Skip to comments.The Republican Identity Crisis
Posted on 12/21/2006 2:57:12 PM PST by Small-L
This reaction previews a broader, high-stakes Republican debate as we head toward the 2008 election. One Republican Partythe Republican Party of movement conservatives on Capitol Hill and in the think-tank worldwill argue that the "big government Republicanism" of the Bush era has been a reason for recent defeats.
Like all fundamentalists, the antigovernment conservatives preach that greater influence requires a return to puritythe purity of Reaganism.
But the golden age of austerity under Reagan is a myth.
As antigovernment conservatives seek to purify the Republican Party, it is reasonable to ask if the purest among them are conservatives at all. The combination of disdain for government, a reflexive preference for markets and an unbalanced emphasis on individual choice is usually called libertarianism. The old conservatives had some concerns about that creed, which Russell Kirk called "an ideology of universal selfishness." ...
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Bush and his GOP cabal view limited government and fiscal conservatives with disdain--"an ideology of universal selfishness." No wonder there is such a chasm developing in the party.
Limited government and fiscal conservatives obviously do not need to support the GOP anymore now that the party has clearly stated their disdain for us.
Abandon the Republican Party. It is dead and deserves to be.
THAT is enough to label him as an enemy of America! Those who belong to CFR are hellbent on destroying America!
And go where?
I'm wondering if we should think in terms of having an efficient and working government. It was really clear that this Congress wasn't working for our interests w/their crazed spending.
I'm not trying to suggest that it will "work" under the Dems, but I'm thinking that instead of talking about how to limit government's influence, how can we work to provide services for people in a cost-effective way - to provide for the defense and security and all the things that are absolutely necessary, while eliminating wasteful programs/spending.
It isn't selfish to want government to be small and non-intrusive; however, I know that I want our government to work in the 21st century.
These are just some thoughts/ideas...I consider myself to be a Republican, but I also want government to work for me - not against me.
Severe lack of testosterone in the Party, IMO. The past six years, the wimps have been wringing their hands instead of fighting back. The only chance the country has is for the GOP to use the RAT'S tactics back on them. Obstruct, accuse, obstruct, accuse.
Any Republican who is having an Identity Crisis has obviously been watching too much left wing liberal spin.
You are a fair weather Conservative, and pretty much subject to weak liberal knee jerk reactions, and maybe you don't deserve to be a Republican.
All Lemmings who read an article posted on Newsweek, MSNBC please feel free to exit to the nearest Republican exit door, and join all the other sheeple headed for the Democrat Cliff and please Jump.
They can boast of no governors nor senators. It would appear that Libertarianism does not connect with any significant number of voters. A party without a base is not a party.
"Unfettered individualism can loosen those bonds, while government can act to strengthen them."
This is pure BS, expanding the role of government weakens these bonds by usurping the role of the institutions of Civil Society.
It is worse today than at almost any other time in history. The GOP is controlled top to middle by liberal, big government ideologues and with no apparent Reagan/Goldwater type leader to lead a resurgence of the conservative wing. I believe it is time to either retake the party or move on. You don't have to form a new party or join a third party. For a start, just withhold donations and vote for only conservatives.
Et tu, Russ! Another Lemming for an MSNBC, Newsweek liberal article. JUMP lemming!
What's that old axiom? Oh yeah, "I didn't leave the Party; it left me."
That's precisely the way I feel about the current "Republican" organization.
Ditto, my loyalty to the party reflects the parties loyalty to me. I don't expect to agree 100%, but we are down to bedrock principles, and I won't concede further.
Exactly. I have a feeling that 60% of the posters here would vote for a Republican candidate who favored abortion, was a socialist, opposed guns, favored gay marriage, as long as he beat the Democrat on just one issue.
"as long as he beat the Democrat on just one issue."
Or just beat the Democrat regardless of issues.
For some, this is a game. They cheer for their team on the field, but don't care what happens to the stadium after the game.....
What fight? This is a complete routing of conservatives by Washington elites who have bought our party.
Newsweek propaganda. Why do they care about the intra-party fights in the GOP.
I was beginning to nod my head in approval while reading this until I came to : "But the golden age of austerity under Reagan is a myth. During the Reagan years, big government got bigger, with federal spending reaching 23.5 percent of GDP (compared with just over 20 percent under the current president)."
I don't have time to research whether these figures are even accurate. What's remarkable with Reagan is that he DRAMATICALLY cut taxes, the economy suddenly grew (compared to the stagflation of the 70s), and tax revenues actually increased. When people make more money, keep more of that money, and get more government services in return....thats the best possible scenario. How to people get paid to write these columns and overlook these simple evaluations.
While his logic is bogus, his conclusions are worth pondering. I too have become frustrated at the ideological nature of free-market/less-government absolutism. In MOST cases, this is the best approach. In other approaches, a blend of the two serves the people best. Just as liberals hold an almost laughable paranoia at corporate America, we sometimes tend to hold that view about government.
"The Libertarian Party would be good if you must pin me down though."
The "libertarian" party is a joke. And not a very funny one at that.
They don't and the only reason this thread is still up is so the screen names that are allowed to turn this site into a cute, one liner, flame wars, bash forum can make their lists of enemies screen names to attack when the next nights of the long knives comes along.
That is exactly my attitude... if they nominate a country club liberal with a fancy Madison Avenue designer label for the White House, no money, no volunteer, no nothin' at all, I vote with my feet, write in Bullwinkle and vote for all the other Republicans I do like...
I like the Constitution Party better.
It's easier to sell to the people.
Sheeple? This is one of those tell tale signs that you listen to the fire-breathing Michael Savage -- a former left-winger that never put away his authoritarian and paternalist ways. Yet you're the good conservative, aren't you? I can tell it in the knuckle-dragging way that you resond the fredom minded people here in this forum. Do you even have a clue as to what (The Spirit of) 1776 represented. Here's a hint, it has little resemblence to the extreme statist desires of that Savage assclown you probably listen to.
JUMP...Lemming, Jump.. and by the way, I don't listen to Michael Savage, I do not even listen to the News, I read it, and make an assessment of what is said. And anyone who puts any puts stock into an article that comes from MSNBC, the same News Network that brings you Screaming Chris Matthews, is well just silly.
The old conservatives had some concerns about that creed, which Russell Kirk called "an ideology of universal selfishness." Conservatives have generally taught that the health of society is determined by the health of institutions: families, neighborhoods, schools, congregations. Unfettered individualism can loosen those bonds, while government can act to strengthen them. By this standard, good public policiesfrom incentives to charitable giving, to imposing minimal standards on inner-city schoolsare not apostasy; they are a thoroughly orthodox, conservative commitment to the common good.
I thought it was called sanity.
The author of this Newsweek piece is using a secular liberal worldview to judge the GOP and does not appear to recognize the effect of Christian morality on the expectations of Republican voters. I would recommend that readers should dismiss this article.
Yay, another article by another Bush Administration socialist. I guess Newsweek never tires of its formula.
Welcome to FR, Newbie. And what would those expectations be? In responding, you may want to address why we should ignore the article since it was written by an advisor to our Republican President. You may also want to compare the view of income redistribution espoused by many of our Christian churches and Marxist Socialist (Compassionate Conservative) principles.
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