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Mt. Hood Body Identified As Kelly James
The Associated Press ^ | Dec 18, 2006 | JOSEPH B. FRAZIER

Posted on 12/18/2006 8:47:53 AM PST by george76

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To: wideawake

What did the mother say? I missed that article.

Thanks!


61 posted on 12/18/2006 10:29:21 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon; raftguide

It sounds like they all stayed in the first snow cave overnight on Friday night. Probably because of the weather or it was getting too dark to decend over the south side of the summit as they had planned. On Saturday two climbers hiked away from the first cave along the summit ridge. The second cave was like an impromptu shelter, as though the weather got bad on them so they tried to shelter themselves quickly. It sounds like they were trying to find their decent route but couldn't, so they sheltered themselves and clipped themselves in. So, it's like the two climbers (one of them James?) got stuck and hampered by the weather while trying to descend. I hope that makes sense.


62 posted on 12/18/2006 10:31:05 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: george76

It's been a deadly fall on the Pacific Coast due to all that "global warming" we've had since October.


63 posted on 12/18/2006 10:31:06 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Rte66

Hood is 11 thousand plus feet. Many bigger mountains are over 14 thousand just in the continental US.

One problem is the winter storms that roll in from the ocean.

Another issue is the route : there are easy and harder ones.


64 posted on 12/18/2006 10:32:41 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Rte66
I also read yesterday on another FR thread about this that Mt Hood isn't that big a deal to climb - the poster said average Joes and grannies just walk right up it - so I'm a little confused about all the drama involved in this.

IFAIR, the south/south-eastern side is pretty easy climbing if one traverses the slope. The north and north-western side is serious technical climbing.

What obviously makes Hood a good winter technical climb is that the challenge is very great, but highly accessible, and has a relatively "easy" walk-off exit (enter north-side, exit south-side).

This makes for a very real high-mountain experience which one can accomplish in a long weekend, rather than the weeks involved in a true "back-country" trip, making it a perfect place to practice for larger expeditions, and a mecca for "day-climbers" that want the experience, but can't commit the time and money needed for a big trip.

-Bruce

65 posted on 12/18/2006 10:36:28 AM PST by roamer_1
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To: george76

and the time of year is a big factor too. Think of Mt. Fuji which 90 year old men climb in the summer, and practically no one attempts in the winter.


66 posted on 12/18/2006 10:38:18 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Abigail Adams

Thanks for your summary of the press conference.


67 posted on 12/18/2006 10:39:41 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: rbmillerjr

Not the same. At all.


68 posted on 12/18/2006 10:43:35 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: rbmillerjr
But I wonder how many hunters on FR, still go hunting despite all of the fatalities involved in hunting.

Not really a fair comparison. Hunting can put food on the table. Mountain climbing is just for fun.

69 posted on 12/18/2006 10:59:58 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Life's greatest obstacle is in the mirror.)
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To: Abigail Adams; roses of sharon; raftguide; LiveFree99

AA, your summary surmises that James was one of the two who hiked away from the first cave. It leaves out the puzzle piece of the cell phone call he made to his family, in which he told them that he was staying behind in a snow cave because of his condition, while the other two left to try getting back down the mountain to get help.

James was found in the second, not the well built, cave/shelter. TV talking heads have speculated that James could have for some reason, maybe even irrational reason, left the well-built snow cave and tried to do something on his own when the other two didn't return and no other help came. Maybe by then his body was losing it and so was his mind, and he would not have survived even if staying put, we don't know.

But it seems clear that he did move his location. They said the second spot was approximately on a parallel horizontal line with the first...not much up or down from it, and not too far. They also said the body was literally frozen solid.






70 posted on 12/18/2006 11:01:07 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: ClearBlueSky; PSYCHO-FREEP

Roger that!


71 posted on 12/18/2006 11:01:56 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Life's greatest obstacle is in the mirror.)
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To: wideawake

Send them a bill for helicopters and search parties who risked their own lives for this foolishness.


72 posted on 12/18/2006 11:06:33 AM PST by tessalu
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To: wideawake

These three families have become very close. Hopefully they can see each other through their grief, along with the many prayers being sent their way. My heart just aches for them.


73 posted on 12/18/2006 11:08:13 AM PST by derllak
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To: txrangerette

I wonder if the second cave was not a cave but a grave? Could he have been buried there by the others?


74 posted on 12/18/2006 11:13:53 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: from occupied ga
There have been over 130 deaths on Mt Hood in the last hundred years by contrast Mt Everest has killed about 175 in the same time period. So going be the numbers, Hood isn't a walk in the park.

Hood is definitely challenging and dangerous, especially in winter. However, it is worth noting that Mt. Hood is attempted by something like 10,000 climbers per year, whereas Everest is attempted by maybe a few hundred per year. So, the odds of dying on Mt. Everest are considerably greater than on Mt. Hood.

75 posted on 12/18/2006 11:16:20 AM PST by Sicon
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To: roses of sharon
What did the mother say?

Basically, she addressed Mt. Hood in the second person the way someone on TV whose loved one was being held for ransom would address a kidnapper - "Mt. Hood, you have no right to hold my son! . . . give my son back to me, Mt. Hood! . . . " -it was very sad, she had clearly lost it.

And yet the cameras kept rolling.

76 posted on 12/18/2006 11:18:12 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: george76

I think that if climbers want to risk their lives for the thrill - they could at least show some consideration and wear GPS trackers so that the rescuers and/or recovery people can find them quickly and easily. I really hate to see the poor unselfish rescue folks wasteing their holidays and the holidays of their families just because someone wanted the thrill of a climb and planned poorly. GPS would make rescue/recovery much simpler and less time consuming. It would show consideration for us small unimportant folks and the taxpayers.


77 posted on 12/18/2006 11:21:01 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: rbmillerjr

I think that their families know where they are hunting and that it is relatively easy to check on a hunter. Many who hunt in a blind or stands let someone know exactly where they will be just in case of a problem. It's called CONSIDERATION. Climbers need to be more considerate and wear GPS.


78 posted on 12/18/2006 11:24:29 AM PST by Martins kid
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
It's cases like this that offset my sympathy with contempt for the concept of extreme defiance, which has become so popular these days.

Well put. My 2-cents: the cost of this rescue/recovery mission must be astronomical by now. I haven't been watching much on the news, but I saw a clip this morning where rescuers were boarding one of those large 2-rotor helicopters. I was wondering how many thousands of dollars a minute it took to operate that thing.

79 posted on 12/18/2006 11:26:15 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: txrangerette
AA, your summary surmises that James was one of the two who hiked away from the first cave. It leaves out the puzzle piece of the cell phone call he made to his family, in which he told them that he was staying behind in a snow cave because of his condition, while the other two left to try getting back down the mountain to get help.

I haven't been able to find the specific comments he made in the call, but someone on another thread characterized them as muddled. One wonders whether he really had his wits about him when he made that call.

80 posted on 12/18/2006 11:29:26 AM PST by NittanyLion
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