However, the Orenteus Finnaeus map:
Piri Reis Karte (1513)
Regardless, neither map antedates Columbus.
Oronteus Phynius (1531)
Posted on 12/16/2006 3:34:54 AM PST by jimtorr
ROSS ICE SHELF, Antarctica (Reuters) - From a distance, the ANDRILL operation appears out of nowhere like a mirage: a white-draped tower amid giant blue boxcars laid out on a frozen sea.
But this mammoth venture to drill through ice, ocean and back through time is as real as a science lab and as practical as an oil rig: hard-hatted drillers and scientists work in concert to find clues to a time when Antarctica was warm and wet.
Because the researchers are convinced that a warmer age is in prospect as a result of human-spurred global climate change, they want to know what things were like 10 million years ago, when warmer periods tended to wax and wane on the southern continent.
(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.co.uk ...
Ping.
It isn't scientific discovery if you already are biased toward the outcome you to which you want your data to point. It is junk science.
You already know what the answer will be...
5 warmer mperiods in the last 4 million years. What makes this period different? Guilt ridden men are here to report on it this time, that's what.
Why on earth are they still conducting research???!!! Al Gore told us all, that 'science' has proven Global Warming(TM) is caused by humans, and is going to kill us all in the next few years.
Second, why aren't the tree huggers complaining about drilling in pristine, untouched Antarctica? If this were an oil rig, we'd never hear the end of it.
Informative article that is besmirched by the unsupported assertion ..."of human-spurred global climate change." It is good science to investigate the climate changes of the past. The extra unsupported claim just lowers the entire article to a tabloid level. Whenever I come across a clearly unsupported assertion, I put the entire missive into a special bin for reading later with more scrutiny.
While there is scientific evidence to support a global warming trend, there is very little data to support human induced causal factors. Data from the investigation might provide needed evidence to prove or disprove the hypothesis that global warming is caused by man. The objectivity of the current investigation is questionable, though.
Throw money at hand-picked researchers, they'll tell you whatever you want.
My friend's graduate advisor has travelled to Antarctica, to conduct ice-core research. He took me through one of the freezers where they are stored, which was pretty neat.
I asked him what his advisor's opinion on the matter was, and he said that there is no way yet to prove that human activity is responsible for this.
All of this is really rabid liberalist academics pandering for attention and research dollars. Very very rarely is a benefactor willing to plop down cash for something about which he doesn't have a desired outcome. This goes equally the same for these "media" researchers.....snake oil...
Perhaps the people of London would prefer going back to coal fireplaces, giving up central heating. All that London smog probably kept the temp down a few degrees.
How horrible that clean air thins the atmosphere, Now the fearmongers want us to fear carbon dioxide! Hello - it is an essential molecule in cycle of life.
Yes, "scientists" with a vested interest in human caused global warming, should declare their bias.
We are experiencing global warming on Mars and Venus. The only thing in common is our Sun. The solar cycle just completed its solar max period. I do not know what the leftist scientists do with the volume of greenhouse gases coming from China, Africa, and India. Biomass burning adds tons of greenhouse gases to our atmosphere; one wood burning stove contributes more greenhouse gases than dozens of SUVs.
Our molten core, the Earth's magnetic field, the Moon, Sunspots (or Solar activity) and the timing of the Solar activity, our orbital relationship to the Sun among many other variables determine the climate. It is highly likely that Mankind has no measurable comparable impact on the climate of our earth. For example, with global warming from the Sun, the ocean's dissolved carbon dioxide is being expelled to the atmosphere as the ocean warms, like a cold soda or beer that goes flat, thus transporting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere; the Earth has a considerable volume of oceans compared to land masses.
..... It is junk science......
It is grant science. It is scientist welfare.
I've got an article I linked on my page about glaciers on Mars receding if you care to check it out.
The UN/IPCC funds a lot of this, certainly no bias or agenda there.
Another good one to learn about is Maurice Strong, the 'architect' of the Kyoto wealth-redistribution scam. He is similar to Soros, but not well known.
