Zimbabwe Has No Plans To Turn Over Convicted Ethiopian Dictator (Mugabe protects Mengistu)

allheadlinenews.com ^ | December 13, 2006

[Tailgunner Joe]

Harare, Zimbabwe (AHN) - Zimbabwe will not turn over former Former Former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile Miriam, despite his conviction of genocide.

William Nhara, a spokesperson for President Robert Mugabe's government, says, "As a comrade of our struggle, Comrade Mengistu and his government played a key and commendable role during our struggle for independence and no one can dispute that."

"The judgment is an Ethiopian judgment and will not affect his status in Zimbabwe. As far as we know there is no extradition treaty between Harare and Addis Ababa."

Mengistu, who has been living in exile in Zimbabwe since he fell from power in 1991, was convicted of charges ranging from genocide, to imprisonment, homicide, and illegal confiscation of property.

Ethiopia's Federal High Court convicted Mengistu and 71 other defendants for their parts in the "Red Terror." According to the U.S. government, "The enormity of government-sponsored operations against suspected political opponents during the 'Red Terror' has defied accurate analysis and has made attempts at quantification of casualties irrelevant."

"Sources estimated that, during 1977-78, about 30,000 people had perished as a result of the Red Terror and harsh conditions in prisons, kebele jails, and concentration camps."

[river rat]

A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive.

We continue to allow deviancy and tolerated conduct to be defined closer to that of animals.
In a sane world -- there would be irresistible clamoring to destroy assholes like these.

Semper Fi

[zimdog]

A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive.

Ironic that you're saying this about ETHIOPIA of all places. Ethiopia had a thousand year history back when the Magna Carta was little more than a fitful nightmare for autocratic English kings.

[river rat]

"Ethiopia had a thousand year history back when the Magna Carta was little more than a fitful nightmare for autocratic English kings."

Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age.

Semper Fi

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age."

Not to mention that England itself had a "thousand year" history before the Magna Carta was written. In fact, longer.

[zimdog]

Longevity is a measure of time, not of value or desirability. Some of the oldest "societies" existing today - have still journeyed little distance since the bronze age.

Perhaps. But my post was addressing your initial statement, in which you seem to ascribe more than a little importance to longevity: "A society that can not succeed in the execution of folks like these - regardless of any protection provided, is a society that will not long survive." (Emphasis added.)

[zimdog]

Not to mention that England itself had a "thousand year" history before the Magna Carta was written. In fact, longer.

As a land, of course. As a continuous state, unlikely. If you care to argue, take it up with the Normans, Vikings, Saxons, etc.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"As a land, of course. As a continuous state, unlikely. If you care to argue, take it up with the Normans, Vikings, Saxons, etc."

Ethiopia has not been a *continuous* nation state for 2000 years either.

[zimdog]

really?

[river rat]

".....is a society that will not long survive."

I guess we're now down to the "Devil in the Details"....
What is a viable "society" and what exactly do we mean by "survive"????

Semper Fi

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"really?"

A series of kingdoms in the same general area does not a continuous nation-state make.

[zimdog]

A series of kingdoms in the same general area does not a continuous nation-state make.

I'll keep this in mind the next time you spout off about the unity of Western Civilization.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"I'll keep this in mind the next time you spout off about the unity of Western Civilization."

A overriding civilization is not the same thing as a local government or an individual nation-state. "Western Civilization" isn't sovereign. Of course, your ridiculous line of reasoning here is just part and parcel with your efforts to destroy said civilization with your jihadist buddies....

[zimdog]

That the Ethiopian nation has been governed by successive states whose borders have shifted over the millenia does not diminish its historical continuity, as much as you would like to discount it. I suspect the fact that avowedly Christian Ethiopia did not kill all of its Muslims and yet still lives challenges your dream of an inevitable Clash of Civilizations. So you ignore it...

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"That the Ethiopian nation has been governed by successive states whose borders have shifted over the millenia does not diminish its historical continuity,"

The same could be said of Britain, as much as you would like to discredit it.

"I suspect the fact that avowedly Christian Ethiopia did not kill all of its Muslims and yet still lives challenges your dream of an inevitable Clash of Civilizations. So you ignore it..."

I suspect it was the command from the "prophet" to specifically not mess with the Christians of Ethiopia had something more to do with it. They are, BTW, having their own problems with the resurgence of Jihad.

"So you ignore it..."

You continue to ignore - or attempt to hide - reality.

[zimdog]

The same could be said of Britain, as much as you would like to discredit it.

Except for the four centuries it was a Roman province. That's not discrediting Britain (although I believe we had been talking about England), it's stating the truth.

I suspect it was the command from the "prophet" to specifically not mess with the Christians of Ethiopia had something more to do with it.

Are you saying that Muslims aren't sworn a blood-oath to behead every Christian they see?

They are, BTW, having their own problems with the resurgence of Jihad.

How can they, if Muhammad forbade Muslims from "mess[ing] with the Christians of Ethiopia"? Clearly any so-called Muslims vexing Ethiopian Christians are heretics.

