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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread (?) Monday Dec 18th, 2006
RushLimbaugh.com | 12-18-2006

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie

On Sunday's Meet the Depressed Mr Newt stuck his whole head in it once again. He said we needed to send 500,000 troops to Iraq. Some questions for Mr Newt

Hey Newt, We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam at the height of our involvement. How did that work out for us?

Curious, where are you going to get the 500,000 troops for Iraq? How long do they stay? What are they going to be doing?

Gee Newt, I guess I missed the part of your Resume that covered your military background. Which Staff Schools did YOU attend Newt?

Newt has become a perfect machine politician. He simply is picking up on what the DC Political-Media complex wants to hear and saying it. He and McCain are basically the singing the same one note DC Marching song. This way both of them can placate the Right by saying "See we are supporting the troops" and still suck up to the DC noise machine by being against how the Iraq mission is being run by the President.

It is short attention span theater time again. The American people simply lack the emotional or intellectually discipline to face anything that requires sustained effort. So as usually the political snake oil salesmen are crawling out of the slime with the usual simplistic answers and easy fixes. Only problem is what they are trying to selling on Iraq is pure poison. The DC "Conventional Wisdom" on Iraq is, as usual, neither conventional nor wisdom

What Newt SHOULD be doing is listening to what Gen Abizaid told the US Senate when he came back from Iraq to testify to the US Senate in mid November. Newt should become Gen Abizaid's standard bearer. Position himself as the guy covering our troops back from the idiots in DC who STILL have learned nothing since LBJ screwed up "Nam.

For example, Newt could be raising the point that when asked specifically about troop levels by Sen McCain, Gen Abizaid (who only happens to be the actual commander on the Ground in Iraq) all but told McCain he is an utter idiot on Iraq. Gen Abizaid made it clear he did NOT need more troops. Newt should cut himself out of the 2008 pack by being the sane serious voice on Iraq backing up the Military rather then merely howling after the Junk Media pack. This "More Troops" propaganda line is both stupid political strategy and stupid military strategy.

There are 4 reasons why too many troops can be as bad as too few troops in a Counter Insurgency Mission.

Retardation, Marginalization, Friction and Unrealistic expectations.

Too many troops retards the locals efforts to develop their own military/political structure to govern . It takes time and effort to train and blood troops. It especially takes time to train up the cadre to run a serious military. Good NCOs and Officers are not born, they are made. This was on of the major US mistakes in Vietnam. It was easier to just have the US troops take over doing everything then work through the leaning curve of the locals. Problem was once the US no longer had the political will to carry on the mission they simply dumped the problem on an under developed Vietnamese political/military structure.

There is this odd American arrogance that seem to think ONLY Americans can do anything. Everyone else is incompetent and or corrupt. Only problem is the American public, like most spoiled brats, lacks the emotional or mental discipline to stick with unpleasant difficult tasks. Too many US troops would simply retards all efforts to get the locals to the point they can contain or break the Insurgents for themselves then when the petulant American people simply decided they wanted us to go home, there would be no one to pick up the bat for us.

Too many troops also marginalizes efforts to develop a counter political structure strong enough to break or contain the Insurgency. It deligitmizes the locals efforts and makes them simply look as lackeys of the occupying power. Having the US run everything marginalizes the political credibility of the local political structure and spurs the Insurgents propaganda and recruitment efforts.

The more troops the more friction with the locals. Face it, having a bunch of hyper aggressive mostly young mostly male Americans suddenly descend on you town is NO ones idea of a good time. Even in our own military towns there is a lot of friction between the locals and the military. Think how much worse that would be in an alien culture with a living memory of being a colony in everything but name? A heavily armed society with an exaggerated sense of male empowerment? Basically you have two aggressive testosterone drive heavily armed dominate male groups in close proximity.

Unrealistic Expectations. Send a lot troop and the expectation is you can quickly and easily solve all problems and bring the boys home. No, not in a Counter Insurgency. Counter Insurgency is evolutionary, not revolutionary. It takes time and lots of back breaking effort.. Sending a whole lot of troops simply exhausted your fiscal and military resources faster.

There are other things such as the added friction both on the locals and the US forces of having heavily armed, under trained conventional troops performing close combat operations in civilian areas. The counter productive results of a "kill people and wreck stuff" Conventional mentality in dealing with a Asymmetrical threat etc etc etc.

Frankly the DC Noise machine should simply shut up and get out of the US Military's way. They studied Vietnam hard and actually have the right answers here. As in Vietnam, the problem here is the "Washington Knows Best" mentality of the entrenched political media power structure who simply will sacrifice anything and anyone to avoid having to admit GW Bush has been right about Iraq all along.


