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Teen Expelled From School For Turning In Found Gun
CBS 2 CHICAGO ^ | 14 DECEMBER 2006 | CBS 2 CHICAGO

Posted on 12/14/2006 9:23:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

Plainfield Student's Parents Say The Punishment Doesn't Make Sense

(CBS) PLAINFIELD, Ill. -- A 13-year-old Plainfield boy and his parents are stunned and outraged after the teen found a gun in school and turned it in to authorities, who then expelled him.

CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports Ryan Morgan's parents and supporters attended the school board meeting Wednesday evening to try to fight the expulsion. They believe the punishment, and the subsequent alternative school option, are not the proper responses to a mistake made by a teenage boy.

Ryan Morgan, 13, says he pocketed a pellet gun he and a friend found in their school's bathroom to keep people safe. Morgan's mother says a short time later Morgan gave the gun to the Troy Middle School assistant principal.

"I told him maybe that wasn't the best decision, to remove that gun, but it did lead to you finding the culprit, he was arrested and to put my son in alternative school -- he has no behavior problems," Audrey Morgan, Ryan's mother, said.

The Morgans say there was no reasoning with the principal or with the school superintendent.

"He said, 'The board can give your son full two-year expulsion, I'm asking you not to go before them,'" Audrey Morgan said.

They went anyway, saying they had nothing to lose, only to see the meeting minutes already recommend expulsion.

Roy Morgan says he can't accept that, but accepts his son's decision.

"He said 'I'm going to turn this in' and you know what, I commend my son for making that decision. It was the right decision," he said.

School board officials issued a statement Wednesday night saying due to confidentiality reasons they can't discuss the specifics of this case, but that "purposeful possession of weapons is a serious offense and deserves careful consideration by the administration and the school board."


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KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; education; zerocommonsense; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 12/14/2006 9:23:09 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How wussy can we get, but if only they had used Eddie Eagle:

Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the area, tell and adult... say it with me now....

2 posted on 12/14/2006 9:26:10 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Thee idiots are teaching children in the public school system?


3 posted on 12/14/2006 9:27:00 AM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just get your boy out of that public cesspool...er..school and homeschool him.


4 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:00 AM PST by GunnyHartman (The DNC, misunderestimating Dubya's strategery since 2000.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.

We need to break the monopoly, not of state schools, but of Colleges of Education, that turn out the idiots we have for school administrators and teachers.


5 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:03 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

We are only hearing one side to this story. I think the "zero tolerance" policies are stupid. However, there is always another side.

I would like to know if the young man was asked about the non gun ( a pellet gun is not a gun in civilized society) before he turned it in.


6 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No good deed goes unpunished.


7 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:12 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Ryan Morgan, 13, says he pocketed a pellet gun he and a friend found in their school's bathroom to keep people safe.

"You're gonna shoot your eye out, kid."

8 posted on 12/14/2006 9:28:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: basil; Ladysmith

Unfreakin' believable! Another case of "zero tolerance/zero brains" strikes again. It's beyond time to close these gov't indoctrination centers and get back to common sense!


9 posted on 12/14/2006 9:29:52 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: kerryusama04
Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the area, tell and adult... say it with me now....

touch the area, dont tell, stop adult, leave

Did I do it right? Was that close enough?

I'm having such a hard time....

10 posted on 12/14/2006 9:30:16 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Had he simply told the School authorities about the gun and the gun was gone when the authorities arrives, they would have probably expelled him for creating a false incident!


11 posted on 12/14/2006 9:30:40 AM PST by F-117A (Who is Jamil Hussein?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Huh???????


12 posted on 12/14/2006 9:30:59 AM PST by freekitty
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To: marktwain
We are only hearing one side to this story. I think the "zero tolerance" policies are stupid. However, there is always another side.

That's true, but history has shown us that usually knowing more of the story simply make the school officals involved look even more stupid, if that's possible.

