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Crisis in Suburban Schools
Campus Report Online ^ | 12/13/2006 | Wendy Cook

Posted on 12/19/2006 3:42:04 PM PST by achilles2000

Talk of high property taxes and fraud in the administration probably cause you to think of issues on Capitol Hill. Well, not in this case. These are two major problems facing suburban school systems nationwide.

According to a recent Yankee Institute of Public Policy study, the cost of suburban schools has risen far beyond the rate of inflation because of an opportunistic relationship between parents and the public educators they are supposed to be regulating. Parent PTA members and school board members can vote on issues that directly affect their families, such as: subsidized trips abroad, full paid sabbaticals for teachers, and athletic, technology and curriculum perks.

“It’s not an exaggeration to say that public schooling in the suburbs is a form of upper-middle-class-racketeering,” Lewis Andrews of the Yankee Institute writes. Parents and educators collaborate under the banner of “advancing education” to serve their own narrow interests at the expense of the broader taxpaying community.

(Excerpt) Read more at campusreportonline.net ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: education; nea; schools; suburbs
The suburbanites' "our schools are different" delusion may well be receiving some much needed reality therapy...
1 posted on 12/19/2006 3:42:06 PM PST by achilles2000
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To: achilles2000

A third major problem in increasing costs is the funding of the illegal populations.


2 posted on 12/19/2006 3:45:36 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Purple Mountains Maj

3 posted on 12/19/2006 3:48:18 PM PST by TPartyType (I'm a little bit rocknroll . . .)
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To: TPartyType
She needs a:


4 posted on 12/19/2006 3:53:31 PM PST by Majie Purple
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To: achilles2000

Each child in our school system is pulling in about $4,750 in county, state and federal dollars.

With about 22 in the standard classroom that's $104,500 per classroom with the teacher getting about $35,000.

That other $69,500 is going somewhere but it sure ain't on their education.


5 posted on 12/19/2006 3:55:05 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: freeangel

To the Ed industry the illegals and their anchor children are a welcome source of enhanced revenue. They also offer an opportunity for making lugubrious pleas to legislators for even more funding because of the "problems" these children present.


6 posted on 12/19/2006 4:01:15 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: PeteB570

Is that the total? It seems very low.


7 posted on 12/19/2006 4:02:29 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: freeangel

There are practically no illegals at elite suburban schools. That is not the topic under discussion.


8 posted on 12/19/2006 4:19:36 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

I supppose that this author wants the suburban schools reduced to the low level of city schools.


9 posted on 12/19/2006 4:36:27 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: achilles2000

Hey now, easy there big guy. :-)

I live in a low wealth county located in NC.

We do the best we can to pretend we're in the big time.


10 posted on 12/19/2006 5:38:35 PM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: achilles2000

The article mentions how suburban high school principals brag about the Advanced Placement courses they offer, even though most of the AP students either don't take or don't pass the AP exam.

Things have gotten so bad in the last year or two that the College Board, which creates the AP curricula and exams, has had to start auditing high schools to ensure that the schools are indeed teaching AP-level material. Apparently, many schools were labeling courses "Advanced Placement" when they were nothing of the sort.


11 posted on 12/19/2006 6:10:29 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: achilles2000

I remember back in the early 80s, we went through a very rough time. I had all I could do to come up with 25 cents for lunch for each kid and I got upset when the 4th grade teacher asked everyone to bring in posterboard for a project that he did every year. I complained to the principal and he said if the teacher did the same project every year, he should put it in his budget request.

By the time my twin daughters were in high school, things changed somewhat. My husband and I went to the Open House and visited their French teacher's classroom. He said he couldn't understand why my twins hadn't signed up for the trip to Paris. I looked at him like he was insane. I told him we couldn't afford it. He said, "Well, why don't you send one this year and one next year?" I wanted to bop him.


12 posted on 12/19/2006 7:33:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: PeteB570

"Each child in our school system is pulling in about $4,750 in county, state and federal dollars.
With about 22 in the standard classroom that's $104,500 per classroom with the teacher getting about $35,000.
That other $69,500 is going somewhere but it sure ain't on their education."

You are right! And it certainly isn't the teachers getting any perks! If the parents and teachers could deal directly with the school boards, the education $ would be spent properly. Like Duncan Hunter said about the Dept.of Education employees not showing up for work making no difference in what goes on in a classroom. Most school system administrations could be done away with, and most likely that is where the $69,500 you spoke of went!



13 posted on 12/19/2006 7:46:36 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: proxy_user

Au Contraire...for example, in Texas our very elite suburban schools have many illegals/anchor babies. I'll bet that is the case elsewhere too, although perhaps not in a few of the elite areas in the East.


