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Are the Planes Safe? [Recent unpublicized event described]
Media Research Center ^ | December 6, 2006 | by L. Brent Bozell III

Posted on 12/14/2006 6:00:49 PM PST by aculeus

The hubbub raised over six Islamic imams being removed from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis for suspicious behavior is the latest in a string of incidents underlining one consistent thread in the war on terror: Muslim terrorists have never given up on the tried and true idea of hijacking airplanes and blowing them up to kill and demoralize the infidels.

Police and witness reports suggest a list of suspicious activities and remarks. Some of the imams were discussing in Arabic about “bin Laden” and condemning America for “killing Saddam.” Imams asked for seat belt extenders for the extremely obese, for no apparent reason. (Did you know such extenders even existed?) The imams spread out at all exits of the plane, two in front, two in the middle, two in the rear. Between the six imams, they had one piece of checked luggage.

There have been some seriously frightening moments since 9/11. Just a few months later, foiled “shoe bomber” Richard Reid was arrested on board American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami for attempting to light explosives hidden in his shoes. In court, he declared his allegiance to Osama bin Laden and was convicted in 2003 and sentenced to life in prison.

On March 5, 2003, Fazal Karim, an illegal immigrant from Pakistan, attempted to board an American Airlines flight from Dallas to Houston when screeners found in his luggage 32 razor blades concealed within a box containing a coiled belt. He was convicted of attempting to conceal weapons and making false statements about his immigration status and sentenced to five years in prison.

On June 29, 2004, journalist Annie Jacobsen complained about the very suspicious behavior of a group of Middle Easterners during a flight from Detroit to Los Angeles. When the plane landed, they were detained, and though the Department of Homeland Security would later report that they were a band of Syrian musicians en route to a gig in Las Vegas, Jacobsen learned that DHS also decided to classify the entire report. Why classify it if nothing was amiss?

On August 10, British authorities thwarted a plot to simultaneously blow up 10 aircraft heading to the U.S. using explosives smuggled in luggage, averting what police described as “mass murder on an unimaginable scale.” Some plotters had already purchased tickets on a flight to stage a test run, with an actual attack planned for days later.

The national media have certainly paid attention to airline security issues since 9/11. But they can’t be expected to learn about and report every airline disruption, especially if no real act of terror occurs. Thus it begs the question: How many times, at how many airports, have there been these kinds of incidents that have not made it to the news desks? I ask because I’ve been a witness to one such incident, from a distance of perhaps three feet, which never made it on the news.

On October 14, I was in Grand Rapids, having boarded United 5832 to Chicago. It was one of those smaller commuter jets with two seats on either side of the aisle. The flight was perhaps one third full, giving sardined passengers the opportunity to move to the multiple open rows after the boarding process was complete. That’s when I noticed the two men, one a younger Muslim, the second an older black man, make their way from the back to the two seats behind the bulkhead on the right side of the plane, one row in front and across from me. Odd. If they wanted more breathing room, why were they choosing to sit together again in crammed quarters, given all the open rows? Why did they move at all? And if they remained together because they needed to visit, why didn’t they exchange a single word? I watched them as they just sat, staring straight ahead. And the plane also just sat by the gate, for a good fifteen minutes.

And then the hatch flew open and a half-dozen DHS/FBI agents rushed in, surrounded these two men, and flashing badges, ordered them off the plane.

Now stop for a minute. Imagine you were one of these two, and you were innocent. What would be your reaction if suddenly confronted by a small army of heat-packing federal agents demanding your removal? You might literally jump out of your seat belt in surprise. What? Me? Huh?! Why? What’s going on?! What’d I do? What’s the meaning of this? And the like. And that’s when it really got creepy. I watched as the two men stood up, and without a word, without a shred of emotion on their faces, calmly accompanied the agents off the plane. How else to explain this? They were expecting their detention.

The pilot would take to the intercom a few minutes later to explain what he could. Homeland Security had been running background checks on these two, and while nothing had registered on the computers, the flight crew was “just uncomfortable” -- as they had every reason to be.

