Skip to comments.Schoolboy Turns in Found 'Weapon', Gets Suspended For Effort
Posted on 12/14/2006 12:25:17 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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In a previous life we could say there is more to this, or something else is going on, these days, this is no surprise at all, that is sad.
before we get the baby thrown out with the bath water, remember that 'zero tolerance' policies were enacted because these same dolts tolerated drugs, weapons, etc..
the 'zero tolerance' per se isn't the problem (see how they're steering ut to that conclusion?), its' idiots with no clue in charge.
if we do away with zero tolerance, schools will again become full of drugs and guns, etc..
It kind of reminds me of the saying: "The path to hell is paved with good intentions".
Wonder who the "we" is?
It's certainly not what the NRA Eddie Eagle program teaches.
A found firearm is not to be touched by the child.
They are told to leave the area and inform an adult.
He's lucky, now he can be home schooled.
who says 'no good act goes unpunished'... I know , I know, it should be unrewarded 8-)
Just another school teaching liberal mindset. How upsetting.
I wonder if they can't put him in another school in a different part of town?
Also, as to the homeschooling crap...not only do the taxpayers have to anti up, but what about the parents? I am for homeschooling, but I know it requires lot of parents time to home school their children.
What a stupid stupid decision. Poor kid.
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
When I was in grade school in the late-80's, I brought a spent shell to show-and-tell. My interested teacher asked me what kind of gun I shot. Today, the same act would get a student a two-week suspension, if not more. The world is mad.
"Purposeful" posession, to any critical-thinking capable individual, would not include the purpose of turning a found pellet gun in. NOTE: This assumes that the details of finding the pellet gun and securing it for proper disposal by the relevant authorities (i.e.: the school administration, in this case) were correctly reported.
Woe Betide him! He will get Short Shrift!
Same story from earlier today - different source.
The school is in Shorewood, IL - outskirts of Chicago.
The lesson here: Don't be a stool pigeon.
"... I'm not mad, I'm proud of you. You took your first pinch like a man and you learned two great things in your life. Look at me, never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut."
Americans worship at the idol of the law, and no matter how idiotic or Pharisaic the law, Americans will follow it.
They will never, ever lift their hand to strike at the system.
Only the discretion of a higher official, a judge, someone allowed, by American law, to have the discretion to override the law, will succeed in extricating the lad.
"...the school district claiming that young Ryan had "possession of a gun". "
When the boy handed the gun to the school principal, wasn't the principal in possession of a gun on school property?
If they want to play gotcha...
"Zero tolerance policy" my ass. Mens Rea is required. "Zero tolerance" means that the administrator cannot consider extenusating circumstances or the fact that the offense may appear relatively minor. In a courtroom analogy, it's a matter of sentencing. But sentencing doesn't come into play if there is no offense. Now, if the kid was caught with the gun and his EXCUSE was that he was turning it in, and the administrator doesn't know whether to believe him or not, I can see him saying, "The law says no guns, and I can't suppose WHY the kid brought the gun." But as reported, it sounds as if there is no supposition required.
I wonder if the state's rule would require his mom to suspend him for a year.
But it surely would include knowing where the "weapon" is and, instead of reporting it, hand carrying it to the office.
NOTE: This assumes that the details of finding the pellet gun and securing it for proper disposal by the relevant authorities (i.e.: the school administration, in this case) were correctly reported.
See post #3.
Homeschooling at taxpayer expense. What an interesting concept.
So the writer is full of crap. The boy didn't turn in a found weapon. He flipped when the discovery of his crime was imminent, hoping to get a light sentence.
I should've been more suspicious: Since when is a "pellet" gun a "toy" gun? It's not the same as a rifle or handgun, but it's no toy. In my head, I thought of something akin to those plastic-disk-shooting guns, but I know better. A pellet gun is a gun that can be used to inflict significant injuries. If I were the principle, I might check the rule books and see if the "zero tolerance" policy truly applies to non-explosive "guns," but I would shed no tears if I had to suspend the kid for a long time.
But, but, but,... the *rules* just for the unwashed masses, not the liberal elite.
Schools tolerate teachers and administrators with zero brains.
Who did he hear the rumor from?
There's more to this story
No good dead goes unpunished!
No tolerance rules are passed because principals are gutless and teachers are brainless. They dont have enough brain to figure anything for themselves so they go to the book.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
"Homeschooling at taxpayer expense. What an interesting concept."
Homeschooling would be one of the many options available to parents and students under a voucher system for education. What's wrong with busting the public school monopoly?
Even more proof that no matter what you have been told, people in authority are never to be trusted.
Next time kid, just keep your mouth shut and stay out of trouble. It's not worth the consequences you'll suffer at the hands of idiots.
Thanks, metmom, for the ping.
This school ordered the boy to be homeschooled (or, as officials put it, to "home bound study") for a year, at taxpayers' expense.
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No doubt, the school officials suspect this boy, and maybe they have good reason to believe he's just playing innocent. On the other hand, the officials could be wrong.
Any links to a transcript of what the mother was saying?
Psychotic lunatic lieberals strike again!
Ok, I found a link with more about the parents' side of the story:
Get a long stiff pole, tie him to it by the wrists and ankles, paint him with tar, cover him with feathers and parade him out with orders never to return, lest he be shot on sight.
The other school administrators out there might take notice.
Nope, sorry. She was on the Don and Roma show on WLS radio Chicago this morning.
Not only is Ryan being punished for trying to fulfill what he is told is his duty, but now so are the taxpayers who will have to pay double for this young man to be educated. With property taxes already paying for his education once at the school, it will now be doubled for his home schooling.I think the author in his zeal to be critical has got something wrong here. The school district does NOT receive funding for this kid's education if he is not there, so in effect the taxpayers are NOT paying double for his education. Furthermore, the cost of private school or homeschooling (or vouchers) is typically less than the amount spent per student by the public school system. Therefore, if he is being homeschooled with the school district paying for it, the taxpayers are actually saving money on this kid's education.
Lawyer Izzo earnestly announced that "it would be in the best interest of the student and the school to continue provide this student with educational opportunities through home bound study." But, what is "in the best interest" of the taxpayers who are being forced to pay double for this kid who was only trying to be helpful, Mr. Izzo?
IMHO zero tolerance was instituted so officials don't have to make a logical decision.
A decision has been made for them. And they can shrug at the idiocy and say"it's the law".
Common sense out the window.( if they have any)
I have to disagree. According to the NRA and Eddie-the-Eagle, this kid should have left the gun where he found it and immediatley reported the gun to an adult. In fact, the better approach would have been to report what he had "heard" to an adult and let the adult search for the gun. (BTW, the author is an idiot for describing the gun as a "mere toy pellet gun." Real guns are not toys whether they shoot BB's, pellets, .22 long rifles, or 00 Buckshot. No wonder we have so many gun accidents.)
"This school ordered the boy to be homeschooled (or, as officials put it, to "home bound study") for a year, at taxpayers' expense."
Interesting, as many families homeschool their children without the taxpayers footing the bill. Don't be surprised if the mother and child discover how much more he learns without having to deal with school.
Lesson learned - do the "right thing" and get punished.
Nothing like conflicting messages to really screw up children. This is definitely a case that I would recommend an attorney (as much as I generally dislike the idea).
that's what the MADD cops say if you have car keys on you when you're drunk, regardless of whether you're driving or not. possession is 9/10ths of something or other...
I think the school just did this fine lad a favor. He might have a choice to grow up into a man this way.
Agreed that the decision was stupid, but a years worth of home education may turn out to be the best gift they could have given this kid. I sure hope so.