13 posted on 12/14/2006 9:33:01 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

What in the world do these "officials" expect to do if it ever becomes necessary to defend the homeland or their families? Just talk the enemy to death?

When did reason, rational thought and the ability to think and use common sense completely die in this country.

The "liberals" want gun hysteria. They're all a bunch of Dukaki. What a bunch of sissy wussies.

Sometimes, I think we're doomed.


14 posted on 12/14/2006 9:33:34 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Sounds bad. Now ... what's the real story?

One should NEVER take an article like this at face value.

15 posted on 12/14/2006 9:34:02 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Balding_Eagle
That's true, but history has shown us that usually knowing more of the story simply make the school officals involved look even more stupid, if that's possible.

Actually, history has shown that there is almost always more to the story; and it has also shown that the mediots typically get the agreed-upon facts wrong.

I've seen plenty of school idiots, but there's undoubtedly more to this story.

16 posted on 12/14/2006 9:35:54 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No doubt even telling someone about the "gun" would have gotten him in trouble, since he was, at some point, aware of it.

Just back away quietly. Tell no one. Forget you saw anything.


17 posted on 12/14/2006 9:36:00 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

School Boards that implement and support such retarded zero tolerance policies should be held accountable, thoroughly humiliated, and then fired by the parents in the district.


18 posted on 12/14/2006 9:36:30 AM PST by CarolinaPeach
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To: marktwain

I agree. There are definitely pieces missing here. Things in news stories are not always what they appear to be.


19 posted on 12/14/2006 9:40:57 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
What MORONS elected this school board?

I'm sure the board is representing the views of those who elected them.

20 posted on 12/14/2006 9:41:28 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: TommyDale

"The idiots are teaching children in the public school system?"

Even in relatively sane communitiies public schools are islands of chronic mental illness.


21 posted on 12/14/2006 9:44:20 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The stupidity of PC America again.


22 posted on 12/14/2006 9:45:27 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I don't march to other people's opinion of me or my beliefs. I march to my beliefs and heart.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Zero Intelligence policies are a tool for lazy gutless administrators to hide behind. There is no law against using common sense. However, kids who are subjected to such nonsense are marked for life. Thirteen years old is too early to learn that life is so unfair.


23 posted on 12/14/2006 9:46:11 AM PST by Brownie63
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Those cretins have no concept of the messages they're giving our children. Pathetic.


24 posted on 12/14/2006 9:46:48 AM PST by Lady Jag (Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid)
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To: dfwgator
>>"You're gonna shoot your eye out, kid."

I'm sorry, you made me post this: http://www.dontshootyoureyeout.com/

Merry Christmas everybody!
25 posted on 12/14/2006 9:51:23 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This is IL so this cowardly behaviour around guns is expected but the over-the-top silliness could happen anywhere. The school site is here.
26 posted on 12/14/2006 9:51:29 AM PST by n230099 ("If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I can understand if they don't want children touching weapons, even if they find them (accidents do happen), but expulsion is so grossly disproportionate the board can't be taken as a serious group of adults.


27 posted on 12/14/2006 9:57:09 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
My undergraduate school had a policy that, whenever a fire extinguisher was discharged in a dorm, it assessed a fee to have the fire extinguisher recharged, against they guy who did it (if he was known), or against every resident on the floor, if the culprit was unknown.

Probably not a bad policy, given the tendency of intoxicated college boys to discharge chemical fire extinguishers for fun.

The one day we had fire in the dorm. It was found while still small, and rapidly extinguished with fire extinguishers. The school administration, far from handing out kudos for quick action that saved the dorm, handed out bills to have the fire extinguisher's recharged. Because there was no exception to the "fine them for discharged fire extinguishers" policy, for fire extinguishers actually used on a fire.

As H.L. Menkin (I think) said: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind.

28 posted on 12/14/2006 10:04:50 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
That is a school and union in need of a multimillion dollar lawsuit.
29 posted on 12/14/2006 10:07:03 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I'm thinking Lawsuit......


