Skip to comments.Rick Warren critics over OBAMA told to leave the church...
Posted on 12/14/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by jodiluvshoes
Members of the congregation at Saddleback Church, the church led by Rick Warren, are evidently being ushered right out of membership for voicing any concern over the idea of Barack Obama being allowed to speak at the church recently.
I received a lengthy letter from a member of Saddleback this morning that confirmed as much:
(Excerpt) Read more at kevinmccullough.townhall.com ...
Ah, I get it. Sorry Red Badger. That's actually a pretty funny, and insightful, comment.
I hope Saddleback members leave by the droves! This man has, indeed, proven himself to be a false prophet.
Saddleback is in the Southern Baptist Convention.
Not a terribly wise idea on Saddleback's behalf, but then again what is? Statistically, 2006 has already shown that Warren/PDL/Saddleback is a fad on it's way out. Sounds like 2007 is going to show even greater declines....
"...Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., with bestselling author Rick Warren took a plunge down from number five to number thirty-nine. New membership gains in the past year dropped by nearly 1,500 people to 1,149."
Just a thought here; we are still on the internet. Can I see some actual proof that what is being asserted as having happened, actually happened (letter, member, etc. etc.)?
If Obama speaks at Saddleback Church and there is any political content, should the church not lose its tax exemption?
Largest Southern Baptist Church in the Denomination
Can you give me the particular version that you quoted that passage from? Just asking, thank you.
Upset the agenda and you get bit.
The Delphi Technique was developed by the Rand Corporation for use by the Department of Defense as a psychological tool to control people. Dissenters are singled out, and dismissed or ridiculed to diminish their credibility. It is simply a psychological technique to "divide and conquer" and is used by churches, businesses, etc.
Yeah, I had a bible study teacher who reacted the same way. Question HER interpretation and you were smacked down as not knowing what you were talking about.
I find a lot of Evangelicals are this way.
The minister at my sister's church was eventually asked to leave after having an affair with church secretary. He got a transfer to Washington State, but the church followed up with a report to the new church and he was asked to leave there, as well.
The new minister isn't any better and is trying to turn the church into one of those new mega churches. So, she left. It's the Church of the Nazarene and they don't even mention the name of Jesus in the sermons, for fear of offending some of the new people.
Ear-tickling is what I call it.
I find a lot of Catholics are this way.
Tommy, you need to provide a link when you speak about these things, and this is something that we need to discuss on FR...only problem is that the majour religious people who DO talk about it aren't welcome on FR for some reason (now i wonder what that reason might be).
For the rest of you. The Delphi Technique was a tool developed by the Rand Corporation to determine important topics in the Factual domain. Social Scientists have began to use the technique in the affective domain in order to get the majourity of people to accept a Pre-determined outcome. It is an evil tool of manipulation when used in such a manner. This particular site describes how Warren et. al. use the technique to manipulate the congregation.
There is another term that has come into use recently for the same technique, it's founder, Dean Gotcher calls the method Diaprax.
While Diaprax/Delphi is usually found manifested in secular applications, it has fast spread to the churches as a tool of manipulation.
In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part--no introspective exertion or self-flagellation. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways--and not necessarily the best way--that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.
Obama is a dyed-in-the-wool abortion supporter, including the atrocious partial-birth variety.
So what he speaks platitudes about fighting AIDS. What's the difference if he's willing to kill millions in the womb?
And Warren is surprised by the reaction of his congregants?