Something is happening out there. And it’s not good.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: airplane; airplanes; airport; airports; bozell; flyingimans; mrc; muslims; plane; planes; terrorists
On October 14, I was in Grand Rapids, having boarded United 5832 to Chicago. It was one of those smaller commuter jets with two seats on either side of the aisle. The flight was perhaps one third full, giving sardined passengers the opportunity to move to the multiple open rows after the boarding process was complete. That’s when I noticed the two men, one a younger Muslim, the second an older black man, make their way from the back to the two seats behind the bulkhead on the right side of the plane, one row in front and across from me. Odd. If they wanted more breathing room, why were they choosing to sit together again in crammed quarters, given all the open rows? Why did they move at all? And if they remained together because they needed to visit, why didn’t they exchange a single word? I watched them as they just sat, staring straight ahead. And the plane also just sat by the gate, for a good fifteen minutes.

And then the hatch flew open and a half-dozen DHS/FBI agents rushed in, surrounded these two men, and flashing badges, ordered them off the plane.

Now stop for a minute. Imagine you were one of these two, and you were innocent. What would be your reaction if suddenly confronted by a small army of heat-packing federal agents demanding your removal? You might literally jump out of your seat belt in surprise. What? Me? Huh?! Why? What’s going on?! What’d I do? What’s the meaning of this? And the like. And that’s when it really got creepy. I watched as the two men stood up, and without a word, without a shred of emotion on their faces, calmly accompanied the agents off the plane. How else to explain this? They were expecting their detention.

The pilot would take to the intercom a few minutes later to explain what he could. Homeland Security had been running background checks on these two, and while nothing had registered on the computers, the flight crew was “just uncomfortable” -- as they had every reason to be.

1 posted on 12/14/2006 6:00:50 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

nice to meet you brent.


2 posted on 12/14/2006 6:05:40 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Har har.


3 posted on 12/14/2006 6:06:43 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
...and though the Department of Homeland Security would later report that they were a band of Syrian musicians en route to a gig in Las Vegas, Jacobsen learned that DHS also decided to classify the entire report.

I wasn't aware of this.

The only reason I can think of that these stories are not made public is that it might reveal some counter-terrorist methodology.

Its absolutely gotta be killing the Bush administration to remain quiet. There is a lot of fine work being performed by DHS.

And, I'll bet that democrat leaders are aware of DHS accomplishments as well, but they state otherwise just to regain power.

4 posted on 12/14/2006 6:12:11 PM PST by kidd
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To: aculeus
That's a creepy story. You know, these days everyone should learn a little (in fact, a lot) of hand-to-hand combat techniques. Just a little goes a long, long way. Chin Na (close-in grabbing, joint locks and stuff), Aikido, Karate, numerous Kung Fu styles Wing Chung, White Crane, Mantis, Hung Gar, all will leave you with a comfort level for those sudden punches, kicks, and entrapment holds that can come in handy when threatened by killer Muslims on closed in airplanes.

Here's on site with loads of tapes and books. You can try Amazon for martial arts books, or just search Google. The resources for study are limitless.

Do yourself a favor, don't stand there and be victim just because you don't have a gun in your hand. Learning enough to be effective is just too easy not to invest the time.

//preaching off
5 posted on 12/14/2006 6:12:58 PM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: aculeus
On the M. Levin radio show I heard one of the pilots from the US Air incident call in and he said that one of the muslims had nothing with him but playdoh which if I am correct has many properties of plastic explosive except of course the destructive aspect of it.

At the least it is very very odd that a grown man (regardless of religion) would carry that and nothing but that onboard a airplane.
6 posted on 12/14/2006 6:14:50 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: aculeus

Dh is a commercial airline pilot as are many, many of our friends from dh's active duty military days in aviation. And these friends are everywhere; United, Delta, USAir, American, Continental, Alaska, Northwest, Southwest, JetBlue and more. Dh is also an activated reservist.

That said, I'm only casually privy to information shared between these friends and their wives, and your hunch is correct. There is a lot happening out there that the general public (usually) doesn't see.


7 posted on 12/14/2006 6:17:54 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President**)
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To: aculeus

bump for publicity


8 posted on 12/14/2006 6:18:47 PM PST by VOA
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To: RunningWolf
one of the muslims had nothing with him but playdoh

Why would an adult, with no children, be carrying that stuff, unless:

  1. To blow something up
  2. It's some kind of sex toy?

9 posted on 12/14/2006 6:20:43 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 108-112)
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To: RunningWolf

Those Imams should have been dealt with according to the same protocol as a nimrod who jokes about a gun or a bomb, then multiply the penalty by six. Everything I read or heard about the incident indicates they were deliberately provocative. No, I don't know whether they were probing security or just fishing for an ACLU sponsored lawsuit, but their behavior was far more serious than the bomb or gun jokster who certainly would not be walking away after a few questions, getting an alternate flight and then getting to whine about discrimination to a pliant media.


