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California, there I went
SF Gate ^ | December 14, 2006 | editorial

Posted on 12/14/2006 4:17:40 PM PST by Lorianne

FOR THE first time, the number of people moving out of California outnumbered those moving in -- during a supposed economic expansion. It isn't over yet, either -- demographers expect this trend to continue, probably for several years.

The loss isn't a large one. The California Department of Finance recorded a net loss of about 29,000 people from 2004-05, and it expects that the numbers for 2005-06 will be comparable. But it does cut across most ethnic groups -- whites, Latinos and African Americans, with only Asians showing a net gain -- and has hit families particularly hard, if faster-than-predicted school enrollment declines are to be believed.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; californicated
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1 posted on 12/14/2006 4:18:02 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

2 posted on 12/14/2006 4:19:28 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

I had a bumper sticker like that back in about 1981.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 4:21:30 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Lorianne

No one should move to California, I have felt that way since the day I arrived here.


4 posted on 12/14/2006 4:23:24 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Lorianne

people moving out of California outnumbered those moving in

dreadful, ain't it?


5 posted on 12/14/2006 4:23:54 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ElkGroveDan

mee two


6 posted on 12/14/2006 4:25:48 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

Lo necesito.


7 posted on 12/14/2006 4:26:28 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Lorianne
Such a beautiful state. It's a shame that liberals ruined it.

It seems that liberals move to all of the nice places then ruin them - Key West, slowly but surely Colorado (Boulder, certainly), etc. Then again, there are the plain just nasty places that liberals have ruined as well - N.Y City.

8 posted on 12/14/2006 4:36:53 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Actually, it "is" dreadful. I much prefer that Californians stay in California. These people never learn. They leave California, the upper east coast, etc, because of high taxes and lack of opportunity. Then, they relocate to states such as Colorado and Texas and the first thing they want to do is re-make these states into the image of the state they just left. Go figure....
9 posted on 12/14/2006 4:40:36 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Moved out of Burbank in 1999; Started feeling home sick around 2002 when we returned for a visit! Immediately remembered why we left, we couldn't turn around fast enough! One reason was the feeling of being invaded.
10 posted on 12/14/2006 4:41:58 PM PST by GoforBroke
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To: Lorianne
"It's not a sign of this state becoming the next Detroit, but if it is, in fact, a sign of the difficulty of buying a house in California, or congestion -- as we've heard -- then we should be concerned," said Hans Johnson, a demographer with the nonprofit Public Policy Institute of California.

I was at a real estate seminar regarding investing in the D.C> area a few years back. The economist who did a very good study was saying the people (companies first) will start fleeing if something isn't done about the traffic congestion within the next 109 years. Our ultra-liberal county council keeps saying "take the bus."

11 posted on 12/14/2006 4:50:26 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Lorianne; Millee; carlr; Allegra; PaulaB
My plan is working, Superman... Nancy gets to be Speaker, then Her Ankleship Prez...

Then Osama goes medieval on the Left Coast!

Then I clean up selling all that Nevada and Arizona beach front property!

I hate to say this, Lex, but I kinda like your plan...

12 posted on 12/14/2006 4:51:41 PM PST by Bender2 (I am off politics until Nancy moves to Tehran... There to be taken straight to the ever after!)
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To: Lorianne
"California.............it was nice while it lasted."
13 posted on 12/14/2006 4:51:44 PM PST by gitmogrunt (Conservative and Republican are not synonymous.)
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To: snoringbear
Actually, it "is" dreadful. I much prefer that Californians stay in California. These people never learn. They leave California, the upper east coast, etc, because of high taxes and lack of opportunity. Then, they relocate to states such as Colorado and Texas and the first thing they want to do is re-make these states into the image of the state they just left. Go figure....

Same thing with the Yankees moving down south.

14 posted on 12/14/2006 4:51:53 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Lorianne

"The Late, Great Golden State"


15 posted on 12/14/2006 4:54:11 PM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: SF Republican

What do you mean?