[razorback-bert]

Surprise, surprise!

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Except for the four centuries it was a Roman province. That's not discrediting Britain (although I believe we had been talking about England), it's stating the truth."

Ethiopia spent centuries as a province of Egypt. Your point? Oh, yes. You have none beyond "West = bad".

"Are you saying that Muslims aren't sworn a blood-oath to behead every Christian they see?"

Sura 9 is clear, but Christian Ethiopians were the only ones called out by name.

"How can they, if Muhammad forbade Muslims from "mess[ing] with the Christians of Ethiopia"? Clearly any so-called Muslims vexing Ethiopian Christians are heretics."

Or they're just following the final commands in Sura 9.

[zimdog]

Ethiopia spent centuries as a province of Egypt.

When? Please supply some dates.

You have none beyond "West = bad". The fact that Britain was a Roman province hardly leads to "West=bad"

Or they're just following the final commands in Sura 9.

What? Are they following Sura 9 or ignoring it? You have a gift for Doublespeak, but it doesn't make a single bit of sense.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

" When? Please supply some dates."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05566a.htm

"What? Are they following Sura 9 or ignoring it? You have a gift for Doublespeak, but it doesn't make a single bit of sense."

They appear to be following it now. Of course, your intention on this forum is to provide cover for Islam. I've noticed a few other posters here with very similar names, zimdog, with opinions like yours. How many different IDs do you employ in your war against the West?

[zimdog]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05566a.htm

I asked for dates, not websites. If you read the Encyclopedia entry you would know that Ethiopia was a province of Egypt up to the 20th dynasty, which reigned 12th century-11th century BC. That gives three millenia of political sovereignty.

They appear to be following it now.

Following it in what way? Are they supposed to lay of the Ethiopian Christians or kill them?

've noticed a few other posters here with very similar names, zimdog, with opinions like yours.

I'm sure you have. They're called "Americans" you'll meet more of them the longer we let you stay in our country.

How many different IDs do you employ in your war against the West?

My only war is against idiocy, Enoch, and I fight that alone all too often. But, Peisistratus, I don't appreciate when retreads impugn my integrity. I've followed the FR rules. You haven't.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"I asked for dates, not websites. If you read the Encyclopedia entry you would know that Ethiopia was a province of Egypt up to the 20th dynasty, which reigned 12th century-11th century BC. That gives three millenia of political sovereignty."

For which kingdom? In fact, there have been CENTURIES since where effectively nothing is known about their governments.

"Following it in what way? Are they supposed to lay of the Ethiopian Christians or kill them?"

Kill them, apparently.

"I'm sure you have. They're called "Americans" you'll meet more of them the longer we let you stay in our country."

Actually, all support the Muslim war against the West, all have "z" in their names" as well as "dog"..... Hmmmm.

More and more Americans agree with me, zimdog.

"My only war is against idiocy, Enoch, and I fight that alone all too often."

Your war is in defense of a totalitarian regime bent on overturning my entire civilization, zimdog.

"But, Peisistratus, I don't appreciate when retreads impugn my integrity. I've followed the FR rules. You haven't."

Who's that? That's kind of an obscure reference.

Listen, zimdog.. You seem to feel free to call those who disagree with you every name in the book (certainly "bigot" and "racist" - the terms of argument favored by the Left), but don't like being called on the possibility you post with multiple IDs....

Why are you on a conservative website? You aren't one. You're an ACLU lackey.

[zimdog]

Actually, all support the Muslim war against the West, all have "z" in their names" as well as "dog"..... Hmmmm.

If you want to accuse me of something, bring your putative evidence to the table. I have no reason to fear your baseless accusations.

You seem to feel free to call those who disagree with you every name in the book (certainly "bigot" and "racist" - the terms of argument favored by the Left),

I definitely point out bigotry and racism, as they violate the FR terms of use. Apparently you have a problem with that.

but don't like being called on the possibility you post with multiple IDs....

I don't like it because it's not true. You wouldn't like it if I mentioned the possibility that you are an active pederast. Or perhaps you prefer lies to reality?

[Peisistratus] Who's that? That's kind of an obscure reference.

Peisistratus, for the benefit of the general readership, was an Alabama-based engineer who believed that no Muslim could ever be trusted and that all Muslims in America -- including citizens -- should be arrested and either deported or thrown into concentration camps. Your views are similar, as is your background and your location. And you registered in late October 2006, shortly after Peisistratus was banned.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

" I definitely point out bigotry and racism, as they violate the FR terms of use. Apparently you have a problem with that."

Pointing out that Islam is evil is the truth... and Islam isn't a "race".

"Peisistratus, for the benefit of the general readership, was an Alabama-based engineer who believed that no Muslim could ever be trusted and that all Muslims in America -- including citizens -- should be arrested and either deported or thrown into concentration camps."

There are 10s of thousands of conservative engineers in Alabama, zimdog, with similar opinions. Of course, you probably know very little about this state.

