/14/2006 10:18:39 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

Well done! This is a very informative post! Thanks!


27 posted on 12/14/2006 10:20:10 AM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart


Not only that, he looks like a winner.
28 posted on 12/14/2006 10:21:27 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Hydroshock

UGH!! If Hillary picks him as her VP pick it's going to be tough going for us!


29 posted on 12/14/2006 10:21:37 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: airborne
Well done! This is a very informative post! Thanks!

No, no. Thank you! With the embedded liberals out there trying to reshape the GOP into Democrat-lite, it is urgent that Conservatives unite around ONE candidate early on.

Congressman Hunter seems like the real deal to me. He's the kind of candidate I'd work for, vote for, and give money to.
30 posted on 12/14/2006 10:23:55 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

Hunter was on WHO-AM, Des Moines this morning - look for the podcast at http://www.mickelson.libsyn.com/ - talked a lot about immigration in light of one of the raided Swift plants being in Iowa.


31 posted on 12/14/2006 10:23:59 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Liberals: First to demand tolerance, last to practice it when conservatives disagree with them.)
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To: areafiftyone

That is one of the reason we need good solid conservatives and ot rinos. We need the base energized and active.


32 posted on 12/14/2006 10:24:48 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Hunter was on WHO-AM, Des Moines this morning - look for the podcast at http://www.mickelson.libsyn.com/ - talked a lot about immigration in light of one of the raided Swift plants being in Iowa.

Good news. Sounds like he's testing the waters...
33 posted on 12/14/2006 10:25:32 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Hydroshock
That is one of the reason we need good solid conservatives and ot rinos. We need the base energized and active.

It's also the reason the media is so keen to inflict a RINO on us. Without an energized base, we're toast. See tagline.
34 posted on 12/14/2006 10:27:16 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

I could not agree more.


35 posted on 12/14/2006 10:28:23 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Antoninus

His positions are a breath of fresh air!


36 posted on 12/14/2006 10:28:42 AM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: Antoninus
And he's AIRBORNE!!!
37 posted on 12/14/2006 10:31:38 AM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: Antoninus; All

Recent article on Hunter.


Duncan Hunter's hard road ahead
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/12/06/perspective/vandoorn/20_37_0412_5_06.txt

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Republican from El Cajon, is running for his party's presidential nomination in 2008, and running hard.

He recently went to South Carolina to speak at a steel mill, which is an unalloyed sign that he is serious, although San Diego took him at his word in October when he announced his intention.

Hunter seems not to have appointed the pro forma "exploratory" committee yet. He says he will next year.

Right-minded explorers won't be doing him or anyone else any good unless they come back and tell Hunter that he is a long shot. Very long. But he knows that already.

Just look at the list (as it stands today assembled by The Associated Press) of contenders for the nomination. Mind you, these are just Republicans who have dreams of an oval office:

Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Gov. George Pataki of New York, Tommy Thompson.

And Duncan Hunter.

McCain and Giuliani, with a dab of Gingrich and Pataki thrown in, are about the only Republicans that anyone has ever heard of. They are also probably the front runners, although in American politics that is a silly thing to say. Nobody wins anything until the votes are counted, except in Florida, where counting has little to do with winning and losing. There, it's how you stack the game.

With so many nobodies in the gang of 11, who is to say that the equally invisible Hunter cannot move smartly up the list and ... one is overcome at the possibilities.

Hunter knows the odds as well as the next man. He's no fool. Thus he has emerged as a contender who seems determined to sing his song of the hawk, and to do that there's nothing like a national campaign, with planes and trains, television and the Web at your disposal.

There is nothing wrong with his approach. That's how the system works.

Make no mistake. This representative of the 52nd Congressional District is a rock-ribbed conservative.

He detests abortion.

He would seal off the border with Mexico in a thrice, and the views he regularly expresses amount to a roundup of all Mexicans on U.S. soil for a quick and rude trip south. He backs the Great Wall Idea, and he does not speak critically of extremist groups that march armed to the border; President Bush has called these groups vigilantes.

He supports the war in Iraq. His ideas on the prosecution of the war, which seem to acquire polish over the months, are definitely hawkish but not without merit, as in his recently expressed view that the thrust of U.S. work there should be to turn controls over to Iraqis as soon as possible.

Most politicians express variations on that theme.

Hunter deplores U.S. trade policy, particularly that part of it he calls "losing trade." The value-added tax that other nations employ is a particular bugaboo.

He believes that he can add value to the discussion of these national issues, and a big race is the place to do it.

To some places in the nation -- and in a few hidden crannies of San Diego County -- Hunter is sure to be regarded as a wacko, so far right and so unattuned to the national vibe that he is a joke. In other places he may be seen as the one true conservative, a man capable of restoring order to the White House.

In any case, there's no phony in Hunter. He is smart. He believes thoroughly -- or appears to from a distance -- in what he is saying. He is unlikely to bend, messy as the fray can get. He walked the paddies and marshes of Vietnam, so he won't pull back from a swamp.