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Is it Rush today or isn't it? His website does not say.
1 posted on 12/18/2006 8:37:33 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: EmilyGeiger; NonValueAdded; LibertyisSpecial; HOYA97; ICFN(ICan'tFixNothing); StoneWall Brigade; ...

http://gunbarrelcityradio.com/InGodWeStillTrust.wmv

Thanks to Freeper EmilyGeiger for the link to this song.


Listen to Rush on Line.

http://www.jasoncann.org/radio.htm

http://radio.findanisp.com/radio-shows-on-air.php


2 posted on 12/18/2006 8:38:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Morning Johnnie.


3 posted on 12/18/2006 8:38:24 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

Rudy on Reagan and his legacy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=reagan

This thread is terrible.


4 posted on 12/18/2006 8:40:26 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

Hey, my brother.


5 posted on 12/18/2006 8:40:32 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: MNJohnnie

If we send too many troops over there, we risk being received as occupiers.


6 posted on 12/18/2006 8:41:31 AM PST by bobjam
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To: MNJohnnie

We don't need more troops in Iraq. Washington simply needs to let the troops do their jobs as they did in WWII, and the White House needs to do to the media what FDR did in WWII (pour them a nice big cup of STFU).


7 posted on 12/18/2006 8:42:23 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Morning.


8 posted on 12/18/2006 8:44:12 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rightinthemiddle

Hey good to see ya


9 posted on 12/18/2006 8:44:18 AM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Drudge: DRAMA: REGAN FIGHTS BACK AFTER MURDOCH CUT

I don't understand why this deserves a top banner headline on Drudge. This is not that important a story in the news of the day.

10 posted on 12/18/2006 8:45:59 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yhello!


11 posted on 12/18/2006 8:48:03 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: MNJohnnie
In Houston Rush has moved to a new station, today being the first broadcast. I don't think that it would be anything but 'The Man' for the first broadcast.
12 posted on 12/18/2006 8:48:51 AM PST by txroadhawg ("To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors." Ronald Reagan)
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To: MNJohnnie

WOW, Johnnie, just wow!


13 posted on 12/18/2006 8:51:24 AM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: MNJohnnie

Hey Johnnie! You are right about Newt. If he wants to adjust the troop level, let him run for President. THe only people who have a say in that are the President, the SecDef, and the officers whose job it is to do the best job they can.


14 posted on 12/18/2006 8:51:24 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Morning.


15 posted on 12/18/2006 8:51:56 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Is it Rush today or isn't it? His website does not say


I watched Newt on yesterdays MTP.....hard for me to believe that the above is Rush's response to what Newt had to say yesterday.........


16 posted on 12/18/2006 8:51:59 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Sensei Ern

Ready for the new Houston station? I felt bad this morning that Rush would not be on KPRC. LOL.


17 posted on 12/18/2006 8:53:05 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: All

18 posted on 12/18/2006 8:53:30 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: MarkLevinFan
I think this is very interesting...

Obama Allure Tempts Team Hillary; Her black operatives are eyeing the other guy.?

by Geoffrey Gray | New York Magazine | December 18, 2006

Barack Obama's potential presidential run is creating a quandary for Hillary Clinton's African-American operatives. "I'm in a bad dilemma," says Bill Lynch, a Harlem-based lobbyist, political strategist, and former deputy mayor under David Dinkins. "He's reached out to have a meeting with us and I have not said no." In 2000 and 2006, Lynch was retained by Clinton to do work for her campaigns, and he was planning on working for her again in '08.

But the prospect of a "rock star" black candidate in the race changes things, Lynch says. He plans to meet with Obama's office in the coming weeks (though Kevin Wardally, who works for Lynch and consulted for Clinton, says she's still their first choice). Clinton enjoys a 95 percent approval rating among black voters, Lynch operatives note, thanks in some part to their groundwork.

Asked about losing consultants like Lynch to Obama, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says: "I've loved working with Bill Lynch. The senator has loved working with Bill Lynch. And we look forward to talking with him about the future."

19 posted on 12/18/2006 8:54:19 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MNJohnnie

Rush's Morning Update: Exercise causes cancer!


20 posted on 12/18/2006 8:54:32 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: MNJohnnie

Newt and Powell need to shut their face.


21 posted on 12/18/2006 8:56:13 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: OldFriend
Morning feisty.
22 posted on 12/18/2006 8:57:00 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC

Regan was the publisher of Rush, Sean, and various others for whom she made big bucks and might make big bucks in the future. Of course, she rates on Drudge.


23 posted on 12/18/2006 8:57:20 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: MaestroLC

Notice the past tense in the lovED working with Lynch.


24 posted on 12/18/2006 8:58:57 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: MarkLevinFan
See you in the Hall of Fame!