[zimdog]

Pointing out that Islam is evil is the truth... and Islam isn't a "race".

Never said Islam was a race. And by the first part of your statement, are you suggesting that the President is a liar?

There are 10s of thousands of conservative engineers in Alabama, zimdog, with similar opinions.

I don't doubt that there are tens of thousands of conservative engineers in Alabama, but I find it suspicious that one of the most genocidally-minded ones happens to sign up immediately after another genocidally-minded one has been banned. I'm sure the moderators can trace the ISP address.

[zimdog]

forgot the ping for above post

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"And by the first part of your statement, are you suggesting that the President is a liar?"

As I recall, he referred to "evildoers"... I think he knows the truth, but is constrained by politics.

"but I find it suspicious that one of the most genocidally-minded ones happens to sign up immediately after another genocidally-minded one has been banned. I'm sure the moderators can trace the ISP address."

You defend those who commit real genocide, zimdog. Not I. In fact, I believe that my opinion of Islam is shared by a majority of posters on this forum.

[zimdog]

You defend those who commit real genocide, zimdog.

Another idiot accused me of the same thing. My response is unchanged: invite you to present any evidence that I have ever tried to justify or deny genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner.

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Another idiot accused me of the same thing. My response is unchanged: invite you to present any evidence that I have ever tried to justify or deny genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner."

You defend Islam. That is enough.

[zimdog]

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Put up or shut up."

Your entire Islam-defending posting history shows this, zimdog. You defend those who loudly announce to the world their intent to destroy us as well as those willing to go along for the ride.

Now, point out where I called for genocide.

[zimdog]

put up or shut up

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"put up or shut up"

I have. You defend Islam. Islam preaches the subjugation or death of all non-Muslims.

[zimdog]

Just show a single one of my posts that tries to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner.

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Just show a single one of my posts that tries to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner."

You attempt to justify Islam every day. Islam PREACHES genocide.

[zimdog]

You attempt to justify Islam every day. Islam PREACHES genocide.

Then it shouldn't be hard for you to find some evidence of me trying to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner.

I'm really not asking for much. Why are you not able to put up any evidence?

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Then it shouldn't be hard for you to find some evidence of me trying to justify, deny, or defend genocide by anyone against anyone at anytime anywhere and in any manner."

That's your defense of Islam.

[zimdog]

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

I'll say it one more time:

You defend here every day an ideology that calls for genocide.

[zimdog]

If what you say is true, you should have no trouble producing evidence of me supporting genocide. Surely you can find something in my 3+ years of posting, can't you n00b/retread? No, of course you can't. Either put op or shut up. There's no excuse for your slander otherwise.

[dfwgator]

Mengistu was a hundred times worse than Pinochet on his worse day. Where is the outcry from the left?

* crickets chirping *

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"If what you say is true, you should have no trouble producing evidence of me supporting genocide. "

You support and defend those who preach it. You support and defend Muslims. You attack every attempt to restrict further Muslim immigration. You provide legalistic cover to our enemy in this war. The majority on this forum is not on your side. In fact, half the country wants mosques bugged!

You support genocide just as much as every supporter and defender of the Nazis or Stalin did in the 30s. Just as Duranty did at the NYT. You support CAIR in their stated goal to use our laws and courts to conquer us.

"There's no excuse for your slander otherwise."

That's libel. Slander is spoken. I find it interesting that you take umbrage at this when you have no trouble attacking others on this forum with "bigot", "racist", and accuse us of desiring genocide. Just like your friends in the ACLU.

What is your purpose here, zimdog? You've never posted a conservative thought or argument in any of your older posts I've reviewed. You just defend the indefensible. Nearly every day.

[zimdog]

You support and defend those who preach it.

You keep saying that, but you haven't provided any facts to back it up.

You support genocide just as much as every supporter and defender of the Nazis or Stalin did in the 30s.

Historical parallels are interesting, but you haven't provided any facts to show that they are valid.

You've never posted a conservative thought or argument in any of your older posts I've reviewed.

If you've reviewed my posts, why haven't you found any that support your accusations? Because they don't exist.

Put up or shut up.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"You keep saying that, but you haven't provided any facts to back it up. "

Of course I found evidence. YOU DEFEND ISLAM. That's the very reason you are in this thread!

"Historical parallels are interesting, but you haven't provided any facts to show that they are valid. "

Islam provides that. You defend Islam.

[zimdog]

Of course I found evidence.

Then please present it.

YOU DEFEND ISLAM. That's the very reason you are in this thread!

This thread was about Mengistu and Ethiopia before your disrupted it with personal attacks.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"This thread was about Mengistu and Ethiopia before your disrupted it with personal attacks."

What "personal attacks"? YOU posted to me first.

Quit bothering the moderators. I'm sure they have enough to do.

[zimdog]

What "personal attacks"? YOU posted to me first.

Indeed I did. And note that it was not a personal attack.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Indeed I did. And note that it was not a personal attack."

No, that came later - and you started it.

[zimdog]

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[EnochPowellWasRight]

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