Skip to comments.Teen Expelled From School For Turning In Found Gun
Posted on 12/14/2006 9:23:06 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Plainfield Student's Parents Say The Punishment Doesn't Make Sense
(CBS) PLAINFIELD, Ill. -- A 13-year-old Plainfield boy and his parents are stunned and outraged after the teen found a gun in school and turned it in to authorities, who then expelled him.
CBS 2's Dana Kozlov reports Ryan Morgan's parents and supporters attended the school board meeting Wednesday evening to try to fight the expulsion. They believe the punishment, and the subsequent alternative school option, are not the proper responses to a mistake made by a teenage boy.
Ryan Morgan, 13, says he pocketed a pellet gun he and a friend found in their school's bathroom to keep people safe. Morgan's mother says a short time later Morgan gave the gun to the Troy Middle School assistant principal.
"I told him maybe that wasn't the best decision, to remove that gun, but it did lead to you finding the culprit, he was arrested and to put my son in alternative school -- he has no behavior problems," Audrey Morgan, Ryan's mother, said.
The Morgans say there was no reasoning with the principal or with the school superintendent.
"He said, 'The board can give your son full two-year expulsion, I'm asking you not to go before them,'" Audrey Morgan said.
They went anyway, saying they had nothing to lose, only to see the meeting minutes already recommend expulsion.
Roy Morgan says he can't accept that, but accepts his son's decision.
"He said 'I'm going to turn this in' and you know what, I commend my son for making that decision. It was the right decision," he said.
School board officials issued a statement Wednesday night saying due to confidentiality reasons they can't discuss the specifics of this case, but that "purposeful possession of weapons is a serious offense and deserves careful consideration by the administration and the school board."
Stop, Don't Touch, Leave the area, tell and adult... say it with me now....
Thee idiots are teaching children in the public school system?
Just get your boy out of that public cesspool...er..school and homeschool him.
The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.
We need to break the monopoly, not of state schools, but of Colleges of Education, that turn out the idiots we have for school administrators and teachers.
We are only hearing one side to this story. I think the "zero tolerance" policies are stupid. However, there is always another side.
I would like to know if the young man was asked about the non gun ( a pellet gun is not a gun in civilized society) before he turned it in.
No good deed goes unpunished.
"You're gonna shoot your eye out, kid."
Unfreakin' believable! Another case of "zero tolerance/zero brains" strikes again. It's beyond time to close these gov't indoctrination centers and get back to common sense!
touch the area, dont tell, stop adult, leave
Did I do it right? Was that close enough?
I'm having such a hard time....
Had he simply told the School authorities about the gun and the gun was gone when the authorities arrives, they would have probably expelled him for creating a false incident!
That's true, but history has shown us that usually knowing more of the story simply make the school officals involved look even more stupid, if that's possible.
What in the world do these "officials" expect to do if it ever becomes necessary to defend the homeland or their families? Just talk the enemy to death?
When did reason, rational thought and the ability to think and use common sense completely die in this country.
The "liberals" want gun hysteria. They're all a bunch of Dukaki. What a bunch of sissy wussies.
Sometimes, I think we're doomed.
One should NEVER take an article like this at face value.
Actually, history has shown that there is almost always more to the story; and it has also shown that the mediots typically get the agreed-upon facts wrong.
I've seen plenty of school idiots, but there's undoubtedly more to this story.
No doubt even telling someone about the "gun" would have gotten him in trouble, since he was, at some point, aware of it.
Just back away quietly. Tell no one. Forget you saw anything.
School Boards that implement and support such retarded zero tolerance policies should be held accountable, thoroughly humiliated, and then fired by the parents in the district.
I agree. There are definitely pieces missing here. Things in news stories are not always what they appear to be.
I'm sure the board is representing the views of those who elected them.
"The idiots are teaching children in the public school system?"
Even in relatively sane communitiies public schools are islands of chronic mental illness.
The stupidity of PC America again.
Zero Intelligence policies are a tool for lazy gutless administrators to hide behind. There is no law against using common sense. However, kids who are subjected to such nonsense are marked for life. Thirteen years old is too early to learn that life is so unfair.
Those cretins have no concept of the messages they're giving our children. Pathetic.