I'm still waiting for one of these nobs to explain to me what caused the last ice age to end, and how we know to a tenth of a degree what the earth's temp will be in 50 years, yet we can't get an accurate 5-day forecast.
I don't mind if someone with money to burn funds one of these "scientists" if he just wants to figure out why a bee doesn't fart. But when their motive is political and aimed at needlessly devolving life in the United States while curiously omitting the rest of the world, that's when I call it junk science (really just another word for bullshit science if you ask me).
I don't have a source, but I have read that a single volcano emits more CO2 than people generate.
"Because the researchers are convinced that a warmer age is in prospect as a result of human-spurred global climate change"
thats where I lost my interest
Garbage in, garbage out. That's the problem with quite a lot of these long-term projected temperature trends. They are based on various computer models that are flawed to begin with.
So this is a study by political scientists who are trying to support a political position by faking findings?
Your tax dollars in support of political ambition. Just keep electing these fruitcakes. Soon you won't have to vote!
Jupiter and Pluto show signs of it too.
The "cow fart" made me think how they're always reminding us of the great herds of >insert extinct animal here< that roamed the continents. I don't suppose they ever produced methane lol
do a google search on Mt. Pinatubo in the Philipines. There are also links to NASA satellite pictures of the atmospheric from space that show what the damage really was/is. That volcanoe spewed more pollutants and particulate, gases, etc. than ALL of human industrial history combined...
Maurice Strong, the 'architect' of the Kyoto wealth-redistribution scam. He is similar to Soros, but not well known.
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Just as non-PC scientists get no grants, any reporter who wanted to tell us about Maurice Strong would get no space in dominant media. Conrad Black's papers tried to spread the news about Strong, but instead Conrad Black was shut up - in similar fashion to the way our congressional dems silenced Tom DeLay, Curt Weldon, etc.
They also forget to discuss the underground coal fires in China that release 50% to 100% as much CO2 as is released by all the US cars and light trucks.
Because the researchers are convinced that a warmer age is in prospect as a result of human-spurred global climate change......they aren't really researchers, they're merely using grant money to push a political agenda. This isn't surprising though, because the notion of human-induced climate change is political in origin, and sustained only by politics, and not by data.
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That's the key. No research gets done without a grant these days. A researcher who does not make his grant issuers happy has a hard time getting further funding, and finds his research career going nowhere. The researchers who are left are people who are good at keeping their grant-issuers happy
When Antarctica Was GreenPeter Webb and his coworkers have found pollen and the remains of roots and stems of plants in an area stretching some 1300 kilometers along the Transantarctic Mountains. The Antarctic wood is so recent that it floats and burns with ease. Webb's group postulates that a shrub-like forest grew in Antarctica as recently as 3 million years ago... Nevertheless, these deposits of fresh-looking wood do suggest that trees recently grew only 400 miles from the South Pole. Also of interest is the fact that the sedimentary layers containing the wood have been displaced as much as 3000 meters by faults, indicating recent large-scale geological changes.
William R. Corliss
Science Frontiers
No. 45: May-Jun 1986
I don't know what to think of the real warming issue. Data on both sides.
I do know that the globalists are winding up fear mongering on all fronts.
And, I suspect that as the Iraq war stumbles down . . . the war with ET will be wound up.
There's been a LOT of added info and noise coming out of the woodwork on the UFO/ET front the last 6-9 months. Mostly added details to older incidents but some new typical ones, too.
Sure appears that they are all set to scare everyone into the global tyranny.
from jimtorr's links page (with thanks to Jim):
Antarctic Ice Sheet Mass Balance (yep, it's growing)
co2science.org | 8 November 2006 | Wingham, D.J., Shepherd, A., Muir, A. and Marshall, G.J.
