Skip to comments.Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie
On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt
Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?
Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?
Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?
Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.
It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom
What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.
For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.
There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.
Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.
Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.
There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.
Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.
The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.
Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.
There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.
Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.
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This thread is terrible.
Hey, my brother.
If we send too many troops over there, we risk being received as occupiers.
We don't need more troops in Iraq. Washington simply needs to let the troops do their jobs as they did in WWII, and the White House needs to do to the media what FDR did in WWII (pour them a nice big cup of STFU).
Hey good to see ya
I don't understand why this deserves a top banner headline on Drudge. This is not that important a story in the news of the day.
WOW, Johnnie, just wow!
Hey Johnnie! You are right about Newt. If he wants to adjust the troop level, let him run for President. THe only people who have a say in that are the President, the SecDef, and the officers whose job it is to do the best job they can.
Is it Rush today or isn't it? His website does not say
I watched Newt on yesterdays MTP.....hard for me to believe that the above is Rush's response to what Newt had to say yesterday.........
Ready for the new Houston station? I felt bad this morning that Rush would not be on KPRC. LOL.
Obama Allure Tempts Team Hillary; Her black operatives are eyeing the other guy.?
by Geoffrey Gray | New York Magazine | December 18, 2006
Barack Obama's potential presidential run is creating a quandary for Hillary Clinton's African-American operatives. "I'm in a bad dilemma," says Bill Lynch, a Harlem-based lobbyist, political strategist, and former deputy mayor under David Dinkins. "He's reached out to have a meeting with us and I have not said no." In 2000 and 2006, Lynch was retained by Clinton to do work for her campaigns, and he was planning on working for her again in '08.
But the prospect of a "rock star" black candidate in the race changes things, Lynch says. He plans to meet with Obama's office in the coming weeks (though Kevin Wardally, who works for Lynch and consulted for Clinton, says she's still their first choice). Clinton enjoys a 95 percent approval rating among black voters, Lynch operatives note, thanks in some part to their groundwork.
Asked about losing consultants like Lynch to Obama, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says: "I've loved working with Bill Lynch. The senator has loved working with Bill Lynch. And we look forward to talking with him about the future."
Rush's Morning Update: Exercise causes cancer!
Newt and Powell need to shut their face.
Regan was the publisher of Rush, Sean, and various others for whom she made big bucks and might make big bucks in the future. Of course, she rates on Drudge.
Notice the past tense in the lovED working with Lynch.
You tuned into the new Houston station?
Hi; in for hour one.
How many yards he get yesterday?
Did you have a good weekend?
Newsbusters.org---Discussing the Time magazine person of the year choice on The View this morning, yenta-in-residence Joy Behar blurted out:
"You have to put like a Hitler type. Like you put Donald Rumsfeld there or something."
When some in the audience began to jeer, Behar broke into a huge, mock-surprised smile...
My pop up blocker won't let me.
Not bad thanks; apart from Manchester City getting beat!
Rumsfeld is Hitler now? That Joy is such a POS.
Turn it off. LOL.
I'm doing good.
Not sure about yesterday.
"Through 13 weeks this season, Barber has run for 1,282 yards. He is only one of three NFL players to amass more than 10,000 rushing yards and 5,000 receiving yards in his career."
Newsbusters.org | December 18, 2006 - 08:23.
Someone should suggest to Meredith Vieira that when trying to ingratiate oneself with Hillary Clinton, it's best to avoid words bringing "imperious" to mind. But if the execution was flawed, no one can deny the fervor with which Vieira endorsed Hillary's paean to big-government, 'It Takes A Village'. Here's how Vieira opened her interview with Hillary on this morning's Today:
"I want to start with 'It Takes a Village' '07 because this book came out ten years ago, and a lot has happened in the past ten years that makes it I think even more imperative that we will need a village to raise healthy, secure children."
What a terrible game. How you doing?
T.O. is an embarrassment. I wish Jerry would get a clue and get rid of that cancer.
Hello back at you!
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Tank Johnson is such a idiot.
Her thighs are cottage cheese.
When you posted the original version of this post yesterday in the Sunday Talk Show Thread, it was probably one of the best posts there I have ever read. It's great to see it here, now, and I hope it generates a LOT of thought/comments.
General Abizaid is such a terrific professional soldier. On military topics, he's the one to listen to--not guys like Newt Gingrich or John McCain. Doesn't the DC "establishment" remember LBJ's and McNamara's disastrous micromanagement of the military?
Rush read your post? LOL.
I am listening on WLS-AM. The only complaint I have is that they are about 30 seconds behind. THat means by the time I comment on something, it has already been said.
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