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U.S.: DISMAY AT ARREST OF ETHNIC SERBS
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Posted on 12/18/2006 10:58:24 AM PST by kronos77

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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Yes , I saw . The guy's hilarious .

And have you seen his self introduction ?

It's a scream . He was in the US ARMY AND THE US AIR FORCE . And now he spends his time defending SS war criminals who worked with BIN LADEN and the IRANIAN VEVAK .

Spot the irony .

Even after 9 11 he can't find a single wrong thing to say about members of the Muslim Brotherhood .

And we're talking POST 9 11 .

This is going to be a Christmas to remember .

Red Adare , do us proud and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE keep on posting .


201 posted on 12/21/2006 9:45:38 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

You wrote

"I tried to get Red6 to answer a few questions in the context of his thesis that Serbia and Nazi Germany are (were) equivalent."

It's not surprising .

The guy's a HOLOCAUST DENIER and what they always do is try to cheapen the suffering of the JEWISH people in WW2 . A sure fire way to achieve this is make ridiculous comparisons .

It's your classic HOLOCAUST DENIAL line of argument .

Red6 compares one side's behaviour in a FOUR WAY CIVIL WAR that killed at most 100,000 on ALL sides with the NAZI's extermination of 6,000,000 JEWS , not to mention ROMA and SLAVS , etc .

For all of us , it's ridiculous and grotesque in the extreme, but to the amoral , there's no difference . They REALLY can't see how nonsensical , not to say obscene , this kind of comparison is .

They REALLY think it's powerful advocacy .

The clincher to all of this is he's a big time IZETBEGOVICH fan who was himself a HOLOCAUST DENIER . Birds of a feather....

Moral equivalency from the amoral.

Nothing new . Same old shit .


202 posted on 12/21/2006 10:02:20 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Hoplite

["Because the Serbs didn't start pushing them across the border into Macedonia and Albania until NATO started bombing."]

Hey Santa Claus, is it common for you to make up stories during Christmas time?


203 posted on 12/22/2006 12:09:17 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
No Kosovo for you, and coal in your stocking.

Ho-ho-ho.

204 posted on 12/22/2006 5:23:14 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: infidel_pride
Somethings are not worth a response.

However, AQ dropping the WTC does not give me the legal right nor moral justification to do wrong onto others who had NOTHING to do with the attacks.

The terrorists of 911 made their plans in Hamburg Germany. Maybe we should bomb Germany? You arguments make no sense, they are full of logical fallacies, and personal attacks. In layman's terms, your arguments are stupid. Emotional shallow babel.

Learn to construct a coherent argument and maybe we can talk.
205 posted on 12/22/2006 6:29:26 AM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6; infidel_pride

infidel slaps your ass up and down this thread and that's the best response you have? That's pathetic.


206 posted on 12/22/2006 10:26:13 AM PST by getoffmylawn (Greg Dulli will steal your girlfriend.)
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To: getoffmylawn

Yes, there is reason why the "View" or "Springer" have such high ratings. There are many irrational and emotional screamers out there, like you.

I can't compensate for a poor upbringing and low end education in my posts. It's not realistic for me get you to understand how to construct a basic argument. If you have any desire to come out of that mental slum in which you live you can start by learning what a fallacy is.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org

or:

http://www.philosophypages.com/lg/index.htm

or:

http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~janzb/reasoning/

There are many books devoted to basic reasoning skills, something you and your screamer friends are having a hard time with.

Merry Christmas my heathen and savage friend.


207 posted on 12/22/2006 12:40:18 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Hoplite
["Coal in your stocking."]

That's all I get from you for Christmas?...Such ingratitude after all I've done for this year :-)

Merry Christmas Hoplite.
208 posted on 12/22/2006 11:30:15 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Red6

You know exactly what I was talking about ;-)


209 posted on 12/22/2006 11:33:26 PM PST by getoffmylawn (Greg Dulli will steal your girlfriend.)
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To: Red6

Red6 you wrote

"I can't compensate for a poor upbringing and low end education in my posts."

YOU SAID .

STOP PRESS STOP PRESS

Holocaust denier admits to very low IQ . Blames it on ejucashun and famerlee .

Pray , tell us more , Red6 , oh man of low intelligence , crappy education and deprived childhood .



210 posted on 12/23/2006 12:27:43 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6

Hi there Red6 , man of low intelligence and poor upbringing , you wrote

"Somethings are not worth a response.

