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Secret John Lennon Files Released By FBI
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 20, 2006 | AP

Posted on 12/20/2006 5:52:03 AM PST by ShadowDancer

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To: Sam Hill
But regardless of his inner conflicts, his public persona at the time was unmistakably against the Vietnam War.

No doubt. The point of my post - which wasn't specifically directed to you or anyone else - is that it's a mistake to try to pidgeon hole him.

101 posted on 12/20/2006 9:52:48 AM PST by KevinB
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To: Sam Hill

So what? He was a prominent opponent of the Vietnam war... and? Does this mean that President Hillary's critics need to be tailed because they oppose her policies? You seem to love big government a wee bit too much.

It was not illegal to be opposed to nam. I am opposed to alot of government programs. Perhaps if you object to the department of education they can sick the FBI on you too.

To conclude. What the hell are you talking about? If there was evidence that Lennon wanted to stage a violent revolution, commit criminal acts in order to finance radicals, or actual evidence of you know a crime, other than free speech.

I suppose Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh needed bugging because they opposed Clinton's war in Kosovo too. Are you an American? You sure don't sound like one.


102 posted on 12/20/2006 9:53:10 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Sam Hill
Are you trying to change the subject?

What subject would that be---the topic of this thread, or your panty-twist over Hemingway?

I was simply wondering why you were flying false colors after claiming to be a 10-year veteran here. If you've got some sort of indigestion, pal, feel free to work it out on someone else.

103 posted on 12/20/2006 9:53:26 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: highball
In this nation, we do not presume guilt. Even for people with whom we have political disagreements.

We would be better off if we did.

104 posted on 12/20/2006 9:53:37 AM PST by Last Laugh
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To: Revenge of Sith

Great stuff! How is it you knew all these people?


105 posted on 12/20/2006 9:55:17 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Revenge of Sith

Your "friend" is a crook and a pretty well-known crackpot:

Frederic Seaman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Seaman


106 posted on 12/20/2006 9:56:22 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Revenge of Sith
A friend of mine, Fred Seaman, who was Lennon's personal assistant at the end of his life.

I read Seaman's book a few years back. I guess in the halls of Lennon history he hasn't come off too well. It would be fun to talk to you sometime about your brushes with the Lennon circle.

107 posted on 12/20/2006 9:59:40 AM PST by KevinB
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Lennon had his picture taken with Ronald Reagan too. Photo ops are meaningless. May Pang described John as a chameleon who went through different phases in his life.


108 posted on 12/20/2006 9:59:57 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: dogbyte12

John Lennon was investigated by the FBI when it was learned that he had contributed $75,000 to a group planning to disrupt the Republican National Convention in 1972.

That disruption was planned by Kerry's VVAW. It resulted in a trial of the "Gainesville Eight":

Gainesville Eight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gainesville_Eight."

Why not get informed rather than live in ignorance?


109 posted on 12/20/2006 10:01:19 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Cynthia Lennon, Julian Lennon, May Pang, Jack Douglas, Ken Gehringer and others who knew John said that Fred got a raw deal. It's nice to know that you're a fan of Yoko.


110 posted on 12/20/2006 10:02:11 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: KevinB

Seaman came off very well in Cynthia's book which came out last year.


111 posted on 12/20/2006 10:03:50 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: Revenge of Sith

"Lennon had his picture taken with Ronald Reagan too. Photo ops are meaningless."

LOL. I guess you didn't read my post about how that "photo op" was taken when they were both speaking at the same event.

Note my post below yours. Lennon subsequently gave $75,000 to Kerry's group.

That's why the FBI investigated him.

But your a Lennon expert, all right. LOL!


112 posted on 12/20/2006 10:08:01 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Revenge of Sith
Seaman came off very well in Cynthia's book which came out last year.

Good to know. I haven't gotten to that one yet. I haven't followed the "diary heist" issue very closely. As much as Yoko dominated every aspect of John's life, it wouldn't surprise me if John felt he had to make a secret deal to make sure the diaries wound up in Julian's hands.

113 posted on 12/20/2006 10:09:06 AM PST by KevinB
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114 posted on 12/20/2006 10:12:31 AM PST by KevinB
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"I don't understand why the government insisted on keeping this secret for so long. If the Lennon surveillance didn't amount to much, why not just give the author the files when he first asked for them?"

Way I look at it is, if you freely give out the info when it's not all that significant, then every time you refuse to give information, everyone will know it's significant and dig that much harder. Consider it camouflage for the secrets that really should be kept.

Qwinn


115 posted on 12/20/2006 10:15:25 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: Sam Hill

I know that Lennon supported Kerry and opposed the Vietnam War at the time, you dope. All I said was that Lennon outgrew that phase of his life. You've been brainwashed by Yoko's bullshit that romanticized John's "peace" activism. John was a more complex figure than that.


116 posted on 12/20/2006 10:17:45 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: Revenge of Sith

"I know that Lennon supported Kerry and opposed the Vietnam War at the time, you dope. All I said was that Lennon outgrew that phase of his life. You've been brainwashed by Yoko's bullshit that romanticized John's "peace" activism. John was a more complex figure than that."

Please note the subject of this thread. Then note the claims that Lennon was not a figure worth investigating. I have posted to counter those erroneous claims.

Your argument (based on the claims of one person who is a convicted thief and known liar) that Lennon became a Reagan supporter is irrelevant to all of this.

And for you to paint me as a Yoko fan for simply pointing out facts is laughably stupid.


117 posted on 12/20/2006 10:30:35 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Another person, Mike Tree, also said that Lennon supported Reagan in 1980 and it's common knowledge that Lennon and Reagan had a pleasant meeting in 1974.


118 posted on 12/20/2006 10:34:30 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: ShadowDancer

Thank You, John Lennon, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Bang Bang Shoot Shoot


119 posted on 12/20/2006 10:41:46 AM PST by MyFreedomIHoldDear
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To: Sam Hill

Firstly, the FBI was investigating him before this. Secondly, the gainesville eight were acquitted. You seem to be under the impression that the FBI wasn't a "political" operation in the 1950-70's during the hey day of Hoover. He was after particular people, and he shielded others like the mafia. It was for politics not for crime that they went after alot of people.

Was Lennon ever accused of committing a crime? I suppose every one of Mark Foley's campaign contributors need investigation because they supported a pedophile.

What actual crime was Lennon known or in good faith suspected of committing to have committed that warranted all the FBI attention?


120 posted on 12/20/2006 10:43:52 AM PST by dogbyte12
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