-- Contact staff writer John Van Doorn at (760) 739-6647 or jvandoorn@nctimes.com.


38 posted on 12/14/2006 10:37:07 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: airborne
And he's AIRBORNE!!!

D@mn! I love it! Didn't see that part. Ex-military will be key in 2008, I think.

I'm surprised that the usual suspects haven't shown up on this thread to trash Cong. Hunter yet....
39 posted on 12/14/2006 10:37:49 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

I'd vote for Hunter. His voting record does his talking for him. I sure the hell won't vote for Rudy McRomney.


40 posted on 12/14/2006 10:39:59 AM PST by Noumenon (The Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that has always aimed to eliminate the others - O. Fallaci)
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To: Keith in Iowa; All

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/elections/16215784.htm

Hunter, 2008 presidential hopeful, finds support from Milliken
Dec. 11, 2006


SPARTANBURG, S.C. - Trade agreements with China and other nations put the United States at a disadvantage, said Republican presidential candidate Duncan Hunter, who found textile magnate Roger Milliken among his supporters during a visit here.

Hunter, a congressman from California, visited Sunday to gauge support for a 2008 presidential bid. Milliken, a textile executive, said he was a "longtime supporter" of Hunter, who wants to protecting manufacturing in the United States.

"As head of the Armed Services Committee, he's seen the terrible damage that's been done to the military of the United States because we've lost our manufacturing base," Milliken said. "A lot of the products that go into our military weaponry, we're now dependent on foreigners to make. And that's not a good situation to be in."

China subsidizes manufacturers of products that are exported to the United States to the point where they generally operate tax free, and then charges this country to import those goods, Hunter said. Similar scenarios happen with more than 100 other countries, Hunter said.

"Textiles were merely the canary in the mine," Milliken said. "We were just the first industry to be hit."

Hunter also spoke highly of Milliken.

"People who are keeping manufacturing in the United States, in my estimation, are true heroes," he said. "And as it gets tougher and tougher, they get more heroic."


41 posted on 12/14/2006 10:41:27 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, Gov. George Pataki of New York, Tommy Thompson.

Tancredo is not running, so I crossed him out. Duncan Hunter appears to kick all of these guys @sses just based on the issues. Also, he's from CA which is big. If he can put CA in play, the Dems will be hard pressed.

I think I may have found my candidate...
42 posted on 12/14/2006 10:41:27 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus
I think I may have found my candidate...

Hunter is the best we've seen! I'm with you. We need a "Hunter" ping list.

43 posted on 12/14/2006 10:42:53 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement


Looks like the buzz is beginning already...
44 posted on 12/14/2006 10:44:21 AM PST by Antoninus ( Rudy McRomney as the GOP nominee = President Hillary. Why else do you think the media loves them?)
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To: Antoninus

I'm voting for him in the primaries. The problem is that he needs cash fast.


45 posted on 12/14/2006 10:46:19 AM PST by MattinNJ (The West has been fighting the war on terror for 1300 years.)
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To: Noumenon; All

Hunter cares about our military!

Humvee tire shortage prompting call for ending strike

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

The Topeka Goodyear plant is the only Goodyear facility producing Humvee tires.

Now the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee is calling for a deal to get striking workers back on the job.

"We've got to get those workers back to the plant or we're going to be in a situation where we literally are short of Humvee tires," says Rep. Duncan Hunter, Republican from California. "And this Humvee, this light utility vehicle, is the backbone of transportation for the United States Army. The Army fights on wheels, and this is a big part of those wheels that the US Army fights on."

Congressman Duncan Hunter says production is down about 35 percent, creating a shortage of tires for the military's workhorse vehicle in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.49abcnews.com/news/2006/dec/13/humvee_tire_shortage_prompting_call_end_goodyear_s/


46 posted on 12/14/2006 10:47:43 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: Antoninus

Why not Hunter grab Lt. Gov Steele from Maryland[kinda the South in theory]. I think he could be a good VP.


47 posted on 12/14/2006 10:48:41 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman ("If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.")
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To: Antoninus

What about his personal life?

-Was he ever divorced?
-Has he ever dressed up as a woman?


48 posted on 12/14/2006 10:50:44 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: Swordfished

Click on the link.

There is a wealth of information.


49 posted on 12/14/2006 10:53:45 AM PST by airborne (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Jesus is the reason for the season!!)
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To: Antoninus
"Hunter could be a great darkhorse if Conservatives can unite behind him."

This is the key. The race has already begun and sides have been chosen up. The conservatives are still in the gate. It's time we unite behind a conservative candidate and go for it, instead of wasting time arguing about why things won't work. A groundswell of grassroots support could elevate a relatively unknown candidate, like Hunter, to the lead pack.
Can conservatives unite? If not, the race is already over.
50 posted on 12/14/2006 10:54:13 AM PST by Prokopton
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