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Marine Charged With 13 Civilian Murder Counts (Haditha)
MSNBC ^ | 12/21/06

Posted on 12/21/2006 11:03:18 AM PST by areafiftyone

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A Marine Corps squad leader was charged Thursday with 13 murder counts stemming from the killings of 24 civilians in the Iraqi town of Haditha last year, his attorney said.

Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich was charged with 12 counts of murdering individuals and one count of murdering six people by ordering Marines under his charge to "shoot first and ask questions later" when they entered a house, according to charging sheets released by defense attorney Neal Puckett.

As many as eight Marines could be charged in the case, the biggest U.S. criminal case to emerge from the war in Iraq in terms of people killed.

The deaths occurred on Nov. 19, 2005.

Lawyers for two Marines already have said they expect their clients will be charged and it’s believed up to six others could join them.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defendourmarines; haditha; murtha; pendleton; usmc; wuterich
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1 posted on 12/21/2006 11:03:19 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone; the mo; Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; fishergirl; TNdandelion; slipper; Eagles6; jazusamo; ...

Sad ping.


2 posted on 12/21/2006 11:07:14 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

And so it begins...


3 posted on 12/21/2006 11:09:30 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: areafiftyone

They'll get their day in court, and if they're innocent then they'll go free. If they're guilty then it'll be life at Leavenworth.


4 posted on 12/21/2006 11:10:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: areafiftyone

He's being used as a scapegoat and probably all in an attempt to appease the Sunni Terrorist.


5 posted on 12/21/2006 11:10:58 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: jazusamo

oh, dear....I have been dreading this.

Sad is right.


6 posted on 12/21/2006 11:12:55 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: Risha
And so it begins...

What begins? This isn't the first time charges such as these have been leveled against our Soldiers or Marines in Iraq.

7 posted on 12/21/2006 11:13:39 AM PST by Cagey
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To: Txsleuth

Me too. I've been dreading this also. The Leftists (Murtha) are going to love this one - they hate our soldiers!


8 posted on 12/21/2006 11:13:54 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: areafiftyone

Sad when warriors are treated like criminals.


9 posted on 12/21/2006 11:14:13 AM PST by KingArthur305
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To: Txsleuth

I have too. Looks like they are going all out on this.


10 posted on 12/21/2006 11:14:49 AM PST by pinkpanther111 ( We can do this ..We must do this...Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: areafiftyone

I have faith in our military justice system. They will have a fair trial.


11 posted on 12/21/2006 11:14:53 AM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: tobyhill
Breaker Morant comes to mind.
12 posted on 12/21/2006 11:16:22 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and lies, and distortions..)
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To: areafiftyone
Charged ... not found guilty.

My prayers for every warrior under more duress than any 100 cops.

Every man here, that has been in a barroom fight or schoolyard fight understands what quick thinking followed by action ... is all about.

And we don't condemn the guy that stood up and tried, but may have screwed up (ya shoulda' blocked, man)

God bless, protect and forgive our warriors, protecting us from being annihilated off the world stage.

13 posted on 12/21/2006 11:18:04 AM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: areafiftyone

Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich

He's first. Wait for the other five or six or seven later today.

Let jazusamo or me know if you want on the Haditha Marine Ping List.

14 posted on 12/21/2006 11:18:49 AM PST by RedRover
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To: areafiftyone

I betcha Sissy Chrissy will base his whole show on this tonight...

I really, really hate this.

The article says it all goes to "motive"...and I have said all along that I can't imagine that they did not believe that there were terrorists mixed in with the residents.

Plus, the pictures so soon after the "event" has always bothered me.

I would really like to be in the courtroom and listen to ALL of the evidence.

I know that I don't want any of them to "flip"...UNLESS, they are guilty.


15 posted on 12/21/2006 11:18:59 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: burzum

I pray you are right...


16 posted on 12/21/2006 11:19:43 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: Non-Sequitur
They'll get their day in court, and if they're innocent then they'll go free.

I wonder. I think if there are Judges on the Court put that came up in the Clinton years the odds would be against them.

The Clinton administration cast a long shadow in the US military.

17 posted on 12/21/2006 11:19:50 AM PST by Pontiac (All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
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To: knarf
Charged ... not found guilty.

TRUE!! I'm praying for him and the others!

18 posted on 12/21/2006 11:20:23 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: RedRover

Dang...I am really hating this.


In the kind of environment that they are fighting in...the "shoot first, ask questions later" lesson is probably the only reason we don't have MORE dead troops.