However, AQ dropping the WTC does not give me the legal right nor moral justification to do wrong onto others who had NOTHING to do with the attacks."

So you felt it WAS worthy of a response . Because you did respond .

NOW you're claiming that EIJ had nothing to do with 9 11 . I hate to break it to you but the EIJ ain't exactly Ohio Presbyterians . Just ask Sadat of Egypt . Oh , I forgot . They killed him .

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/1999/462/murder.jpg

Brilliant , oh man of meagre means , sub standard intellect and crappy childhood .


211 posted on 12/23/2006 12:35:10 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride

Zacarias Moussaoui was French

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/14/notebook/main1499374.shtml

The plan for 911 was developed in Hamburg, where a lot of your logistics was based out of as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2349195.stm

By your rationale we should invade France and bomb Germany.
--

You make no sense, and the fact that you don’t even care about making sense shows that you have no intent to be intellectually honest in this debate.

Many of your arguments are based on attempting to associate 911 with the Muslims in Bosnia, something which became very popular after 911. It’s a poor argument since the connections are weak at best (Another fallacy). I could literally construct a better argument for attacking Italy, Germany, or France, which are our allies in the GWOT. And yes, such an argument would be stupid. As said several times already, the foundation of your arguments are logically flawed, you argue with cliché, you attack personally, but you have little to no “substance” to back your “opinions”.

You have a “Feindbild” (A good German word since there really is no English equivalent in meaning that entails the some spirit of this word), but you have no real arguments to back it. The Germans likewise were taught to hate the Jews years past, but they too had no real basis for their feeling towards these people who in WWI fought bravely along side of other Germans and died as well for their country. The Jewish community was an educated, hard working community rich in culture and scientific thinking. But if you look at the Nazi propaganda you will see a distortion of reality just like you attempt to distort. But again, of course, there are NO parallels to Nazi Germany and what happened in the Balkans, right?

Sociopath:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath

Regimes like in Serbia or that of the Nazi’s typically have a sort of near collective sociopathic tendency. From Mao to Stalin or yes Milosevic and Hitler, these regimes tend to be sociopathic towards those they see as their enemies or lesser. The Serbs killing thousands like the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist; all have their reasons, all are perverted. You my friend are left with nothing else but to deny it happened, or somehow justify these sorts of actions, since you share debasing view of a people you don’t like. I guess you learned a lot in WWII during your occupation.


212 posted on 12/24/2006 2:56:12 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: infidel_pride
It's not me that is denying the Holocaust, but it's you that is denying the genocide in the Balkans which has a lot of similarities to the Holocaust.
213 posted on 12/24/2006 2:57:41 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6

STOP PRESS STOP PRESS

MAN OF LIMITED INTELLECTUAL MEANS MAKES CLAIM

"....the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"

Stalin killed THOUSANDS ? As with Mao ? Likewise , Hitler ?

But you're no HOLOCAUST REVISIONIST , why no siree .

THOUSANDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



214 posted on 12/24/2006 7:51:52 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride

Sorry , that should have be spelt "man of limitid inturlekchual meens " not "MAN OF LIMITED INTELLECTUAL MEANS".

Oh Christ , Red , you're back to quoting WIKI-F*&^%^$G-PEDIA .

Your condition's terminal isn't it .


215 posted on 12/24/2006 7:54:24 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: mark502inf

Ask the Albanians or their Dhimmi supports why the Serbs are leaving while their Churches burn.

If you were a Christian, maybe you'd give a damn?


216 posted on 12/24/2006 8:43:59 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Red6

Sociopathic behavior includes your dehumanization of all Serbs, Dhimmi.


217 posted on 12/24/2006 8:45:41 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: infidel_pride

"Terminal" means it would lead to death. I think you mean "chronic" as in permanent or lasting.

So, in the last two posts, what’s your point? What do you have that is of substance to add to this discussion? Besides name calling, screaming, what do you have as an argument? Thank you, you my argument easy.

You see, people live in worlds that are constructs of their perception. Often this is called a “paradigm” and it is based on some ideology. The simple minded only now that they have an opinion, but they don’t know why, nor how they got there. When such a simpleton is challenged in their views, lacking the ability to really debate the issue, they resort to name calling or fallacious arguments. One has to understand that the simpleton feels compelled to attack since accepting this new concept injected would crash his whole simple world view “Wahrnehmung”.

