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Karajan was also a NAZI. In totalitarian regimes the only way to survive is to buy into the system. This is in Iraq as well, and was the case in the former DDR. The Germans took over many former soldiers from the Nationale Volks Armee and in Iraq today even some former Ba’athists are back in government. But they have gone through a debaathification and vetting process (much like denazification after WWII) and were not the ones who were personally culpable of war crimes under the Saddam regime or on the East West boarder in the German case. The guards at the boarder who shot people dead for trying to get to the West sure did find themselves in court after unification, and Saddam, some top military officers, and other Ba’athists are in prison for a reason.

Example: Helmut Schmidt
He served in the German Army in WWII, is he a bad guy? No. He later became Chancellor.

Much of what you write is folklore mixed with half truths.

Example: Since this is the guy you’re referring to I suggest you read a bit about him, since what you’re doing is throwing out half baked insinuations that are flimsy at best trying to concoct some BS relativistic argument.

What did von Braun “personally” do that would make him a war criminal? Please tell me? Do you think that maybe 99% of those living around Dachau knew what was going on? They did. Are all of them war criminals for that? No. But that guy making bets on how many heads his 9mm bullet would go through did commit a crime. See a difference?

People like this were prosecuted and hunted down.

24 posted on 12/18/2006 7:13:19 PM PST by Red6 (Weird thoughts -)
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To: Red6
>>>>>>>Much of what you write is folklore mixed with half truths<<<<<<<

I do not know what to make out of your post. Either you are uninformed or hope that I do not have firm command of the facts. The both are regrettable and inefficient.

Following the logic of your post, even Hitler is inocent because also did not kill anyone with his own hands, just like Von Braun.

Here are some of your esteemed Nazis who got free owing to U.S. agencies:

In January, 1951, John J. McCloy announced that Alfried Krupp and eight members of his board of directors who had been convicted with him, were to be released. His property, valued at around 45 million, and his numerous companies were also restored to him.

Others that McCloy decided to free included Friedrich Flick, one of the main financial supporters of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). During the Second World War Flick became extremely wealthy by using 48,000 slave labourers from SS concentration camps in his various industrial enterprises. It is estimated that 80 per cent of these workers died as a result of the way they were treated during the war. His property was restored to him and like Krupp became one of the richest men in Germany.

McCloy's decision was very controversial. Eleanor Roosevelt wrote to McCloy to ask: "Why are we freeing so many Nazis? The Washington Post published a Herb Block cartoon depicting a smiling McCloy opening Krupp's cell door, while in the background Joseph Stalin is shown taking a photograph of the event. Telford Taylor, who took part in the prosecution of the Nazi war criminals wrote: "Wittingly or not, Mr. McCloy has dealt a blow to the principles of international law and concepts of humanity for which we fought the war." Alfried Krupp was one of the top CONVICTED war criminals.

I did not speak about Von Karajan or Von Braun. I spoke about tens of top Nazi scientists from V1 and V2 program.

In Penemunde Von Braun and his Nazi pals destroyed up to 20 000 slave laborers.

ARTUR RUDOLPH was investigated and stripped of U.S. citizenship in 1984 because of war crimes committed during V2 project. He lived comfortable life for 40 years.

Here is FBI file:"

I do not apreciate the tone of your post. You may accuse me till the cow come home but you can not change the facts that top Nazis escaped justice owing to the U.S.

26 posted on 12/18/2006 8:13:50 PM PST by DTA (Mr. President., Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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