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President Bush News Conference 10 a.m. EST 12/20/06 Live Thread
Wednesday, December 20, 2006 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/20/2006 5:42:05 AM PST by kristinn

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To: WalterSkinner
As a Christian he clearly knows what the Bible says on these matters.

The Bible says more about charging inerest to the poor and debt forgiveness than it does about gays.

361 posted on 12/21/2006 8:31:49 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
The Bible says more about charging inerest to the poor and debt forgiveness than it does about gays.

..your point?

362 posted on 12/21/2006 8:39:54 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: unionblue83
By Middle Eastern standards, Saddam Hussein's government was moderate -- which is why the U.S. had no problem supporting him during the 1980s in the Iran-Iraq War.
363 posted on 12/21/2006 8:44:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Steve_Seattle
In Iraq, Sunnis have long been considered more "secular" by nature than Shi'ites. And the Sunni Ba'athist government was "moderate" in ways that were highly unusual in the Middle East. It was one of the only places in the region where Christians were permitted to run their own schools, and the Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein had people in prominent positions who weren't even Muslims (Tariq Aziz, for example, is either a Chaldean or Maronite Christian).

I wonder how many Christians there are in the current Iraqi government.

364 posted on 12/21/2006 8:47:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Steve_Seattle
But now we are finding out that that "secular" image was largely false, and that the country - like all the other Muslim countries - is a hotbed of religious fanaticism, clericalism, sectarianism, and tribalism.

In other words, the person who would be most effective at dealing with the sh!t we are now seeing in Iraq is currently sitting in an Iraqi jail.

The irony here is quite remarkable, isn't it?

365 posted on 12/21/2006 8:49:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: WalterSkinner
He could express his support of fair and equal treatment of all Americans under the law without making any pronouncements about the character and quality of the individuals involved.

You're right. He could have done this. But the Cheney family are his friends, and his on the spot instinct, as a Christian, was to support them.

As one who is violently opposed to what Mary Cheney is doing, I can't see that he, in his official capacity as President of the United States, did anything other than what he should have done here.

And you have a Blessed Christmas too, Walter.

Three of four of our kids are home (the fourth out of country and not able to get back), so we will have three fourths of a Merry Christmas. :)

366 posted on 12/21/2006 9:27:10 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Go, Saddam! Let's bring back that torture and rape and wanton murder and keep Iraq stable!

Yessiree, now THAT's a plan.....

367 posted on 12/21/2006 9:28:48 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: Alberta's Child
This is a new tactic.

To support Saddam's brutal regime as being more "Christian" than freedom and democracy.

Even a dope like you must see the irony in that, don't you?

368 posted on 12/21/2006 9:30:11 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: ohioWfan
Like I said . . . it's ironic, isn't it?

I wonder if all of those folks here who are calling on the U.S. to crack down on Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army are aware that Saddam Hussein is currently on trial for doing just that when al-Sadr's father was the big pain in the @ss in Sadr City.

369 posted on 12/21/2006 9:36:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child
I wonder if guys like you realize the irony of saying that brutal dictatorships are better for Christianity than freedom.

And I wonder why anyone calling himself a conservative is on this board defending Saddam Hussein.

370 posted on 12/21/2006 9:38:55 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: ohioWfan

How much more preposterous is that than what we saw back in the early 1990s, when the U.S. was sending thousands of troops halfway into harm's way halfway around the world -- to keep one royal family on a throne and restore another one?


371 posted on 12/21/2006 9:39:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: ohioWfan
Christianity isn't even an issue here, since Islam has been formally enshrined as the official state religion in the new Iraqi constitution.

The terms "freedom and democracy" have no meaning when they result in the establishment of an official state religion -- particularly when the religion in question (Islam) is so inherently unstable in the country in question (see the long-standing conflict between the Sunni and Shi'ites sects as a perfect example) basically ensures that the country can never be stable and never be "free and democratic" in any sense.

372 posted on 12/21/2006 9:42:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Israel's government is in the ME and I would submit that they are the gold standard. Saddam was a brutal, murdering thug and is going to face justice at the hands of the Iraqi people for it. Good riddance to this dirtbag. We are now reaping the fruits of not taking out Iran and Iraq's leadership structures before.


373 posted on 12/21/2006 10:41:34 AM PST by unionblue83 (Duty is ours; consequences are God's. -- Stonewall Jackson.)
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To: swarthyguy

So what propaganda are you inclined to believe? That our allies the Saudis sent them ala Michael Moore. Or maybe it was a Zionist plot by our allies the Israelis ala Amadenijahd or perhaps it was our own government ala your favorite moonbat?


374 posted on 12/21/2006 11:25:30 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

19 nutcases without any help from anyone pulled it off.

Right under our very noses.

The FEDGOV's version.

Don't you?

Heaven forbid anybody should ever question the Holy Government's Truth.


375 posted on 12/21/2006 11:40:02 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy

Why did the nutcases do it?

What motivated them to sacrifice themselves?


376 posted on 12/21/2006 11:50:29 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: Blue State Insurgent

Baathi ideology.


377 posted on 12/21/2006 11:52:07 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy

So Socialism made them do it?


378 posted on 12/21/2006 12:06:40 PM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: ohioWfan
Go, Saddam! Let's bring back that torture and rape and wanton murder and keep Iraq stable!

Seems like Iraq has the murder, torture and rape without the stability in 2006. Where is the freedom in that?

379 posted on 12/21/2006 1:06:01 PM PST by lucysmom
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