10 posted on 12/14/2006 6:22:37 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: aculeus

When you meet your old friend Jack on an airplane, say hello, not Hi...........


11 posted on 12/14/2006 6:32:27 PM PST by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: aculeus

"On October 14, I was in Grand Rapids, having boarded United 5832 to Chicago. It was one of those smaller commuter jets with two seats on either side of the aisle. The flight was perhaps one third full, giving sardined passengers the opportunity to move to the multiple open rows after the boarding process was complete."

I was on a simlar flight earlier this year, and as i was exhausted I planned to nap on the flight - given that I occasionally snore, I headed for the back of the plane to stretch out. The steward calmly but VERY firmly offered me a seat up near the rest of the other passengers, and I laughed and complied, and I just warned him about the snoring.

Thinking back, after reading this...I probably caused them some concern! I've run into many stewards and stewardesses with attitudes, but I have nothing but sympathy for them now, every flight is a chance to run into this kind of thing!


12 posted on 12/14/2006 6:32:54 PM PST by ByDesign
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To: aculeus

tomorrow Cavuto is going to have a lawyer on, who plans on suing the 6 imams...........awesome!!!!


13 posted on 12/14/2006 6:33:47 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (What do you call 2 toddlers and some duct tape??........muslim body armor!!!!!!!)
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To: RunningWolf

The islamofacists know that aircraft are still the best way to kill a lot 0f people quickly and disrupt millions more.
They are plotting.
They are testing the security screening.
They know just their presence combined with a little strange behavior is enough to create anxiety and fear in otherwise normal people.


14 posted on 12/14/2006 6:37:55 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: aculeus

Perhaps the seat belt extenders could be used across an aisle to block folks from getting to an exit.


15 posted on 12/14/2006 6:42:04 PM PST by miele man
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
That said, I'm only casually privy to information shared between these friends and their wives, and your hunch is correct. There is a lot happening out there that the general public (usually) doesn't see.

Tell, me about it, I work in a dispatch office for a commuter airline. Last month we got a call from the air that a passenger had pulled down the wall seperating the lav from the aft cargo bin. There are two walls, so he would not have been able to get into the pit, but it was freaky. The FBI and airport police were waiting for him in Knoxville when they arrived. I went through the notifications, filled out my report, notified the FAA and went home. The next day I asked the Chief Pilot about it and he said DHS had taken over and it was out of our hands..

16 posted on 12/14/2006 6:44:16 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: RunningWolf; Alouette

>Why would an adult, with no children, be carrying that stuff, unless:<

Because you can take C-6, color it and it will look exactly like Playdough. Then put a blasting cap detonator in it, form a shape charge and you will have blown a hole in the side of the aircraft.

If you want to know how to get the blasting cap on board, past security, ask any teenager and they should be able to figure it out.

If there was no curiosity over the playdough, then the imams mission is accomplished.


17 posted on 12/14/2006 6:48:34 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: miele man

They would make a better weapon. Swinging the buckle .....


18 posted on 12/14/2006 6:49:37 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: aculeus

A special thanks for posting this. At this very moment, I am trying to explain this to a poster IN Grand Rapids on a Grand Rapids forum. He just doesn't get it. He also agrees that the Rapids bus company was right in changing their policy to allow veiled Muslims on the bus.


19 posted on 12/14/2006 6:50:03 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: cardinal4

Seems to me that would have taken some special knowledge of the part of the perp. I've never given any thought at all to what might be on the other side of the wall.


20 posted on 12/14/2006 6:52:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: RunningWolf

Nobody probably thought it was odd, after all, this seems to be the closest thing to work with those ROP nuts. If they aren't chopping off heads or protesting they need something to do.


21 posted on 12/14/2006 6:55:42 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: sageb1

It was a disturbing phone patch. I dont care what kind of anti-profiling laws are passed, I get nervous, Im calling the FAA and FBI, both numbers are in my cell phone. I dont give a damn what CAIR thinks..


22 posted on 12/14/2006 6:56:12 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: aculeus
Something is happening out there. And it’s not good.