Example: If in the 1960s I would have debated a member of the Klu Klux Klan and told him that a black person does not have a lower IQ, but just on average less educational opportunities, he would attack me. Many of the arguments would have followed along the exact same lines of those you presented, since it’s essentially the same ethnocentric hate mongering we are hearing from you. The Klansman has to attack me in this case since accepting what I say would force him to change his whole world view “Wahrnehmung”.

Before 911, the excuse used by many Serbs as justification for the genocide against the Muslims was past atrocities by Muslims on them hundreds of years ago. These arguments, just like attempting to somehow force a connection to 911 today, are false pretenses to commit evil onto another people. No matter how you slice it, that unarmed Muslim woman that is raped, or some pregnant Muslim woman that is shot dead, did not pose a threat to your heroic Serbian militias as they swept the lands in Bosnia.

Most of Europe has moved on. The Germans today feel guilt because of the wrongs they committed. Most of Europe today is a safer place than ever before because of the culture. What happened in the Balkans is what we expect to see in Africa, not Europe. Even the colonial rulers of past applied a “rule of law” to their subjects. People like you are no different than the RPF in the Rwanda killings. You might as well take off your cloths, grab a machete, and go to town on some Muslim in Bosnia. In end affect you’re the same sort of savage as those killing people there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3594187.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3582011.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1288230.stm

You may want to see yourself as a Christian, a nation, cultured, and educated, but actions speak louder than words. Your behavior in the 90s was that of an uncultured mob, void of the rule of law, and with a sociopath tendency which is common in most regimes or mobs like that. If outsiders had not brought justice into this region, those responsible would still be free today. That alone speaks volumes for the people calling themselves “Serbs”.


218 posted on 12/24/2006 9:26:52 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: FormerLib
In the 90s, your people did a good job at making themselves look bad.

Ask yourself this. By denying and rationalizing illegal and immoral behavior of past, how do you think you make yourself look today?
219 posted on 12/24/2006 9:34:04 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6

I am doing neither, I am only rejecting the dehumanization of the Serbian people by appeasement-minded Dhimmis.


220 posted on 12/24/2006 9:47:58 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Red6

Red "poor upbringing and low end education"6 , you wrote

"What do you have that is of substance to add to this discussion?"

Small point, oh wise one. You're claiming that Hitler , Stalin and Mao only murdered 1,000's.

THOUSANDS .

You said it .

Correction . You didn't even say "murdered" , but "killed".

So, according to you , only "1,000s" of Jews were "killed" by Hitler in the Holocaust .

You just don't get it .

How was Iran BTW .

You also wrote

"Besides name calling, screaming, what do you have as an argument?"

Two points
a) See above
and
b) you called yourself an idiot , remember? You said you couldn't compensate for a poor upbringing and low end education . Remember ? Or are you an amnesiac too ?

And then you added

"Thank you, you my argument easy."

make doesn't sense any that.


221 posted on 12/24/2006 10:08:41 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6

Your posts are hilarious , Red"dysfunctional and slow witted"6 .

HILARIOUS .


222 posted on 12/24/2006 10:13:59 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6

half-truth is what you wrote..the media did the majority of the "making your people look bad". US News and World Report did an article on my units mission. They picked apart "quotes" and gave a misinformed story. Go figure as if you believe all those stories from the 90s to current, you are as naive as a five year old kid, bucko.


223 posted on 12/25/2006 8:34:47 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

At the time I lived in Germany, if you read the posts you'd know that. I as the rest of Western Europe saw very well who the refugees where, what some of them looked like, how some of them showed visible signs of abuse, and you can play make belief all you want today, there were many EU representatives, UN troops before NATO came in, various NATO forces from several nations who reported the same. There is a reason why the international court has found 48 senior political and military leaders (Most Serb) guilty of war crimes after an intense and in depth investigation of these alleged acts.

But we all know, the UN Protection Force was making these things up. The International Court in The Hague is a kangaroo court that has it out for the Serbs. Troops from various NATO countries are conspiring in this grand cover up where the Serbs really didn’t commit these atrocities and were actually just the victims of Muslim Jihadists. Of course the media is just spinning it and the national governments in Europe that were receiving the refugees of this war are also making that up…… I got it.