19 posted on 12/21/2006 11:22:05 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: KingArthur305
>>>Sad when warriors are treated like animals.<<<

Two words: Kevin Sites. He's the little pustule who shot the video of the young Marine in the mosque, fighting for his life and protecting his buddies. Sites tried to get him hanged, but it didn't work that time. Forget about the young USMC. Sites is now a very big deal at Yahoo for his heroic actions on behalf of the Muslim jihad.

The JAG really better step lightly here. I don't forget that it was a JAG lawyer that stopped CentCom in FL from ordering the strike on Mullah Omar's SUV. Nobody should forget it.

Just curious, but do those people ever, ever defend any American soldiers or Marines?
20 posted on 12/21/2006 11:22:12 AM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Non-Sequitur
If they're guilty then it'll be life at Leavenworth.

For 13 counts of murder? I'd be guessing a firing squad would be formed. That, or a gallows erected. I personally favor the former for a warrior to die, criminal or not.

22 posted on 12/21/2006 11:30:36 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Txsleuth
I would really like to be in the courtroom and listen to ALL of the evidence.

Exactly, sleuth. Now it's their turn to present their side of a combat action.

From the beginning, Time magazine, Jack Murtha, unnamed (supposed) DOD sources and the majority of the enemedia have declared them guilty, they were not even afforded the completion of the investigations. Their presumption of innocence was ignored.

It's despicable, especially the actions of Congressman Jack Murtha!

23 posted on 12/21/2006 11:31:31 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

Bump!


24 posted on 12/21/2006 11:34:02 AM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE CONTINUE ON TO VICTORY!)
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To: areafiftyone

Sick, sick, sick, sick. How can we expect our soldiers to fight a war so handicapped? The ROE is a f-cking joke!!! The guys who worked for me in Kuwait knew it. Shoot and be wrong and you go to jail. Don't shoot and be wrong and you die. What kind of war is this???

We expect 25 year old men to make life-and-death decisions and we don't back them up????? My anger knows no bounds. :(


25 posted on 12/21/2006 11:36:27 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: RedRover

Please put me on the ping list.


26 posted on 12/21/2006 11:37:28 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: areafiftyone

charging someone with murder in that situation, is like giving out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.


27 posted on 12/21/2006 11:39:27 AM PST by oceanview
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To: jjm2111; RedRover

You're on jjm, welcome.


28 posted on 12/21/2006 11:40:20 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Zemo
Since when did Marines become police?

It was about the same time that police officers became social workers and border patrol agents had to begin worrying about the civil rights of drug runners.
29 posted on 12/21/2006 11:40:37 AM PST by dmartin (Who Dares Wins)
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To: Zemo
"I have no clue why many on this website supported that doddering 'gosh-golly-gee-willikers' old fool of a SoD."

Well newbie ... we'll sit here patiently and see if you actually engage in dialog before you're zotted.

Otherwise we present our collective @$$es for you to kiss.

30 posted on 12/21/2006 11:41:30 AM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: ExSoldier
For 13 counts of murder? I'd be guessing a firing squad would be formed. That, or a gallows erected. I personally favor the former for a warrior to die, criminal or not.

If I recall correctly the Marine brass announced early on that they weren't going to seek the death penalty.

32 posted on 12/21/2006 11:43:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: areafiftyone; RedRover

God help the man!

Because the military has certainly deserted him!!!


33 posted on 12/21/2006 11:44:00 AM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I knew a couple of Border Patrol agents who had faith in our government too. They are headed for prison thanks to politics.

I pray that politics won't send these men to Leavenworth.


34 posted on 12/21/2006 11:45:22 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: areafiftyone

This is BS, what a clusterf*ck.


37 posted on 12/21/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by AliVeritas (Even if a mother forgets the child of her womb, I will not forget you.)
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To: Txsleuth

The problem is... it's get shot first, then return fire... after you question them nicely. This PC is crap, they need to untie the rules of engagement.

A lot of us here know this is BS; We worked on this for months along with Stratasphere, the milblogs and others.


38 posted on 12/21/2006 11:50:53 AM PST by AliVeritas (Even if a mother forgets the child of her womb, I will not forget you.)
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To: areafiftyone
So instead, during WARTIME, our US military should be SHOT AT (and killed) first???

Pathetic. I am now in the camp of let them fight or bring them home. Though I pray we wake up and fight!

39 posted on 12/21/2006 11:50:56 AM PST by Libertina
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To: ishabibble

Sites is a POS who should have been fragged, I told him that personally.


40 posted on 12/21/2006 11:51:55 AM PST by AliVeritas (Even if a mother forgets the child of her womb, I will not forget you.)
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To: areafiftyone; jazusamo; Sam Hill; smoothsailing; Just A Nobody; pinkpanther111; All
AP ALERT!

