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From Globalization to Localization [Or Why Globalization Sucks For Developed Countries]
Morgan Stanley ^ | Dec. 14, 2006 | Steven Roach

Posted on 12/15/2006 7:26:05 AM PST by conservativecorner

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To: GodGunsGuts
I placed all my bets on a falling dollar due to our massive deficits/debt-ridden economy and they have paid off handsomely

And after all those expenses you incur borrowing from credit cards to buy gold on margin, I imagine you're pocketing a princely 2-3% in annualized returns. If inflation is 8.5%, like you claim, you're getting your butt kicked and you are too stupid to realize it. But, like we always tell you, math is not for everyone.

And if they are, given the dirth (sic) of intelligence represented in your robotic posts

Tell us about those triple deficits again Mensa. LOL!

Investing in gold does nothing to help the economy. It doesn't supply capital to expand business nor does it help to create new technologies. It just sits there waiting for bad things to happen to society so you may profit. Placing profit before people. That's what you do. Doesn't sound very moral or patriotic to me. Maybe you shouldn't be lecturing anyone about either of them, hypocrite.

21 posted on 12/15/2006 10:37:31 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
Well gee wiz, based on your brilliant logic, Fort Knox should be emptied out because all the gold is just sitting there being unpatriotic. You're even dumber than I thought.
22 posted on 12/15/2006 10:41:19 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Petronski
Piece of cake, eh?

It is truly amazing that Gigi has always managed to buy at the low and sell at the high.

He must have attended this guy's school of economics.

23 posted on 12/15/2006 10:44:16 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: OpusatFR
"...the benefits of the second win have accrued primarily to the owners of capital

We must kill these greedy owners of capital. Just a bunch of blood sucking kulaks.

24 posted on 12/15/2006 10:55:27 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: conservativecorner; headsonpikes
The global labor arbitrage has put unrelenting pressure on employment and real wages in the high-cost developed world -- resulting in a compression of the labor income share down to a record low of 53.7% of industrial world national income in mid-2006.

I wonder why Roach doesn't include benefits?

this has proved to be a veritable bonanza for the return to capital -- pushing the profits share of national income in the major countries of the industrial world to historical highs of 15.6% in 2Q06.

Yeah, it's too bad none of the little people own any of the stock of companies with profits.

Over the five-year, 2001-05 period, real compensation per hour in the nonfarm business sector expanded at just a 1.4% average annual rate

Real compensation (that's adjusted for inflation for you poor math students) expanded? And I thought globalization sent all our high paying jobs to China.

25 posted on 12/15/2006 10:59:28 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Petronski; Mase; nopardons; Fan of Fiat
I placed all my bets on a falling dollar due to our massive deficits/debt-ridden economy and they have paid off handsomely.

Too bad about the low inflation number. If only the market were as smart as you, they'd know the real inflation rate was 8%.

26 posted on 12/15/2006 11:03:17 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: A. Pole

Interesting article bump.


27 posted on 12/15/2006 11:05:04 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If only the market were as smart as you, they'd know the real inflation rate was 8%.

Maybe if they had to piss in a bucket, like Gigi, rather than comfy indoor plumbing, they'd have the focus needed to recognize the true 8% inflation rate.

After all, the man with the bucket by his bedside is right, and the entire bond market is wrong.

28 posted on 12/15/2006 11:05:49 AM PST by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Mase

"And after all those expenses you incur borrowing from credit cards to buy gold on margin..."

Ahhh....you don't buy gold on margin if you are dealing with serious money. Margin is the kiss of death when dealing with highly volatile commods...

But, of course, you wouldn't know that...



29 posted on 12/15/2006 11:09:09 AM PST by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"We must kill these greedy owners of capital. Just a bunch of blood sucking kulaks."

That wasn't even worthy of argument.

~And I have a degree in Russian Studies from 1965 besides other degrees I currently hold.


30 posted on 12/15/2006 11:11:11 AM PST by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: OpusatFR
Ahhh....you don't buy gold on margin if you are dealing with serious money. Margin is the kiss of death when dealing with highly volatile commods...

ROFL!

31 posted on 12/15/2006 11:22:05 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: OpusatFR
That wasn't even worthy of argument.

So when you agreed with that line, you didn't think that was a bad thing?

32 posted on 12/15/2006 11:23:07 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with EPI, you're not a conservative!)
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To: OpusatFR
Margin is the kiss of death when dealing with highly volatile commods...

Maybe you should explain that to your comrade in doom, Gigi, since he's the one here buying gold on margin with debt incurred from credit card advances. That's the problem. Gigi doesn't have serious money. But he does pretend to be someone who does on FR.

But, of course, you wouldn't know that...

I'm not the one buying gold on margin. If you could read and comprehend you'd know that.

33 posted on 12/15/2006 11:41:46 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

We are commenting on a subject while not having to be within the industry. It's called research.


34 posted on 12/15/2006 12:07:48 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
We are commenting on a subject while not having to be within the industry

Gigi's the one who erroneously accused others of being in a specific industry. You are free to comment all you want.

It's called research.

That's something we see precious little of from your side of the argument. Unless you consider feelings research.

35 posted on 12/15/2006 12:15:35 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: 1rudeboy
Let me explain the coming two party system. Not demoncrat or Republican but Rich and Poor. It's another record year for salaries and bonuses on Wall Street while on Main Street the average joe six pack takes it in the shorts.
36 posted on 12/15/2006 12:15:45 PM PST by conservativecorner
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37 posted on 12/15/2006 12:17:22 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Mase

I'm willing to discuss any economic number you desire with supporting documentation. I've thrown down the glove, so pick it up or step aside concerning "feelings".


38 posted on 12/15/2006 12:17:38 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Toddsterpatriot
We must kill these greedy owners of capital. Just a bunch of blood sucking kulaks.

From the article:

"Don’t confuse this prognosis with advocacy. Many of these potential developments, especially a drift toward protectionism, are without any redeeming merit, in my view. But this is what happens when trends go to extremes. In free-market systems, the pendulum of economic power then invariably swings the other way. An era of localization will undoubtedly have more frictions than the unfettered strain of capitalism and globalization that has been so dominant over the past decade. The big question, in my view, pertains mainly to degree -- how far the pendulum swings from globalization to localization. The answer rests with politics. The repercussions lie in economics."

You essentially restate his conclusion, albeit sarcastically. In his scenario, the politicians essentially claim what you assert, and then act on it. That should be a warning to us all about the prospective programme of the Democrats particularly, although the Pubbies will be quick to pander, as well.

39 posted on 12/15/2006 12:26:02 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes

More heavy lifting from the challenged ones. LOL! Thank you for pointing out that Roach is a globalist.


40 posted on 12/15/2006 12:32:29 PM PST by conservativecorner
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