Now, back to reality. Not every Serb is bad. Not every Muslim was a victim and they too did bad things to Serbs. However, as a “state” it was Serbia that had the motive, will, and capabilities to wage war. It was their political and military leadership that like in Nazi Germany systemically engaged in illegal activities. It was the Serbs who did NOT want to stop this conflict and had to be forced to secede military operations through NATO armed intervention. Had some resemblance of justice not been brought into the Balkans, the Serbs would not have done anything to those who deliberately committed war crimes. Crimes for which people 60 years earlier were hung. The same sort of crimes which the Serbs accuse the Germans of in WWII are those the Serbs today attempt to rationalize since they were the ones committing them on others.

The rest, is all rhetorical nonsense. It’s polemics that lacks a rational and feasible basis when analyzed in depth. Concocting 911 conspiracies and connections, speculating about oil motivations for NATO intervention, attempting to claim that Serbia was the victim, denying the atrocities committed, all this does not make you look any better.


224 posted on 12/25/2006 10:55:58 AM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: ma bell

You wrote to Red"Hitler , Mao and Stalin only killed 1,000's"6

"you are as naive as a five year old kid, bucko."

That's a terrible slur. Really it is. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a comparison. You've gone way too far this time with your insults , really you have .

Now . I want you to apologise to all the naive 5 year olds of the world .

RIGHT NOW.


225 posted on 12/25/2006 9:50:24 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6

From Red"Wikipedia"6

"the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"

I can see the headline now .

( STOP PRESS STOP PRESS

Serbophobe claims Nazis only killed 1,000s . Mao and Stalin were cruelly maligned too .

STOP PRESS STOP PRESS )

With enemies like you , who needs friends.


226 posted on 12/25/2006 11:24:24 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6

"the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"

You were a joke before writing that.....but after writing it ?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY

So let's do a summary.

a) Hitler only killed thousands , which makes you a Holocaust denier ( amongst other things ) .

b) Mao only killed in the 1,000's too . So the Cultural Revolution or Great Leap Forward didn't in fact consume an entire generation . This was simply an evil lie put out by his enemies no doubt .

c) Stalin only killed 1,000s too . Ah ! You know , it's all beginning to make so much sense now . All those Gulags were , in fact , wonderful places . The Great Purges of the army in the 30's never occurred , nor the famine in the Ukraine , etc . More nasty , vile propaganda put out by Stalin's enemies .

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY . You should have a badge made . How about a tatoo on the forehead .


227 posted on 12/26/2006 12:23:07 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6
Let us see, you only viewed

1- what the media allowed you to TV-witness
2- what you wanted to believe do to your gullibility of a 5 year old bucko.

The brutality scenes you "witnessed" were only hearsay as very minimal proof was ever found to be true. **hiccup** 100,000 dead Albanians. eghad,ergo!

What you saw on tv was orchestrated and the natural outcome of how "refugees" should look like, disheveled.

I'm going to let you fritter away on this so I will have plenty more to come back at you.

you are putting words in my mouth as i never denied any allegations, nor attempted to give distorted 'truths'.

Your feebality is evident. I won't say more as I do not wish to spoil your Christmas festive mood.

Hristos Se Rodi.

228 posted on 12/26/2006 11:03:38 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell

- So the EU reports from delegations that went there are false?

- So the UN Protection Force lied in what they saw and reported on first hand? Sure, the Danes were also part of your collusion. It was Danish troops that as part of the UN Protection Force, under UN mandate in the Balkans were ambushed by Serb forces. They reported on atrocities first hand as they watched since they did not have the authorization to shoot unless protecting themselves. Tell us, were the Serbs acting outside of international law when they took 400 UN troops hostage, and paraded them on their TV? Was that an act of a lone single Serb, or was it a “state sponsored and planned event directed by a general?” Maybe that is made up? How about out right attacks against UN observation posts; French manned BTW? Are the French also colluding against you?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/03/20/ribic990319.html The whole original topic was how some Serbs were arrested in the US for an alleged involvement in crimes. Well, here’s a story from a few years about those UN troops you used as human shields and a Serb Canada wants extradited for his involvement in this act which probably never happened according to you. This is obviously a story that is “made up” by the Canadian media which is also colluding.

Here you go: http://www.unprofor.dk/sider/forside.asp You can tell the Danish VETs that they are making it up. The Serbs really weren’t the ones that shot at them while they were there under a UN mandate. Maybe you can tell them they really didn’t see what they say they saw and that they should stop lying.