25 posted on 12/18/2006 8:59:43 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

You tuned into the new Houston station?


26 posted on 12/18/2006 9:02:47 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27; All

Hi; in for hour one.


27 posted on 12/18/2006 9:04:20 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

How many yards he get yesterday?


28 posted on 12/18/2006 9:04:25 AM PST by MarkLevinFan
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To: UKRaddell

Did you have a good weekend?


29 posted on 12/18/2006 9:04:46 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie
The positive aspect in this is that the audience jeered!

Newsbusters.org---Discussing the Time magazine person of the year choice on The View this morning, yenta-in-residence Joy Behar blurted out:

"You have to put like a Hitler type. Like you put Donald Rumsfeld there or something."

When some in the audience began to jeer, Behar broke into a huge, mock-surprised smile...

30 posted on 12/18/2006 9:05:34 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No

My pop up blocker won't let me.


31 posted on 12/18/2006 9:06:08 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Not bad thanks; apart from Manchester City getting beat!
Yourself?


32 posted on 12/18/2006 9:06:39 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: MNJohnnie

hERE!

RUSH LIVE!


33 posted on 12/18/2006 9:07:00 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: MaestroLC

Rumsfeld is Hitler now? That Joy is such a POS.


34 posted on 12/18/2006 9:07:02 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Turn it off. LOL.


35 posted on 12/18/2006 9:07:26 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: UKRaddell

I'm doing good.


36 posted on 12/18/2006 9:07:42 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MarkLevinFan

Not sure about yesterday.

"Through 13 weeks this season, Barber has run for 1,282 yards. He is only one of three NFL players to amass more than 10,000 rushing yards and 5,000 receiving yards in his career."


37 posted on 12/18/2006 9:08:25 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Jesus is the reason for the season.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Definitely a Rush day..live in his green lime shirt! Here in work, lurk, n'lucn mode...thanks for the ping!
38 posted on 12/18/2006 9:09:10 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Vieira To Hillary: Your Big-Government Plans 'More Imperative' Than Ever

Newsbusters.org | December 18, 2006 - 08:23.

Someone should suggest to Meredith Vieira that when trying to ingratiate oneself with Hillary Clinton, it's best to avoid words bringing "imperious" to mind. But if the execution was flawed, no one can deny the fervor with which Vieira endorsed Hillary's paean to big-government, 'It Takes A Village'. Here's how Vieira opened her interview with Hillary on this morning's Today:

"I want to start with 'It Takes a Village' '07 because this book came out ten years ago, and a lot has happened in the past ten years that makes it I think even more imperative that we will need a village to raise healthy, secure children."

39 posted on 12/18/2006 9:09:28 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: LibertyLee

What a terrible game. How you doing?


40 posted on 12/18/2006 9:09:41 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: LibertyLee
ESPN = Hypocrites

T.O. is an embarrassment. I wish Jerry would get a clue and get rid of that cancer.

41 posted on 12/18/2006 9:10:35 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Hello back at you!


42 posted on 12/18/2006 9:10:40 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Good afternoon, CC27..your Bears were GREAT! unlike the Jacksonville QB ...Home field throughout...wow!
43 posted on 12/18/2006 9:11:39 AM PST by LibertyLee (George W. Bush a Great President--US out of the UN and UN out of the US!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Try going through The stream centre; the streams use your own player.

http://www.thestreamcenter.com/pagestate.asp


44 posted on 12/18/2006 9:12:03 AM PST by UKRaddell (I might be movin' to Montana soon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Her Thighness is flavored like grilled cheese...
45 posted on 12/18/2006 9:12:30 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: LibertyLee

Tank Johnson is such a idiot.


46 posted on 12/18/2006 9:12:47 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MaestroLC

Her thighs are cottage cheese.


47 posted on 12/18/2006 9:13:10 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: MNJohnnie

Morning Johnnie,

When you posted the original version of this post yesterday in the Sunday Talk Show Thread, it was probably one of the best posts there I have ever read. It's great to see it here, now, and I hope it generates a LOT of thought/comments.

General Abizaid is such a terrific professional soldier. On military topics, he's the one to listen to--not guys like Newt Gingrich or John McCain. Doesn't the DC "establishment" remember LBJ's and McNamara's disastrous micromanagement of the military?


48 posted on 12/18/2006 9:13:32 AM PST by CDB
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To: MaestroLC

Rush read your post? LOL.


49 posted on 12/18/2006 9:14:27 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I am listening on WLS-AM. The only complaint I have is that they are about 30 seconds behind. THat means by the time I comment on something, it has already been said.


50 posted on 12/18/2006 9:15:40 AM PST by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - For a good time visit www.laurelbaptisttemple.org)
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