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Man grabs home invader's pistol, shoots him four times
Sarasota Herald-Tribune | 12/19/06 | Sarasota Herald-Tribune

Posted on 12/19/2006 7:53:08 PM PST by hemogoblin

BRADENTON -- A man who was shot early Saturday during a botched home-invasion robbery in the Braden Crossing neighborhood was arrested Monday on an attempted murder charge.

Authorities say Bradenton resident Clayton Nathaniel Dowling, 23, was one of four men who barged into a house in the 5500 block of 47th Court East while pretending to be police officers.

The victim, Jerry Johnson, was hiding in a closet when Dowling confronted him, according to sheriff’s reports. Johnson punched Dowling and grabbed the pistol that was tucked in the man’s waistband.

Johnson fired at Dowling, striking him four times, sheriff’s Detective Jason Fitwater said. Dowling was also armed with a shotgun.

One of the robbers opened fire in the house, trying to kill Johnson, authorities said. Johnson’s fiancee, who was holding a 2-week-old baby, was threatened with death. Johnson chased the men from the house, firing at them as he ran, authorities said. Neither he nor his fiancee were injured.

Dowling, a felon, was dumped on the roadside near Manatee Memorial Hospital. Authorities later found the blood-soaked van in the 1100 block of 36th Avenue West in Bradenton.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; bang; banglist; bradenton; flarmedcitizen; home; invade; pistol; selfdefense
Highly recommended freep reading material from the Suncoast.
1 posted on 12/19/2006 7:53:10 PM PST by hemogoblin
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To: hemogoblin
Excuse me, I'll be back in 10 minutes.

2 posted on 12/19/2006 7:55:47 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: hemogoblin

A dramatic breakin w/ guns when the residents are home... and awake??

These guys are not only dangerous... but total idiots. Even among criminals, few would consider this to be a favorable risk-reward scenario.


3 posted on 12/19/2006 7:57:46 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: hemogoblin
Never, ever, underestimate a cornered man trying to defend his wife and two week-old. That Johnson has a brass pair!
4 posted on 12/19/2006 7:57:54 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: hemogoblin
striking him four times

good group

5 posted on 12/19/2006 7:57:56 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: hemogoblin; EdReform; jonestown; Ladysmith; Petruchio; PeterPrinciple; Max Combined; ...
(((Armed Citizen ping)))



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6 posted on 12/19/2006 7:58:06 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("I am here to fight evil and exchange good-natured barbs." - The Tick)
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To: hemogoblin

First of all … why was the victim hiding in a closet? Especially when Johnson’s fiancee, who, holding a 2-week-old baby, was near. Hero … need more info.


7 posted on 12/19/2006 8:02:42 PM PST by doc1019
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To: hemogoblin

Snatch the bad guy's gun and blow him away BTTT!


8 posted on 12/19/2006 8:10:18 PM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: All
Rhetorical question:

Why is it that the vast majority of these citizen heroes are from the South and Midwest -- essentially Flyover Country ?

I suspect we Freepers know the answer to this no-brainer ! **S**

Merry, Merry Christmas to my Fellow Freepers from an increasingly crotchety old sailor.
9 posted on 12/19/2006 8:13:45 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: hemogoblin
Liberals say "a gun is dangerous because it can be taken from you and used against you."

I guess the perp should have listened.

10 posted on 12/19/2006 8:14:05 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: hemogoblin
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11 posted on 12/19/2006 8:17:49 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: hemogoblin

There really has to be something wrong with the water in Florida.


12 posted on 12/19/2006 8:22:17 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: hemogoblin

Johnson was pretty dam lucky the gun was loaded and operational because the perp also had a shotgun... or perhaps Johnson had the gun all along?


13 posted on 12/19/2006 8:24:02 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: doc1019
TOP TEN REASONS JOHNSON WAS HIDING IN THE CLOSET...

    10. Was faster than his fiance.

    9. That's how the guy did it in "The Professional."

    8. Wanted to impress his PC girlfriend with his non-violence.

    7. Was looking for Chuck Norris.

    6. Was sulking and then the knob came off.

    5. Kid wouldn't stop crying and he was going smooth off.

    4. Was being punished for tattling.

    3. Wasn't sure how she'd take it if he "came out."

    2. Didn't want to be sent back to Cuba.

    1. Was re-tracing his steps to find out how he got into that relationship in the first place.


14 posted on 12/19/2006 8:26:57 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: hemogoblin
was one of four men who barged into a house...while pretending to be police officers.

If the homeowner had believed they were cops he'd probably be dead. I'm not a fan of the "no knock" style police raids and this story is one reason why.
15 posted on 12/19/2006 8:42:21 PM PST by Tailback
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To: dk/coro; catpuppy

"Why is it that the vast majority of these citizen heroes are from the South and Midwest -- essentially Flyover Country ?"

Saw this awhile back and thought it was funny, but true....

Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans and Southern Republicans? The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or Oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Republican's Answer:

BANG!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Southern Republican's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click....(sounds of reloading).
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips??"


16 posted on 12/19/2006 8:46:28 PM PST by uptoolate
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To: Bonaparte

Thank you … outstanding response …


17 posted on 12/19/2006 8:50:43 PM PST by doc1019
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To: uptoolate
You got the budget version - here's the fully-featured version of the Southern Republican's response:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click..... (Sounds of reloading)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?"
Son: "Can I shoot the next one!??!"
Wife: "You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist

18 posted on 12/19/2006 9:11:19 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for the 'full version'. I updated my original immediatly.