16 posted on 12/14/2006 4:54:20 PM PST by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: Lorianne
California is overpriced. Housing costs are the biggest reason people are packing up and leaving. The high cost of living too, is an incentive to move to where they'll get more for their dollars.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

17 posted on 12/14/2006 4:54:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GoforBroke
I still live in CA and am honestly looking for a way out.

I feel the way you did about Southern CA. Last time I visited there, the atmosphere was like Venus. I forgot all about those several mile high dark-brown/red smogbanks hovering perpetually over the Riverside/San Bernardino area. I couldn't wait to get back to my house in rainy overcast hippieville.

18 posted on 12/14/2006 4:55:04 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
The economist who did a very good study was saying the people (companies first) will start fleeing if something isn't done about the traffic congestion within the next 109 years. Our ultra-liberal county council keeps saying "take the bus."

Let's hope they come up with a solution before a century passes.

19 posted on 12/14/2006 4:56:29 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Yes, that should have been 1000 years.

Or 10.

20 posted on 12/14/2006 4:59:16 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

let's spread some more of those illegal aliens around the other 49 states then.


21 posted on 12/14/2006 5:01:03 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Lorianne

This trend is verified by the U-Haul index, the difference in the price paid for a rental truck leaving California versus what you pay to drive a U-Haul to California. It's a barometer of supply and demand as well as incentives and penalties necessary to keep a supply of trucks available at all locations.

San Francisco to Las Vegas $757
Las Vegas to San Francisco $313

San Francisco to Portland $1483
Portland to San Francisco $199

San Francisco to Seattle $1648
Seattle to San Francisco $353

San Francisco to Phoenix $1669
Phoenix to San Francisco $131

San Francisco to Albuquerque $2277
Albuquerque to San Francisco $716

San Francisco to Boise $2557
Boise to San Francisco $199


22 posted on 12/14/2006 5:03:29 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: Lorianne

You reap what you sow. You folks elected the socialists---live with it!!


23 posted on 12/14/2006 5:14:22 PM PST by taillightchaser (!)
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To: Lorianne
"It's not a sign of this state becoming the next Detroit, but if it is, in fact, a sign of the difficulty of buying a house in California, or congestion -- as we've heard -- then we should be concerned," said Hans Johnson, a demographer with the nonprofit Public Policy Institute of California.

The little educator from Berkeley just HAD to take a cheap shot at Detroit. Hey, we're in bad shape but we're not as bad as Detroit! What a jerk.

24 posted on 12/14/2006 5:15:30 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: Lorianne
Both my husband and I were born in California (we are 41 and 43) and lived there until last year. Our 3 children were born in CA (20, 15 and 6).

However, I was ready to be a stay at home mom and there was no way - even with 2 salaries - that we could buy a house.

So, we packed up the family and moved to Nevada. We are in a small town just outside Carson City and we have not once regretted the move.

Friends said that we really needed to think because once we left we wouldn't be able to come back. No problem with that - we have no plan EVER to return to Kalifornia.
25 posted on 12/14/2006 5:17:24 PM PST by ninergold3 (Jesus Loves Me This I Know - For The Bible Tells Me So)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

yes, it IS dreadful .. they're moving to and changing the demographics in OR/WA/AZ/NV, etc. Let them all stay in one place and enjoy Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, instead of spreading the wealth to other states.


26 posted on 12/14/2006 5:19:46 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: taillightchaser
You folks elected the socialists---live with it

I beg to differ. I NEVER, EVER, EVER, voted for anyone other than a Republican - even when I wasn't thrilled with his/her agenda. We "good guys" were just way outnumbered.
27 posted on 12/14/2006 5:21:05 PM PST by ninergold3 (Jesus Loves Me This I Know - For The Bible Tells Me So)
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To: Lorianne

There's still a few conservative strongholds here in California. I moved from Long Beach to a little town half way up the state, nestled up against the Sierra Nevada Mountains. I DREAD it every time I find some reason why I have to go back, even if it's for a day. When my wife goes down there to visit family I invariably get "the call", where she's sitting on the San Diego Parking Lot (405 Fwy) and crying out her frustrations over how HHOORRIIBBLLEE the traffic is.

