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French troops had bin Laden in sights: documentary
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 12/19/06 | Francois Murphy

Posted on 12/19/2006 5:23:46 PM PST by advance_copy

A documentary says French special forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights twice about three years ago but their U.S. superiors never ordered them to fire.

The French military, however, said that the incidents never happened and the report was "erroneous information."

The documentary, due to air next year and seen by Reuters on Tuesday, says the troops could have killed the al Qaeda leader in Afghanistan but the order to shoot never came, possibly because it took too long to request it.

"In 2003 and 2004 we had bin Laden in our sights. The sniper said 'I have bin Laden'," an anonymous French soldier is quoted as saying.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; documyths; france; libmyths; myths; osamabinladen; reuters
Al Reuters quotes a yet-to-be-seen "documentary" quoting an anonymous source (a purported French soldier) saying something that has been disputed by the French. It's better than publishing fake pictures... I suppose. Nonetheless, if it is not already, the standing order for all NATO troops should be, IMO, if you see bin Laden, shoot him immediately.
1 posted on 12/19/2006 5:23:47 PM PST by advance_copy
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To: advance_copy; Dog

in what location were these french special forces?


2 posted on 12/19/2006 5:25:31 PM PST by oceanview
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To: advance_copy

I thought that was the standing order?


3 posted on 12/19/2006 5:26:20 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: oceanview

I wonder what is so "special" about French Special Forces?


4 posted on 12/19/2006 5:26:56 PM PST by JENINMO
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To: advance_copy

Who in the Western World needs permission to shoot Bin Laden? Isn't there a $25 million dollar reward on him, dead or alive?


5 posted on 12/19/2006 5:27:28 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

hey, don't mock that part of this story. remember when we had Mullah Omar ready to be hit - and some JAG in the chain of command thwarted it.


6 posted on 12/19/2006 5:28:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: advance_copy

BTW, the French Special Forces are being withdrawn from Afghanistan.


7 posted on 12/19/2006 5:28:37 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Seems to me that some "Soldier of Fortune" types would have gone after him by now. I think he is dead.


8 posted on 12/19/2006 5:29:26 PM PST by unkus
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To: JENINMO

I hear they're pretty good, as a matter of fact. Don't confuse the French government with the French military, which for the most part is very professional.


9 posted on 12/19/2006 5:29:44 PM PST by kms61
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To: oceanview

LOCATION...BANK OF FRANCE


10 posted on 12/19/2006 5:30:44 PM PST by pointsal (q)
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To: blam

Depends on what part of the world they had him sighted....think about it a second....would you want to be the commander who OK's this hit and it turns out it was the wrong guy....and the shooting takes place on the Pakistani side of the border....can you say INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT.


11 posted on 12/19/2006 5:31:10 PM PST by Dog
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To: unkus

no "soldier of fortune" types are going to be able to operate in that part of the world.


12 posted on 12/19/2006 5:31:46 PM PST by oceanview
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To: advance_copy


This smells like someone's attempt to establish an urban myth that we (non-terrorist collective) literally had Bin Laden in the crosshairs and could have killed him but President Bush managed to screw it up.

Was Richard Clarke involved in this one too?


13 posted on 12/19/2006 5:35:02 PM PST by james500
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To: oceanview

Yea,and we could end up with a defeat if we don't clarify the rules of engagement in the field.Keep the lawyers out of it.


14 posted on 12/19/2006 5:35:48 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: advance_copy

I'm just a civilian and a "recreational" shooter at best. Never been to the Middle East and have no training in fieldcraft but so help me -- if I ever could have Bin Ladin "in my sights" nobody would have to tell me to take a shot at him.


15 posted on 12/19/2006 5:37:32 PM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: advance_copy
"A documentary says French special forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights twice about three years ago but their U.S. superiors never ordered them to fire."

Yes, we are superior.

16 posted on 12/19/2006 5:38:44 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: oceanview; blam
After a little research I think we can say this is true..

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/03/content_336158.htm

17 posted on 12/19/2006 5:49:16 PM PST by Dog
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To: unkus
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i know one that did, and he's STILL in an Afghan jail... and will be for a few more years.
18 posted on 12/19/2006 5:52:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: advance_copy

French troops gave Laden an altumatum- 'Either surrender or we will' guess which one Laden chose? http://sacredscoop.com


19 posted on 12/19/2006 5:57:54 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Chode

Poor guy-that's too bad. How much longer will he be there? At least he gave it a try. I wouldn't have the guts or ability to try something like that.


20 posted on 12/19/2006 6:01:40 PM PST by unkus
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To: blam

"BTW, the French Special Forces are being withdrawn from Afghanistan."







They are being relocated to Africa in the same area where an American Special Forces base is at Djibouti, where some kind of Special Operations work seems to be anticipated in the near future.