30 posted on 12/14/2006 10:18:23 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

One example of how rabid, attack dog attorneys can be usefull.
Let em sue, let em sue, let em sue..........


31 posted on 12/14/2006 10:20:47 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: Pilsner
Fair's Fair!

The students should invoice the school for the cost of dischage fee AND the cost of their time. I'd say $1000.00/second for hazard duty pay. Minimum fee for services 15 minutes. Let's see that 900 seconds so that is $900,000.

Given the cost of the dorm its a bargain!

I suggest that for 25% fee Free Republic would be the negotiator and the school could pay Jim a year's worth of Freeper time and effort! Win Win all around!

32 posted on 12/14/2006 10:24:37 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: marktwain
However, there is always another side.

More to this story BUMP.

If you believe this story so far, then, at a minimum, the kid needs to learn a lesson about picking up guns. Maybe not expulsion, but a strong lesson.

33 posted on 12/14/2006 10:40:33 AM PST by TankerKC (When I think about me, I touch myself.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
School board officials issued a statement Wednesday night saying due to confidentiality reasons they can't discuss the specifics of this case, but that "purposeful possession of weapons is a serious offense and deserves careful consideration by the administration and the school board."

Utter stupidity. This attitude is what is killing us.

34 posted on 12/14/2006 10:43:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: TankerKC
I heard the kids mother on the radio this morning. She descibed what her son told her happens. From her explaination, it sounds like school officials caught wind of a gun being in the school, they cleared all the girls out of the cafateria, and were preparing to check all the boys for weapons. That's when this kid came forward and addmitted he had found a gun.
So, yes. there is more to this story.
35 posted on 12/14/2006 10:49:36 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Why do I think of South Park and this happening to Butters?


36 posted on 12/14/2006 10:55:57 AM PST by Swiss
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To: jaydubya2
"they cleared all the girls out of the cafateria, and were preparing to check all the boys for weapons. That's when this kid came forward and addmitted he had found a gun."

So, he only came forward *after* he knew he was likely to be searched for weapons?

That would explain a lot.
37 posted on 12/14/2006 11:06:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yes, that's what I thought also. Sounds to me like he new he was going to get busted and offered the weapon up saying "look what I just found".
Complete speculation on my part though.


38 posted on 12/14/2006 11:09:07 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: marktwain
There is always more to these stories than meets the eye. The school is in a position where it is limited in the amount of information it can release because of privacy restrictions. The mother is free to go any member of the press and say whatever gets her the most sympathy.

Seems like the young man found the pellet gun and intended to keep it until he realised he was caught. Different story than what the mom said.

I'll bet money that even with this revelation, there is more that is not being told that would not put this young man in a good light.

40 posted on 12/14/2006 11:11:26 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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Did you read post #33? By the mom's admission, the kid only turned it in when he realized he was going to be asked to empty his pockets and backpack.

Hardly an issue of a kid "doing good" and being punished for it.

41 posted on 12/14/2006 11:13:06 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Motive, motive, motive.

The essence of nearly all crime is motive and that includes the obverse of direct motive, negligence - failure to exercize positive motive when it was an option.

The lad had no motive to conceal the weapon for the purpose of later use. He concealed it temporarily to keep it out of the hands of anyone else, and then turned it in.

The judgements of the school administrators (who come out of the same groups of people who become teachers/educators) reflects ignorance and stupidity; which given the SAT scores educators (lowest of all professions), is no surprise.


42 posted on 12/14/2006 11:38:51 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A similar incident happened in Austin last year, except the weapon was a .25 cal handgun. A kid found it and turned it into the office.

The student was sent home "pending an investigation" of the incident. I think it was over two weeks before the student was allowed back on the campus.


43 posted on 12/14/2006 11:42:20 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The terrorists have many allies in the United States, especially in the democrat party.)
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To: Brownie63
Zero Intelligence policies are a tool for lazy gutless administrators to hide behind.

