Posted on 12/14/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by jodiluvshoes
Members of the congregation at Saddleback Church, the church led by Rick Warren, are evidently being ushered right out of membership for voicing any concern over the idea of Barack Obama being allowed to speak at the church recently.
I received a lengthy letter from a member of Saddleback this morning that confirmed as much:
(Excerpt) Read more at kevinmccullough.townhall.com ...
It's one reason I no longer apply the "evangelical" label to myself. It used to be that "evangelical" meant belief in the authority and reliability of the Bible, mission and evangelistic outreach, a focus on Christ.
No it doesn't. It is the church's responsibility to inform the church requesting the person's letter if there has been a serious problem.
Not a fan of Rick Warren, do not agree with his tactics.
Whereas on the flip side most churches don't tell search committees about Ego pastor because they want him gone so bad. Lived through that a couple of times as a kid also.
It is sad, but it encourages me to read threads like this and find individual believers who are strong in their faith, beliefs, and practice, in spite of the abysmal condition of some of their churches.
You are probably correct. I have only seen it in the abusive format as a control on a group. I first witnessed it at Hewlett Packard as a management tool, then at another company owned and operated by Scientologists. It was an eerie similarity, and then I did some research and put the two together. It goes by various names, but the methods are the same. Many times there are disastrous results, such as a high turnover in management, sales staffs, church congretations, etc. who won't put up with such control tactics. Unfortunately, it is most often the weaker people in the church congregation that are found to be under such control.
You faith cannot be in the church/people. Although you should keep worshipping in a body of believers you can't base your faith on them.
LOL, but true.
The whole country knows about our pastor. If it was up to me he would be gone, but it is not!
Absolutely. People will disappoint every time. And yet in every mega-church I'm familiar with, the church is built not so much on Christ, but on the personality and charisma of the pastor.
I found this true of the Conservative Baptist Association. The regional rep's main job was to push lemons -- pastors who had gone bust -- onto unsuspecting churches. I've always felt that, where possible, churches should promote from within. We had a college pastor at our former church -- great guy -- who candidated for the senior pastor position when a vacancy arose. But he was turned down by a majority of the congregation, because they viewed him as "the college pastor." So, rather than get a senior pastor that everyone knew, someone who had proven his faithfulness and effectivness in ministry as an associate, the church ended up with the works-oriented, prayer-hating clunker I've been referring to in this thread.
"And leave they should, the type of apostate gospel that is promoted in that church is dangerous and a sign of the times."
Yes - he's doing them a favor. They'll know it one day.
Oh I'm so shocked. Whouda thought?
Seriously that man has been letting his true self shine through lately. Even the willingly blind should be able to see it by now.
"Resisters" got directions to the door long before this.
What an amazing turn of events in the last few weeks, huh?
We are in the Laodecean stage of the church: luke warm and thinking it's rich but is a spiritual pauper.
Saddleback Church? Sounds more like Bare Back Church.
"FR kicked them out because they were obnoxious, bigoted idiots.
Not very difficult to fathom."
I think I like the Delphi method better than yours.
Ditto here.
The members will be better off for it. Then maybe they can get into a church. Study the Word of God & hear the gospel of Jesus Christ actually preached.
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