I only go back if I have a really important client who absolutely requires my personal help..... or my wife makes me go! :)


28 posted on 12/14/2006 5:40:19 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Azzurri

I had a friend with an MA in urban planning from University of Illinois (I think). He said that Detroit was pretty much used as the example for what not to do in most of his classes. To be fair, planning for explosive growth is always difficult.


29 posted on 12/14/2006 6:03:40 PM PST by amchugh
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To: Lorianne

Taxpayers movin out......... tax users movin in.


30 posted on 12/14/2006 6:04:00 PM PST by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: org.whodat

Cary, North Carolina. Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.


31 posted on 12/14/2006 6:05:51 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Hey! What happened to my tagline?)
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To: EDINVA

This is a big problem with people "voting with their feet." And it applies both the migrants between states and immigrants coming into the U.S.

People in California and Mexico know that things suck where they live and that things are better elsewhere. But they have no clue WHY things are that way.

You know why things suck in Mexico? Mexicans. You know why things suck in California? Californians.

Unfortunately people are least likely to see themselves as being the problem. They don't realize the socialist/statist policies they support cause misery and that the free market causes prosperity.

So when they arrive at their new homes they vote for the politicans who promise them the biggest government goodies. They don't realize they are importing the exactly kind of policies the wrecked where they came from.


32 posted on 12/14/2006 6:08:45 PM PST by feralcat
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To: feralcat

we're getting them in VA, too :(


33 posted on 12/14/2006 6:16:22 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: The KG9 Kid
I forgot all about those several mile high dark-brown/red smogbanks hovering perpetually over the Riverside/San Bernardino area.

That's a pretty vile part of the trip when I'm making the drive between Pocatello and San Diego. Burning eyes and coughing from the north end of Temecula to the point where I-15/I-215 rejoin on the way up Cajon Pass.

34 posted on 12/14/2006 6:24:01 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Lorianne; Cowgirl; ElkGroveDan; goldstategop; A. Pole; SF Republican; doug from upland; kellynla; ..

I expect that this is not a temporary blip, but the beginning of a trend.


35 posted on 12/14/2006 6:30:43 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: snoringbear; 69ConvertibleFirebird
Actually, this native Northern Californian decided last year I need to leave this state (that geographically, I love so much!) because I'm surrounded by "Hey let's be Socialists and disarm ourselves and vote for traiters and disrespect our President and our military and our vets by voting Kerry and hate America because we CAN" commrade types, not for lack of opportunity or the expensive cost of living.

I'd be glad to pay more to live in my lovely home state, but I can't stand A) the fact that all I can legally carry in my 'hood (designated "blood" turf) is my pepperspray and that I'd probably spend time in jail if I shot a convicted rapist/murderer/psychoticMethFiend breaking into my home; B) how our voters seem to nod yes then vote based on the emotional inflection the newscaster/alternative-weekly/lib-blogger liberally presented (or they just stay home); C) how Governor Schwartzenegger acts like a super-buffed RINO; D) stem-cell legislation to the tune of $3 Billion got voted in so yet another bureaucracy is funded basically out of pure spiteful hate of President Bush; and so on.

Not that I don't doubt what you're saying applies to a lot of the Californians who've moved to your states, given that it's not just conservatives fleeing, but still - the blanket statements do not describe how I plan to vote in the state I plan to move to. I would be proud to live in a community of conservative voters with some sense in their heads who pay attention and think long-term (not to mention living near WAFFLE HOUSE and being able to buy the AR-15 of my dreams!)
36 posted on 12/15/2006 12:25:17 AM PST by MonicaG (Thank you and God bless you, excellent TROOPS!)
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To: ninergold3
So, we packed up the family and moved to Nevada. We are in a small town just outside Carson City and we have not once regretted the move.

What does one do for a living where they can simply pack up and move to a small town? This kind of thing tempts me but I'm afraid that I'd go from a very good income as a professional, able to save for retirement, etc., to a job where I barely get by. It's a pretty scary thought for someone mid-career (roughly your age). Of course no amount of money is worth it if where you live makes you miserable.