21 posted on 12/19/2006 6:04:55 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: blam
If this be true, then:

"Zoot Alors, moi, Je ne tirez pas, et j'ai Ozama en mes yeux!

Yeah Right!!

Rummy was right. Going to war with the French as Allies is like going deer hunting with an accordian player.

"Ve deed not shot heem parceque, honlee an Americain Bulleet woul bee politicallee couract??"

This article would be absolutely laughable if some folks did not take it so seriously.

22 posted on 12/19/2006 6:05:22 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: advance_copy
The story feeds...

1. French desire to believe they're the only ones who can really get a job done

2. French desier to believe they're warriors, after all

3. French need to believe they're being used by the United States

4. Leftist believe that the US always NEEDS an enemy somewhere in the world, in order to justify militarism

23 posted on 12/19/2006 6:19:56 PM PST by gaijin
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To: advance_copy
A documentary says French special forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights twice about three years ago but their U.S. superiors never ordered them to fire.

The French military, however, said that the incidents never happened and the report was "erroneous information."

Well, that's that then. (Anon Source)

FMCDH(BITS)

24 posted on 12/19/2006 6:22:20 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: advance_copy

I dunno - I'm not very trusting of Reuters. It's also possible that the French government didn't want to be responsible for one of it's own pulling the trigger, just as our command might have had some national pride over who's taking the shot. I dunno I need to see more info.


25 posted on 12/19/2006 6:23:15 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: oceanview
These French SF types were obviously the fellows so well spoken of the other day by a former German NATO soldier.Those fine heroes who were such a supportive element to the Americans in "their" (the Americans)
War on Terror.
These Brave stalwarts must be those who have the "Hearts of Lions".
Or maybe I did not read it correctly. Mayhap it was the "Farts of Lyon".
ROTLLMAO

One thing when you have the French on your side you do not need a compass. Keep your eye on them and their natural inclination will be to head for France. Snort. Chuckle.
I wonder what the toll is on the Atlantic Bridge?:~)
26 posted on 12/19/2006 6:31:59 PM PST by Gideon Reader (" All of us know who the enemy is, and where the threat comes from, except for the politicians.")
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To: unkus
Image hosted by Photobucket.com he was arrested in july 2004 and convicted in september of that year, he got ten years but it was later reduced to five.

sucks to be him...

27 posted on 12/19/2006 6:36:21 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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If only unfurling the white flag required going up the chain of command .....


28 posted on 12/19/2006 7:04:51 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: unkus

There is a group...mostly from South Africa who's specialty is insurgency. If they were to "Hire" them to take out these creeps, like Bin Laden, it would be done in a few days.


29 posted on 12/19/2006 7:16:32 PM PST by crz
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To: crz

Why didn't we hire them you suppose?


30 posted on 12/19/2006 7:18:31 PM PST by unkus
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To: unkus

Two initials....PC. Dont wanna make it appear that we hired "Hired Guns" now do we?

This outfit has been successful all over the African continent in stemming communist uprisings. And if they are successful in the deserts and jungles of Africa, then they can do as well in the mountains of Afganistan. That is, if they are still in business. The last I heard they were not.


31 posted on 12/19/2006 7:28:15 PM PST by crz
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To: All
"...but the order to shoot never came, ...

Why the he!! did they need another order - wasn't the order already out to shoot him on sight???!

32 posted on 12/19/2006 9:28:30 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Candor7
Rummy was right. Going to war with the French as Allies is like going deer hunting with an accordian player.

It's a great quote but it was by a deputy undersecretary of defense Jed Babbin in the administration of Bush Sr., during the first Gulf War, not Donald Rumsfeld.

33 posted on 12/20/2006 5:41:57 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Dog; oceanview; blam; rjp2005
I think this story may very well be true. I'm with rjp2005 there might have been some reason why they couldn't take the shot without the Americans' go-ahead.

I'm surprised that there is no "shoot on sight" order. But, then I've understood the War on Terror less and less as time goes by.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but it seems that maybe the objectives were too broad, defining this effort as a war (yes, I know 9/11 was horrific), and then setting the objective of establishing functioning democratic governments.

Perhaps a narrower objective would have been better, defining it as retaliatory action against Afghanistan for harboring Al-Queda (massive destructive bombing) and then concentrating all resources on getting bin Laden.

Second, all this talk about enemy combatants and POWs, etc. (Getting away from the torture issue, for a minute.)In a sense this elevates them, certainly in the eyes of their supporters. Like, here's Osama, he is at war with the United States, great warrior going up against the mightiest nation on Earth. Instead, we could have treated him like a criminal, captured him, presented him to the Mayor of New York (not the President!). The Mayor could then look at the Police Chief and say "Book em" and the Chief could then read him his rights.

34 posted on 12/21/2006 9:19:32 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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