Something is happening out there that is good. The Executive Branch of gov't has been protecting us effectively since 9/11. The seditious branch of gov't, RATS, have been trying to stymie him all along the way with the help of the news media, academia, lawyers, and every other bought and paid for liberal elitist using OUR money to do their nefarious bidding.

23 posted on 12/14/2006 6:57:53 PM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. Now, what's the question?)
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To: RunningWolf

Stick a wire from an mp3 headphone in it running to something in your hand and you may convince a man, whose family is on the plane, that you have a bomb.


24 posted on 12/14/2006 6:59:47 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: aculeus

Was that Grand Rapids MICHIGAN??


25 posted on 12/14/2006 7:01:46 PM PST by MomwithHope
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To: MomwithHope

"Was that Grand Rapids MICHIGAN??"

Yes. Why?


26 posted on 12/14/2006 7:08:15 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: aculeus

There are a lot more "lone wolfs" out there than we are allowed to see.


27 posted on 12/14/2006 7:15:53 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Tell your friends that we are keeping our fingers crossed. Pass the word when help is needed.


28 posted on 12/14/2006 7:19:08 PM PST by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first)
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To: miele man
A seat belt extender - or just a regular seat belt - is a great bolo weapon; particularly the end with the heavy release buckle.

Everyone should be aware that the belts in your seat are easily removable if you reach down and spread the scissor-clips holding them to the metal bail that is part of the seat. Would make an excellent dent in an uppity muzzies noggin.

29 posted on 12/14/2006 7:24:23 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: sgtyork

Crossing your fingers might help but folding your hands is a much bigger comfort. :)

I suppose I've gotten used to this routine as this is dh's 2nd activation. Thanks for the support :)


30 posted on 12/14/2006 7:27:26 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( **Hunter-Tancredo-Weldon-Hayworth 4 President**)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

The people on the airplane should sue the Imams for the delay. Why not? They sue the airlines!


31 posted on 12/14/2006 7:30:04 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: Vigilanteman
I believe their mission was two fold.


The fact that they themselves are now going to be sued is a good sign and I'm sure, a most unexpected development.  The entire incident has backfired on them and they are under far more scrutiny then US Airways.

If you haven't seen it yet, I have a humorous sendup of this entire incident here.

I think you will get quite a kick out of it.

Cheers,

knewshound

32 posted on 12/14/2006 7:53:31 PM PST by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: HardStarboard

Had not thought of that. Can't you just see the stewardesses adding that to their pre-takeoff routine?

Thanks.


33 posted on 12/14/2006 7:54:59 PM PST by miele man
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To: kidd
For more information, read Annie Jacobson's outstanding articles here.
34 posted on 12/14/2006 9:06:32 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: B4Ranch

Why would an adult, with no children, be carrying that stuff, unless:<

"Because you can take C-6, color it and it will look exactly like Playdough. Then put a blasting cap detonator in it, form a shape charge and you will have blown a hole in the side of the aircraft.

If you want to know how to get the blasting cap on board, past security, ask any teenager and they should be able to figure it out."

Bud, I don't know what you do for a living, but I doubt its selling shovels at Home Depot.

I do hope people like you are working these "issues" 24/7 though. And I will try to forget reading this the next time I hop an airliner. God I wish I could afford my own aircraft.


35 posted on 12/14/2006 9:22:54 PM PST by church16 (“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence..)
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To: B4Ranch
I know that, I guess I am a little reticent to state what is obvious to some but obscure to others.

And to the 2nd part, 'yes' or it could be improvised.

Wolf
36 posted on 12/14/2006 9:33:11 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: cardinal4

Thank you cardinal4. Two of my dear friends are flight attendants, and I hope several folks like you are on each and every flight!


37 posted on 12/15/2006 2:13:23 AM PST by MonicaG (Thank you and God bless you, excellent TROOPS!)
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To: miele man
Perhaps the seat belt extenders could be used across an aisle to block folks from getting to an exit.

You've got a buckle on a strap. That's also known as a weapon.

Mark

38 posted on 12/15/2006 2:18:47 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: church16

We're driving to Florida next year.


39 posted on 12/15/2006 2:24:44 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: aculeus

tagged for later reference...


40 posted on 12/15/2006 6:45:42 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: church16

http://youtube.com/v/J3UDCoQnXjA


41 posted on 12/16/2006 1:16:30 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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