37 posted on 12/15/2006 7:50:22 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: snoringbear
Actually, it "is" dreadful. I much prefer that Californians stay in California. These people never learn. They leave California, the upper east coast, etc, because of high taxes and lack of opportunity. Then, they relocate to states such as Colorado and Texas and the first thing they want to do is re-make these states into the image of the state they just left.

Those are our moderately conservative types. The liberals aren't moving out. ;)

38 posted on 12/15/2006 7:52:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: amchugh
To be fair, planning for explosive growth is always difficult.

I'm not sure that it's so difficult. I've sat on many (volunteer) commissions, boards, etc., for State Highway, the County Executive, etc., here in Montgomery County - an ultra-liberal/socialist D.C. suburb. What I've found is that the planning was done very well in the beginning. Reasonable roads, etc., for the development. Then the moron politicians cancel the roads each time a community group shows up yelling NOT IN OUR BACKYARD. Also, the council members are always wanting more campaign money (developers have plenty), so they go and re-zone parcels of land for high-rise buildings (many cars) without making sure that the roads are adequate to get the cars to and from the buildings.

39 posted on 12/15/2006 8:04:18 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Lorianne

people moving out of California outnumbered those moving in
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Depends on where you live in California. I love California, retired 5 years ago and moved out of San Francisco to the southern Cal desert. Once out of SF I was a happy camper again and wouldn't think of leaving the state. We have water, beaches, mountains, desert, lots to do and beauty everywhere. Just avoid the marxist areas.


40 posted on 12/15/2006 8:07:10 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: Vision

It was an old joke, everyone wants people to stop moving to California the day after they arrive here. In other words I am where I want to be, but you should not come it will get to crowded.


41 posted on 12/15/2006 8:12:51 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Clintonfatigued
We do have a great economy rolling and with the "modern age" of telecommuting, it really does not matter where you live so you may very well be right. We have a major client that kept his operations here but moved to Montana and took his trusted secretary with him because they both were fine with leaving the San Francisco Bay Area. After three years he says it has not affected his business at all and he loves the 5 minute commute to his office.
42 posted on 12/15/2006 8:15:30 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Could it be the liberal policies, taxes, real estate costs, illegals, or traffic?

Not knocking CA necessarily, Reagan was after all from there, but the state does have a LOT of problems from what I see from my Midwest perspective.


43 posted on 12/15/2006 8:17:20 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

109 years?? WTF?


44 posted on 12/15/2006 8:18:17 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: concentric circles

The Boise example is especially astounding!


45 posted on 12/15/2006 8:19:30 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: ninergold3
Perhaps they should do this:


46 posted on 12/15/2006 8:21:41 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: EDINVA

VA has the added problem of being close to DC, where a lot of the people vote Democrat to protect their cushy government jobs.

Not as if the GOP would actually CUT them anyway, but that's another topic...


47 posted on 12/15/2006 8:22:54 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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To: SF Republican

California is wonderful. I was stationed in Ft.Ord and took full advantage of what the State had to offer...surfing, skiing and girl watching. I would live there in a New York Minute.


48 posted on 12/15/2006 8:23:19 AM PST by maineman
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
My husband worked in the documentation area of a medical device company. He looked for quite sometime to find something to do here. He has a 45 minute commute into Reno but it is NOTHING like a 45 minute commute in the Bay Area.

I don't have a paying job but I do the stay @ home mom thing. I also get to work in my son's 1st grade classroom, I'm our church secretary and am involved in various other church groups.

The only thing I thought I'd miss were my friends. However, after we left I realized that they weren't really friends at all. It became an "out of sight - out of mind" thing. Kind of hurtful but what can you do? We are amazed at the difference in people in a smaller town.

I hope you are able to make your dream come true. =)
49 posted on 12/15/2006 8:23:46 AM PST by ninergold3 (Jesus Loves Me This I Know - For The Bible Tells Me So)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Depends on your line of work. In some lines of work, the decreased pay is MORE than made up for by much cheaper real estate and other costs. In other lines of work it's not.


50 posted on 12/15/2006 8:24:48 AM PST by RockinRight (Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. He's a Socialist. And unqualified.)
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