- So the NATO troops when they came in later were making it all up as well? Of course the Belgians, Germans, French, British….all are in on the conspiracy against you. http://www.nato.int/docu/facts/2000/role-bih.htm

- So the International Tribunal is just on a witch hunt, and in actuality didn't investigate in depth nor was fair? All their findings were erroneous?

http://www.un.org/icty/indictment/english/kar-ii950724e.htm What’s your excuse going to be? Mladic didn’t know? He didn’t intend to do what he did? There is no excuse. He acted in violation of international law. He’s a criminal, no different than a Nazi war criminal, who did the same sort of things, for the same perverted reasons, with the same evil outcomes. **“And you defend such actions”**

- So the nations that received the refugees of the war are making that up as well? Being “shot” or “raped” as a refugee is OK, it’s a normal disheveled appearance?

- During much of the clean up, university, FBI and other Subject Matter Experts on forensics and archeology were brought in from places like the University of Birmingham. We all know this University also has a “hidden agenda” against the Serbs, right? Are all these first hand accounts by outside experts also part of this grand collusion?

- And of course the media was conspiring as well, despite the fact that Reuters has local Serb reporters on their payroll, the Serbs operated their local TV channels and blasted the World Wide Web with a propaganda message that was state financed. They even operated a fake look a like NATO website which was all spun propaganda. The Russians and others in their state run media were acting as unofficial press agents for the Serbs. The international media is conspiring right?

What happened in the Balkans, as with the Holocaust was so flagrantly in violation of international law, some had their hands in the pot so deep, they could not feasibly claim they didn’t know, or they didn’t intend…etc. Like the piles of glasses and shoes of those going to the gas chambers, when you pull the bones out of the ground; these people were blind folded and shot, buried in mass graves; after you have the body positively identified who it was, it becomes difficult to deny what happened.

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/co_mission/unprof_b.htm

What you hope to do is rewrite history and deny the events surrounding “war crimes”. You can do that all you wish, in the meantime 48 are convicted and many more are fugitives.


229 posted on 12/26/2006 4:49:13 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6

From Red"Wikipedia"6

"What you hope to do is rewrite history and deny the events surrounding "war crimes" . "

Oh , the irony. So thick , you put a tail on it and call it a raccoon .

This comes from someone who claimed that Mao's , Stalin's and Hitler's victims only numbered in the 1,000's. That's right , the thousands .

Wonderfully funny, Red6

And to make the irony that little bit richer, the KLA ( with NATO's approval ) have started renaming schools and streets after NAZI collaborators . And, of course, the Bosnian Islamist leader , Izetbegovich , was one of the senior recruiters for the HANDZAR division .

Your heroes .

Keep up the HOLOCAUST revisionism , Red6 , I'm sure "The Boys from Brazil" will be thrilled .

And being a NAZI apologist is just so retro chic nowadays .


230 posted on 12/26/2006 6:29:53 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6
PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE keep on posting , Red6 . PLEASE DO .

When someone writes things like "The Serbs killing thousands like the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist" hates you , you just know you're doing something right .

Equating the crimes by the NAZIs , MAO and STALIN with "killing" "1,000s" .

Tut tut tut , what will your forebears who gave their lives on the beaches of Normandy and over the skies of Korea think ?

You are a rascal , Red6 .

231 posted on 12/26/2006 6:44:04 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6
And you're ever so silent on

a) the expulsion of the entire Jewish community in Kosovo by the KLA with NATO onlookers

and

b) the VRS ( that's the Bosnian Serb Army as Wikipedia probably won't cover it for you ) getting most support ( both materiel and intelligence ) from the IDF

232 posted on 12/26/2006 6:55:33 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: ma bell
OH , it gets funnier , Ma Bell .

Welcome to the bizarro world of Hitler apologist extraordinaire , Red6 .

Red6 thinks Hitler only "killed" ( not "murdered" but the neutral term "killed" ) 1,000s which puts him firmly in the "NAZIs-are-misunderstood-camp" . He goes one better than the David Irvings of the world as he's also shilling for Stalin too . Yes . STALIN . No , he goes two better . He's also an apologist for Mao . Yes , MAO .

Anyway , check this little thing of beauty out .

" From Mao to Stalin or yes Milosevic and Hitler, these regimes tend to be sociopathic towards those they see as their enemies or lesser."

The first thing to note is the moral equivalence . The Bosnian war took 100,000 lives .

In total . Civilian . Military . Serb . Croat . Muslim . 100,000.