14 posted on 12/19/2006 9:06:56 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Course labeling fraud is rampant. One educator told me that some students in precalculus were doing arithmetic, which he said technically was precalculus ;-) Across the country the typical "algebra" course is what the relatively few math major school teachers call "pretend algebra" - it's really just 6th grade arithmetic. In our district the experienced math teachers with a math major are punished if they point out the obvious degeneration of the system (e.g. saying things like "we are no longer teaching geometry in the geometry course")by being forced into a "growth plan". For those unfamiliar with "growth plans", think of it as an opportunity for a mouth breathing ed major to lecture about some vacuous ed theory (e.g. whole math/fuzzy math) to a more experienced, smarter teacher, and then the ed major gets to make the beneficiary of the "growth plan" do inane homework assignments involving collages or some other drivel. Administrators are now targeting older competent teachers to force them out. In our very special district where all the schools are "different" - so much so that people pay a lot of extra dollars to live here - th edistrict head of the math program is a music major who looks like, and has about the same comprehension of math as, a lunch-lady.(Ah, the wonders of affirmative action!) And, no, I'm not a teacher - I just know lot of them.


15 posted on 12/19/2006 9:17:10 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: PeteB570

Does the 35K include the cost to the school for health care benefits and retirement contributions?


16 posted on 12/19/2006 9:25:10 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: art_rocks

I can only go by what is in the paper.

Just asking how many employees the county school system has is an act similar to a dog chasing it's tail around a tree.

Since some teachers are paid by the county, some the state, some grand funds it all depends on who you talk to at the time.

The federal meal funding (full/partial) is a full blown scam and the local paper has reported on it in full. But nobody cares. The more kids you get on it the more money the county gets. The system will tell a parent that their application was found to be a fraud as they hand them a new application. Since the county is required to check only a certain percent they take in the new application with a straight face and wait for the money.

Kids in $200,000 homes on free lunch? Any why would the parents of the kids even turn in an application? And people wonder why some kids are a bunch of cheats.


17 posted on 12/20/2006 4:15:48 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: achilles2000

It is the parents who are paying the taxes that are making the decisions. I don't mind this. The PTA is made of active parents. This is fine. Maybe if those who are upset with this get off the couch and attend some meetings, they can have a voice.


18 posted on 12/20/2006 5:10:00 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Maybe if those who are upset with this get off the couch and attend some meetings, they can have a voice.





But it's so much easier to complain about gubmint schools.


19 posted on 12/20/2006 5:11:23 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: art_rocks

Does the 35K include the cost to the school for health care benefits and retirement contributions?



Even if it doesn't that is still not a lot of money. I mean the retirement check after 40-50 years of teaching is what 1900 dollars, maybe 2200 dollars. I doubt teachers went in to become millioniares.


20 posted on 12/20/2006 5:15:23 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: proxy_user
There are practically no illegals at elite suburban schools. That is not the topic under discussion.
Nonsense. Wherever there are apartment houses or high density housing in a suburban district you'll have illegals. It causes the average of the school to go down into the "needs improvement" category requiring more resources.
We need school choice...now!
21 posted on 12/20/2006 5:25:16 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: durasell

Oh so true. Plus to miss Deal or No Deal would be tragic. lol.


22 posted on 12/20/2006 5:49:21 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

What we're seeing is the fall of the community based on geographic proximity. Many kids no longer stay in the communities in which they were raised, people no longer feel any particular connection to their neighbors (particularly if those neighbors happen to function under a different political or religious belief system) and society as a whole is more mobile.

So, why invest in the future of a community when the object of that investment may leave town or you may leave town?


23 posted on 12/20/2006 5:54:19 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: napscoordinator; wintertime; BlackElk

Which decisions? Local control of school districts is a chimera today. The important decisions are made neither by taxpayers nor the PTA. Federal and state legislation and regulations, numerous state and federal court decisions, and, of course, the ed establishment working through the Ed schools and unions long ago rendered most of what happens locally unimportant. A good deal of what a superintendent does today is supervising reporting and the filling out forms for other levels of government and agencies. The only important decision parents can make today is whether their children are in or out of the government schools. Parents don't need "a voice" in how their children are educated, they should control it.


24 posted on 12/20/2006 9:30:27 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000
"growth plan

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is this "newspeak" for the old communist re-education camp?
25 posted on 12/20/2006 7:39:55 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime

Probably a combination of re-education camp and Chinese water torture. Administrators want the competent, motivated older teachers who carry an institution memory of different practices and standards to go quietly into retirement or resign. Those memories are embarrassing to current school leadership and implicitly challenge the leadership's competence.


26 posted on 12/21/2006 8:12:56 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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