I can understand if they don't want children touching weapons, even if they find them (accidents do happen), but expulsion is so grossly disproportionate the board can't be taken as a serious group of adults.
Probably not a bad policy, given the tendency of intoxicated college boys to discharge chemical fire extinguishers for fun.
The one day we had fire in the dorm. It was found while still small, and rapidly extinguished with fire extinguishers. The school administration, far from handing out kudos for quick action that saved the dorm, handed out bills to have the fire extinguisher's recharged. Because there was no exception to the "fine them for discharged fire extinguishers" policy, for fire extinguishers actually used on a fire.
As H.L. Menkin (I think) said: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind.
I'm thinking Lawsuit......
One example of how rabid, attack dog attorneys can be usefull.
Let em sue, let em sue, let em sue..........
The students should invoice the school for the cost of dischage fee AND the cost of their time. I'd say $1000.00/second for hazard duty pay. Minimum fee for services 15 minutes. Let's see that 900 seconds so that is $900,000.
Given the cost of the dorm its a bargain!
I suggest that for 25% fee Free Republic would be the negotiator and the school could pay Jim a year's worth of Freeper time and effort! Win Win all around!
More to this story BUMP.
If you believe this story so far, then, at a minimum, the kid needs to learn a lesson about picking up guns. Maybe not expulsion, but a strong lesson.
Utter stupidity. This attitude is what is killing us.
Why do I think of South Park and this happening to Butters?
Yes, that's what I thought also. Sounds to me like he new he was going to get busted and offered the weapon up saying "look what I just found".
Complete speculation on my part though.
Seems like the young man found the pellet gun and intended to keep it until he realised he was caught. Different story than what the mom said.
I'll bet money that even with this revelation, there is more that is not being told that would not put this young man in a good light.
Hardly an issue of a kid "doing good" and being punished for it.
Motive, motive, motive.
The essence of nearly all crime is motive and that includes the obverse of direct motive, negligence - failure to exercize positive motive when it was an option.
The lad had no motive to conceal the weapon for the purpose of later use. He concealed it temporarily to keep it out of the hands of anyone else, and then turned it in.
The judgements of the school administrators (who come out of the same groups of people who become teachers/educators) reflects ignorance and stupidity; which given the SAT scores educators (lowest of all professions), is no surprise.
A similar incident happened in Austin last year, except the weapon was a .25 cal handgun. A kid found it and turned it into the office.
The student was sent home "pending an investigation" of the incident. I think it was over two weeks before the student was allowed back on the campus.
They'd better have something to hide behind. If you punish a troublemaker while giving a good kid a pass for vaguely similar activity, Al and Jesse and the rest of the troublemaker lobby will take you to court. Zero Intelligence is the codification of throwing good kids under the wheels so you can't be called unfair when you punish one of the bad ones.
On a similar note. If there would have been an actual incident at the school where someone was shooting students, and this kid came up behind him and wrestled it away, he would still be expelled since he would then be in "purposeful possession" of a weapon.
Ill. is a messed up state anyway. My husband got a parking ticket there once in 1970. He payed it and moved on with life. In 1996 he went to renew his driver's license and Oregon said that he couldnt renew as Illinois had suspended his driving prevliges there in 1971 because of an unpaid ticket. He contacted Ill. to clear it up and they have no records going back that far yet they say that he privileges are still revoked in that state (He was just passing through on his way back to here). He told them to clear it up, they said they cant because they dont know what its for but he still cant drive there anyway. Oregon says they cant allow him a license to drive here until Ill. tells them what the reason was for. Carch 22. We are still fighting it to this day. So for Ill. to pull shit like this dosnt surprise me a bit. Those people are messed up.
Usually school boards are thoroughly bullwinkled. It is the administrators who should lose their freedom and their jobs. Expulsions are rigged. If he's special ed, all the more reason to be rid of him, he would lower their precious test scores.
To the school districts, kids are a commodity, not real people, and therefore can be treated like meat.
That's for little kids, and real guns. This was a pellet gun and a teenager.
The School board needs to be sued to the point where everyone in the district will have either home school or go to private schools, because the District doesn't have any money for indoctrination.
Zero tolerance == zero intelligence.
No they'd run out throwing flowers. Then be promptly captured and beheaded.