Note , as all Hitler apologists do , he's now equating Hitlers crimes with "100,000" "killed" . So no longer did Hitler murder 6,000,000 Jews . How could he ? According to Red"shilling for Hitler"6 , Hitler only killed at most 100,000 . All those Holocaust survivors must be lying .

Someone apologise to Hitler .

Same with Stalin and the labor camps in Siberia .

Nothing but an elaborate hoax to tarnish comrade Stalin's glorious name .

Likewise , Mao and the slaughter of millions upon millions of Chinese .

Poor Mao , he was so misunderstood , for he only "killed 100,000" .

I have the sneaking feeling that Mao wannabe , Stalin apologist and all round Hitler lover , Red6 , is unaware about the start of the Bosnian civil war .

a)The Cutileiro plan in March 1992 was signed by Mate Boban ( the Bosnian Croat leader ) and the Bosnian Serb leadership of Karadzic, but Izetbegovic withdrew his signature a week after signing . This plan would have headed off civil war in Bosnia . Both the Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats signed the last chance to preserve peace and to avoid any conflict in Bosnia . The Islamists didn't . Izetbegovic in fact said he'd prefer war to peace if the peace meant Bosnia couldn't cede .

A full year before civil war broke out , and the muslims had already set up the so called Patriotic League. It contained 120,000 armed men according to Sefer Halilovic the commander of the Main Staff of the Muslim Army

b)Before the Civil war broke out , on the 26th of March, 1992, a large massacre of Serbs in the area of Bosanski Brod in the village of Sijekovac when entire families were massacred.

c)4th of April that exactly when Serb refugees from Barice and Kostres were killed by armed Muslims, inhabitants of the village of Korace, when 117 Serbs were killed, including old men, women, and children.

d)The acts formally declaring war were passed at the beginning of April by the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the absence of Serb members and in the absence of one of the Muslim leaders, Fikret Abdic ( the secular Muslim leader who supported the Serbs ) , when a decision was taken on mobilisation. And then on the 8th of April, the immediate threat of war was declared and the Republican Staff of Territorial Defence was abolished and the TO of Bosnia-Herzegovina founded.

But the Bosnian Serbs wanted , desired and strove for war at all costs , according to Red"Hitler deserves an apology"6 .

The guys a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONY

233 posted on 12/26/2006 10:03:35 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Red6
I am saying EU reports were and are false. Anytime the truth is ommitted intentionally-accidently, they tend to become false.

Why don't we bring up Gorazde 1993-4? Care to tango in that region of operations, bucko? Let's discuss Caco and the "Sarajevo Seige" that was self-emplaced by the muslim police and army. On direct orders from Alija, all those who leave SA must pay a bounty or, yes egad, be shot.

234 posted on 12/27/2006 5:45:35 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: ma bell
I imagine you're actually addressing the attacks on the market place which caused massive outcry in most of Western Europe for immediate intervention.

What you're doing is what is to be expected. "Deny and make counter accusations", but all credible references contradict you. As stated, in the meantime you have a Serb commander who was tried and sentenced by the International Tribunal for this role with these attacks.

Look at yourself! You are left attempting to deny, and rationalize the Sarajevo Siege. The only way you can do that is if you claim EVERYONE is lying and colluding. In the bigger picture what you state is that:

-The UN Protection Force
-NATO troops from 16 various nations
-EU representatives
-The International Tribunal
-The international media
-Non-governmental educational organizations such as Universities where some of the SME's came from.
-Governmental agencies which collected information of the refugees in there country, collected intelligence, and served as SME's as well, such as the FBI.

they "all" are making it up! We all are misinformed, because EVERYONE was lying, except the local Serb run TV channel and Vladimir with his “Free Slobodan” web site. You know, the Nazi’s also saw themselves as victims of the Jews, and even today, there is the occasional freak who sees it like this.

There are those who claim the Nuernburg Trails were a kangaroo court, today there are those who accuse the International Tribunal of the same. There comes a point where you need to ask yourself if you’re being “reasonable” in your position. Wanting to see something a certain way, does not make it so. You’re like the Catholic theologian who held to the view that the earth is flat after it was proven otherwise. I don't like what happened at Abu Gharib, and I find it hard to believe that someone I knew (Who was a clean cut guy) executed an Iraqi. Yet they happened, no matter how much I dislike these facts.