They'd better have something to hide behind. If you punish a troublemaker while giving a good kid a pass for vaguely similar activity, Al and Jesse and the rest of the troublemaker lobby will take you to court. Zero Intelligence is the codification of throwing good kids under the wheels so you can't be called unfair when you punish one of the bad ones.

44 posted on 12/14/2006 11:54:01 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Pilsner

On a similar note. If there would have been an actual incident at the school where someone was shooting students, and this kid came up behind him and wrestled it away, he would still be expelled since he would then be in "purposeful possession" of a weapon.


45 posted on 12/14/2006 12:31:00 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Ill. is a messed up state anyway. My husband got a parking ticket there once in 1970. He payed it and moved on with life. In 1996 he went to renew his driver's license and Oregon said that he couldnt renew as Illinois had suspended his driving prevliges there in 1971 because of an unpaid ticket. He contacted Ill. to clear it up and they have no records going back that far yet they say that he privileges are still revoked in that state (He was just passing through on his way back to here). He told them to clear it up, they said they cant because they dont know what its for but he still cant drive there anyway. Oregon says they cant allow him a license to drive here until Ill. tells them what the reason was for. Carch 22. We are still fighting it to this day. So for Ill. to pull shit like this dosnt surprise me a bit. Those people are messed up.

Mac


46 posted on 12/14/2006 1:14:25 PM PST by macthegunrunner (Regulated by the BATF, unfortunately.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Another ride on the Zero Tolerance Expulsion train. Poor kid. Zero tolerance itself should be made illegal...it's unconstitutional!

Usually school boards are thoroughly bullwinkled. It is the administrators who should lose their freedom and their jobs. Expulsions are rigged. If he's special ed, all the more reason to be rid of him, he would lower their precious test scores.

To the school districts, kids are a commodity, not real people, and therefore can be treated like meat.

47 posted on 12/15/2006 7:35:57 PM PST by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: jaydubya2
And if he did have ill intent, but decided to do the right thing, he should be expelled, labeled and criminally charged? I don't think so. He should be punished/admonished but not expelled. He's already been suspended for a month and that should be sufficient punishment. If you saw the news programs you'll see that his parents agreed that he should NOT have touched the gun, but since he did and turned it in to the authorities (whether he turned it in because he thought "Oh, I'm going to get caught I better turn it in" or he thought "This can do harm, i better turn it in" is neither here nor there, he turned it in. I don't think his parents were fighting that he received punishment, I think it would have been a different case if they had just given him suspension. That punishment would have weighted as much as his infraction. But they wanted this guy to have a record, to be labeled. This was his FIRST "behavioral incident" ever.

I actually know the family personally, so I know that they are not the type of people to just stand up for their children even if they've done wrong. They have indeed admitted that perhaps he made the wrong decision in removing the gun (putting it in his pocket was DEFINITELY the wrong thing to do), but he decided (whatever his original intentions were, to do the right thing. And for that, his punishment is too much.

I was actually at the school the night of the meeting and in the very lunch room where he decided to turn the gun in was a poster LARGE as life saying "Honesty is sometimes hard, but it's the right thing to do!" But it seems in this case honesty merits as stiff a punishment as concealing and deception. So sad!
48 posted on 12/16/2006 7:00:38 AM PST by jkbrn
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To: kerryusama04
Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the area, tell and adult... say it with me now....

That's for little kids, and real guns. This was a pellet gun and a teenager.

The School board needs to be sued to the point where everyone in the district will have either home school or go to private schools, because the District doesn't have any money for indoctrination.

Zero tolerance == zero intelligence.

49 posted on 12/18/2006 8:05:04 PM PST by El Gato
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To: garyhope
What in the world do these "officials" expect to do if it ever becomes necessary to defend the homeland or their families? Just talk the enemy to death?

No they'd run out throwing flowers. Then be promptly captured and beheaded.

50 posted on 12/18/2006 8:06:53 PM PST by El Gato
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