There’s going to be MANY stories today. But this one already wins some kind of prize for bullstuff. Here’s what’s on the wire from AP: Iraq trial eyed in Haditha shooting case

by Saad Abdul Kadir, Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Some Iraqis said Thursday that U.S. military plans to charge Marines in the shooting deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians were a sham, and that the American troops should face justice in Iraq.

As many as eight Marines could be charged in the killings, which took place on Nov. 19, 2005, in the Iraqi town of Haditha, northwest of Baghdad. In terms of the number slain, the expected U.S. criminal case is the biggest to emerge from the war.

"The trial they are talking about is fake," said Naji al-Ani, a 36-year-old laborer, by telephone from Haditha. "The American troops should be brought here, in front of an Iraqi court. They committed a horrible crime against innocents."

Other residents of Haditha agreed, saying they believed the servicemen were guilty and should face the death penalty - but would not face justice in the U.S.

"Are they terrorists or are they fighting terrorism?" asked Jamal al-Obaidi, a 40-year-old teacher. "The trial is not fair because it is taking place in America. Executing them is the minimum penalty."

Dozens of U.S. troops who served in Iraq have been prosecuted, convicted and sentenced to jail for crimes against Iraqis. Four other Marines from Camp Pendleton are awaiting trial in a military court on charges they kidnapped and murdered an Iraqi man. Four of their comrades already have pleaded guilty to the crime and agreed to testify against them.

The Haditha shootings occurred after a roadside bomb struck a patrol, killing one Marine. In the aftermath of the blast, five Iraqi men were shot as they approached the scene in a taxi. Others - including women and children - died as Marines opened fire on a cluster of houses in the area.

The case focuses on motive. The question is whether the civilians were victims of wanton killing by troops angered by the death of a comrade, or people caught up in a hellish battle as the Marines fought to defend themselves from a perceived threat.

After the Haditha killings, a Time magazine story picked holes in the Marine Corps' account that 15 Iraqis died in a roadside bomb blast and Marines killed eight insurgents in an ensuing fire fight. Later reports put the number of dead Iraqis at 24.

None of the bodies was exhumed and collecting forensic evidence in a war zone is hard.

A spokesman for the Iraqi Defense Ministry said the Iraqi government supports the decision of the U.S. military to prosecute the troops.

"We respect and appreciate their interest in holding this trial," spokesman Mohammed al-Askari said.

But Dr. Jabir al-Jabiri, an Iraqi political analyst, said holding the trial in the United States violated Iraqi sovereignty.

"This is an insult to the Iraqi people," he said. "We hope the Iraqi judicial system and government can be independent enough to fulfill their duties in a proper way."

Karim al-Hayani, a 46-year-old Haditha resident, said he had a question for President Bush.

"I ask Bush: 'Is this the democracy that you promised to bring to the Iraqis?'" he said.

41 posted on 12/21/2006 11:52:36 AM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

Please put me on your ping list. Thanks.


42 posted on 12/21/2006 11:52:48 AM PST by RightWingMama
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To: Zemo

Explain.


43 posted on 12/21/2006 11:52:56 AM PST by AliVeritas (Even if a mother forgets the child of her womb, I will not forget you.)
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To: jazusamo

Sign me up for the ping.


44 posted on 12/21/2006 11:54:10 AM PST by AliVeritas (Even if a mother forgets the child of her womb, I will not forget you.)
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To: Zemo; knarf

If we killed more civilians they wouldn't let themselves be used as leverage by the muj. Also, the line between civvie and muj is so blurry. Then we play Monday-morning quarterback with guys who have had to make kill-or-be-killed decisions all to please a jihadi media that wants us to lose.


45 posted on 12/21/2006 11:54:41 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: RightWingMama; RedRover

You're on RWMama, welcome.


46 posted on 12/21/2006 11:55:01 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: AliVeritas

You're on AV, welcome.


47 posted on 12/21/2006 11:55:50 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: ishabibble
Two words: Kevin Sites.

THANK YOU!! Yes, furious that Sites still has "credibility" as a war reporter at yahoo. Furious!

The snake still spreads his venom!!

48 posted on 12/21/2006 11:57:55 AM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I hope to heck that when they are proven innocent that they give a statement to the press condemning Murtha and the press for prejudging them!!! http://sacredscoop.com


49 posted on 12/21/2006 11:58:56 AM PST by CottShop
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To: Zemo

Your name is mis-spelled. Should be an 'r' where the 'm' is.


50 posted on 12/21/2006 11:59:24 AM PST by La Enchiladita (People get ready . . .)
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