Just throwing out counter accusations is not how it works. In fact, just like those who deny the Holocaust today, you only make yourself look like a wacko by holding such a ridiculous position. By defending the actions of someone like this: http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/index.cfm?page=Mladic or
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/1995/54/1995_47754.asp
By hiding him and making counter accusations, you only make yourself look bad. But I already said that.

You’re doing what many before you did: Deny deny deny and make counter accusations.
235 posted on 12/27/2006 7:33:19 AM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6
In Gorazde,attacks on the market area? you've got the wrong town, bucko. Again, showing your ignorance on the civil war. Before making accusations that I "deny" anything such as the Holocaust, show where I do so? You can't as you can't fathom the truth I spew. Again, how am I "hiding him" and who is "him"? Bucko, you are making a five year olds look like geniuses.

Your 'self-rightousness' attempt begets no 72 virgins you expect to recieve from your muslim friends you carelessly defend.

236 posted on 12/27/2006 7:56:28 AM PST by ma bell ("Take me to Pristine. I want to see the "real terrorists", Former Marine)
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To: Red6
["You’re doing what many before you did: Deny deny deny and make counter accusations."]

That's because your analogy (Serbia=Nazi-Germany) is ill-conceived.
237 posted on 12/27/2006 9:10:00 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: ma bell
I know ! Just when you think his posts couldn't possibly get any more nonsensical and ill informed , then up he pops , pushes back the envelope on inanity , and hey presto!

Now , he's getting all the locations mixed up .

I think he's taken a leaf out of Paddy "I'm not sure If I'm in Serbia or Albania" Ashdown's book .

238 posted on 12/27/2006 9:50:07 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Your comment to Red" Mao was misunderstood"6:

"That's because your analogy (Serbia=Nazi-Germany) is ill-conceived"

Surely the understatement of this century .

239 posted on 12/27/2006 10:14:04 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: ma bell
Good points about the "Sarajevo Siege".

The freedom of movement of civilians in Sarajevo was agreed in December, 1992 . The idea was for civilians to move to freedom using corridors guarded by UNPROFOR . The Bosnian Croats and Serbs had demanded this agreement . Izebegovic was extremely reluctant to agree .

After the signing , a couple of dozen buses of Serbs and Croats were evacuated , even the odd Slovene but not a single Muslim was evacuated .

Or as the prosecution witness testified , under oath

"However, the Presidency ( of Izetbegovic ) would not allow a single Muslim to leave Sarajevo."

The reasons were simple ( quote from same prosecution witness against Milosevic )

" Able-bodied men from 18 to 65 and women from 18 to 60 were not allowed to leave because they were essential for the defence of the town, but their main reason was a different one. The Serb siege in the propaganda war evoked compassion on the part of the world, and that is why they needed the elderly and the children to remain. That was their most emotional propaganda weapon to draw the Americans into the war, and they didn't want that to weaken."

This propaganda tactic also explains why

a) the Muslim Govt refused to allow Srebrenica civilians to leave , or to allow bartering between the Serb villagers adjacent to Srebrenica and the Muslims in the town to take place ( the Serbs had wanted to be able to barter with the Muslims )

b) the Muslims vastly inflated their casualty rates for the entire war . It was not untypical for the Muslim apologists to claim that a quarter of a million Muslims had been killed in the war . The total killed in the four way civil war was 100,000

Finally the prosecution witness concluded

"The position of the Presidency was highly delicate. They had been defeated on the battlefield, and it is quite certain that in the strategic sense so far as the war was concerned, at least, it is considered normal for the Presidency ( of Izetbegovic ) to reject a major step towards peace."

Let's not beat about the bush.

It was the Islamists in Sarajevo who , time after time , were the obstacles to peace in Bosnia

240 posted on 12/27/2006 10:51:13 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
From LR to Red6

"That's because your analogy (Serbia=Nazi-Germany) is ill-conceived."

Now , now , LR , at least quote the great historian of the 20th Century correctly .

Red6 actually said

"The Serbs killing thousands like the Nazi killing thousands like the Maoist, or Stalinist"

He's not equating one side in a war that claimed at most 100,000 lives with the Nazi's , thereby claiming that the Nazis killed way under 100,000 in total , he's claiming that theNazis , Mao and Stalin were responsible for the deaths of way under 100,000 too.

I think you should apologise to Red6 . He's not a Hitler apologist . He's that rare breed , a Hitlercum Stalincum Mao apologist .