Posted on 11/19/2006 6:51:00 PM EST by ChildOfThe60s
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1741303/posts
Fat-cat environmentalism
Source: The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Published: Monday, June 25, 2001 Author: editorial
Posted on 06/25/2001 06:05:15 PDT by Willie Green
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b37370b1253.htm
It is much more than a few research grants here. Many, if not most, Liberals believe they will be the natural ruling elite in the new world system that will be developed to cope with all the environmental disasters they have invented. They are the Communists for whom the term "Communist" has become embarrassing with the collapse of the Hope-Of-The-World Empire circa 1990.
I don't know what to think of the real warming issue. Data on both sides.Quite the contrary -- there is no supporting data for the notion of human-induced climate change.
I can believe that.
The business of the emmissions by trees usually gets left out. And that's just one source.
I agree the "researchers" are only the scavengers of the pseudoscientific-ecoterroristic--liberals who are bent on our domination because it makes them feel good...
would be funny if they struck oil.
The Tree SolutionAs Greenpeace expanded to become the world's largest international environmental organization, Moore's star steadily rose and he eventually became vice president of research. Then he did something even more unexpected than joining the organization in the first place. He packed up and quit... In the months before his departure, Moore had begun talking heresy. "The environmental movement had gone astray and lost its perspective on forests," Moore says. "Rather than cutting fewer trees and using less wood, we should be growing more trees and using more wood." Greenpeace branded him an eco-Judas. Now comes the biggest surprise of all. Recently published research suggests that Moore is right. Cutting down old trees could be the best way to thwart global warming.
by Jim Wilson
Interesting. Thanks.
Yes it appears so, here is an account from 1513.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis
The most striking characteristic of the first world map (1513) of Piri Reis, however, is the level of accuracy in positioning the continents (particularly the relation between Africa and South America) which was unparalleled for its time. Even maps drawn decades later did not have such accurate positioning and proportions; a quality which can be observed in other maps of Piri Reis in his Kitab-ý Bahriye (Book of Navigation). The map of Piri Reis perfectly fits an azimuthal equidistant projection of the world centered in Cairo, and some believe it's also the oldest surviving map of Antarctica, despite being drawn more than 3 centuries before the official discovery of that continent.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm
I agree with your statement but I read the entire story and didn't see a single quote attributed to actual scientists that supports Al Reuters' distortions. There's media bias aplenty on this issue. The intensity of the current pro-Global Warming propaganda campaign is stunning. By November 2007 they'll have the sheeple begging Hillary to take office if whe promises to "fix" the coming heat wave.
However, the Orenteus Finnaeus map:
Piri Reis Karte (1513)
Regardless, neither map antedates Columbus.
Oronteus Phynius (1531)
They're always looking into the past, drilling into the past. Isn't there someplace we can put the boat so it drills into the future?
However, Hapgood, whom I respect even though he taught at a Teachers College, says that these old maps are copies of really old maps.
There's a notation right on one of these old (but post-1492) maps to the effect that it's based on older material (including maps) going back to the time of Alexander the Great. One of the brains of the Elizabethan court made a similar claim (again, long after 1492) for material he had around.
There isn't anything around today that is that anywhere near that old, and these supposedly precocious maps aren't accurate, which indicates confabulation; Oronteus Finnaeus' map shows an invented version of Antarctica that is part of Tierra del Fuego, consistent with its vintage, which postdates Magellan (first acc't published in 1525, it sez here), and shows Antarctica spun 180 degrees (at best).
The Voyage around the Erythraean Sea
Silk Road | 2004 | William H. Schoff
Posted on 09/12/2004 10:55:44 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1214273/posts
both of these topics have been pulled:
The Periplus of Hanno, King of the Carthaginians,
ed. Megalommatis,
a Book Review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1156906/posts
The Periplus of the Red Sea,
edition Megalommatis,
a Book Review
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1154520/posts
[irrelevant note: Megalommatis has something recent on the web, claiming that Ethiopia's real name is Abyssinia, and that there wouldn't be military problems in the Horn of Africa if it went by its "real" name; he sez the same about Iraq and Afghanistan]
Researchers? no science here, political research under way.
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