20 posted on 12/19/2006 9:20:24 PM PST by uptoolate
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To: TWohlford

"A dramatic breakin w/ guns when the residents are home... and awake?? '

They posed as cops. No-knock warrant raids by cops can happen during the day, too. SWAT-style raids for minor offenses, using money allocated to 'fight terrorism' have given birth to fake raids. The upshot is that, when defending yourself against people breaking into your home, there's a good chance you'll end up on death row. Cf. Corey Maye. Or you could just be killed like the old lady in Atlanta.


21 posted on 12/19/2006 9:23:38 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: hemogoblin

Why only shot 4 times? Run out of ammo or something?

Must learn to reload!


22 posted on 12/19/2006 9:24:29 PM PST by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: Bonaparte
2. Didn't want to be sent back to Cuba.

Gotta love that one!
23 posted on 12/19/2006 9:25:49 PM PST by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: gcruse

The Founding Fathers enumerated the Right to Keep and Bear Arms not only to protect ourselves from foreign invaders but to protect ourselves from domestic tyrants as well.

Tread lightly, Coppers!

This one's for you, Hitlery.


24 posted on 12/19/2006 9:27:23 PM PST by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: uptoolate
Dissemination of knowledge is a solemn responsibility.

I take it very seriously. ;-)

25 posted on 12/19/2006 9:30:07 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gcruse
They posed as cops. No-knock warrant raids by cops can happen during the day, too.

Yes they do happen during the day. The response has become to arm children. The drug warriors are learning that armed, violent, and warrantless incursions will not be tolerated by we the people. In a civil society it is imperative that proper lawful procedures are in place. Anything less leads to good law enforcement personnel and innocent civilians getting killed.

26 posted on 12/19/2006 9:39:33 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Bonaparte
Didn't want to be sent back to Cuba.

"Jerry Johnson" is not your typical Cubano name.

However there is a Cuban immigrant (and now retired USAF bird Colonel), whose last name is Rustan. But then again his first name is Pedro. Pedro Rustan

27 posted on 12/19/2006 10:41:14 PM PST by El Gato
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Anything less leads to good law enforcement personnel and innocent civilians getting killed.

I expressed that same idea a few days ago on another thread and was roundly criticized for daring to suggest that it's more important for the rights of innocent Americans to be protected than it is for the cops to arrest a few drug dealers. The old lady in Atlanta who was recently killed my a team of cops executing a no-knock warrant, based on a bad tip from an informer who is himself a criminal btw, was only doing what most of us would have done in her situation.

She assumed that anyone breaking down her door in that crime-ridden neighborhood was a home invading criminal, so she did the same thing I would have done, she opened fire with her own gun. If she had not fired and the invaders had been criminals she would likely have been killed, but even though the invaders were cops she was killed anyway. If we can't defend our homes from invasion because we may be shooting at cops, we're subject to becoming victims of no-win situations which will leave innocent people dead if they guess wrong either way.

I ask you, which is worse, allowing a few drug dealers to avoid arrest by flushing their drugs when the cops come knocking, or making it impossible for law abiding people to protect their homes and families from home invasion because of fear that they may be shooting at cops breaking into their homes instead of home invading criminals? Guess wrong either way and you will likely end up dead.

28 posted on 12/19/2006 10:45:57 PM PST by epow (Christ the Lord is born today, Hallelulyah! . I celebrate my Savior's birth, not a generic holiday)
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To: epow
I ask you, which is worse, allowing a few drug dealers to avoid arrest by flushing their drugs when the cops come knocking, or making it impossible for law abiding people to protect their homes and families from home invasion because of fear that they may be shooting at cops breaking into their homes instead of home invading criminals?

You already know the correct answer. Those that criticize constructionists deserve only pity. This is not to be misconstrued as condoning indiscriminate reprisals against law enforcement personnel. One must be very discriminating with regards to target acquisition. Just as the judiciary must be very discriminating. Else people die. May our great Republic prevail through the current trials.

29 posted on 12/19/2006 11:02:34 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: verum ago
Never, ever, underestimate a cornered man trying to defend his wife and two week-old

Was his wife there too? I didn't see that in the story, but it would explain why his girlfriend was threatened.

30 posted on 12/19/2006 11:06:42 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

oh, fianceé. oops.


31 posted on 12/19/2006 11:51:44 PM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: dk/coro

Because in the northeast you have no right to own a gun to protect yourself family or home.


32 posted on 12/20/2006 2:45:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: PAR35

You said -- "Was his wife there too? I didn't see that in the story, but it would explain why his girlfriend was threatened."

And also why he was hiding in the closet...

Regards,
Star Traveler


33 posted on 12/20/2006 5:39:11 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: epow; DaveLoneRanger

I remember your post from the other day, epow. I agree with you.

Johnson is a hero; I am grateful his wife and baby are okay.


34 posted on 12/20/2006 1:36:23 PM PST by MonicaG (Thank you and God bless you, excellent TROOPS!)
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To: taxesareforever
There really has to be something wrong with the water in Florida.

Have you tasted it? Sulfurous swamp water is what it is. At least in Orlando, the only place I've been in a good many years, and I've been there a lot of late.

35 posted on 12/31/2006 6:55:41 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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