You should apologise in writing and it'd better sincere .

241 posted on 12/28/2006 1:44:32 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride
Yes, I know.

Red's analogy is tantamount to suggesting that:

"John Q. Citizen", who murdered his wife and her lover after he caught them in bed together, is now serving two life sentences...

is equivalent to Ted Bundy http://www.celebritymorgue.com/ted-bundy/

because both are convicted murders.

Red6 ostensibly doesn't see any difference between the two.
242 posted on 12/28/2006 9:29:43 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: infidel_pride
['You should apologise in writing and it'd better sincere "]

I did. And, somehow, I feel this will be that post on this thread.
243 posted on 12/29/2006 2:31:41 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
The guy's priceless .

He defends the monsters of the 20th Century ( 'they didn't murder in the millions , the only killed thousands ' ) and his heroes in the Balkans in the 90s follow the same honourable road .

a) Izetbegovic . Muslim Brotherhood , lifelong supporter of Khomeini , Holocaust Denier , SS recruiter , friend of ringleaders to both WTC terror attempts . The list is proud , long and glorious .

b) The KLA . Largely made up of Stalinists/Maoists supporters of that deranged midget , Enver Hoxa . Also large numbers of Mujahideen and Neo Nazi supporters of the Skanderbeg SS division ( based in Kosovo in WW2 ) . You've gotta love 'em .

About Bosnia seceding from Yugoslavia . So determined was Izetbegovic to choose war instead of peace that he

a) said "No" to a proposal by Milosevic to become President of a Rump-Yugoslavia . He didn't want to be President but wanted Independence even though that would mean war .

b) as pointed out , scuppered the last chance for peace by taking his signiature away from the Cutileiro Plan . Both the Bosnian Croats and Serb had already inked the deal. Izetbegovic said "No" . The last chance for peace in Bosnia .

c) he was on record as saying "I would sacrifice peace for a sovereign Bosnia-Herzegovina ... but for that peace in Bosnia-Herzegovina I would not sacrifice sovereignty." i.e. War , if he doesn't get his way.

d) he stole the Presidency from the Bosnian Serbs ( he should have stepped down after two years )and then unconstitutionally declared independence . Trust the Muslim Brotherhood to ignore the legality of an action .

e)armed over 100,000 of his SDS supporters into a militia who then murdered hundreds of Serbs even before civil had broken out .

As I said , the guy's priceless . Happy New Year , LR .

244 posted on 12/29/2006 7:46:38 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride
That should have been

"e)armed over 100,000 of his SDA supporters into a militia"

Obviously .

245 posted on 12/29/2006 8:54:49 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride

["Happy New Year , LR ."]

Happy New Year to you as well. I thought I'd until about the right time. Only a few hours left of 2006 :-).


246 posted on 12/31/2006 5:13:48 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: ikka

It does not surprise me that Clinton would side with Muslims. He had several chances to have OBL handed over to him. Acting on that, we may have had 3000 lives still with us. Clinton was such a failure in so many ways. Gee, weren't we supposed to be out of Kosovo by Christmas that year? Funny, media never mentions it.


247 posted on 12/31/2006 5:19:49 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

I leave you to with your Serbian support group here on the Free Republic. You guys can stroke each other off quiet well but at this point are wasting my time.

I still don't understand what people like you have in common with Conservatism or America all together for that matter, since you don't subscribe to some of our most basic principals. Maybe you're just like all the other "new" immigrants and seek the jobs, but not really the idea behind it.

Whether alcohol or any other vice, the true looser is the one stuck in a rut and unable to fix himself. You guys caused a war, didn't want to stop, then lost a war, and today can't stop obsessing over it.


248 posted on 01/01/2007 4:24:13 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6
["I leave you to with your Serbian support group here...I still don't understand what people like you have in common with Conservatism or America all together for that matter...
the true looser is the one stuck in a rut and unable to fix himself."]

You sound like you're pretty disgruntled Red6.
249 posted on 01/01/2007 4:56:42 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
I think you're right , LR . The poor soul's probably having a wee tantrum .

It seems his definition of Conservatism is to make unbelievably bizarre comparisons and when everyone stands and laughs , to throw a hissy fit and storm off to Mumsy .

Red6 had left the building , Red6 has left the building

It was fun while it lasted .

250 posted on 01/03/2007 4:45:48 AM PST by infidel_pride
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