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The Republican Identity Crisis
Newsweek ^ | Dec. 25, 2006 | Michael Gerson

Posted on 12/21/2006 2:57:12 PM PST by Small-L

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Gerson was a speechwriter and policy adviser to President Bush. He now is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a NEWSWEEK contributor.

Bush and his GOP cabal view limited government and fiscal conservatives with disdain--"an ideology of universal selfishness." No wonder there is such a chasm developing in the party.

1 posted on 12/21/2006 2:57:13 PM PST by Small-L
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To: Small-L

Limited government and fiscal conservatives obviously do not need to support the GOP anymore now that the party has clearly stated their disdain for us.


2 posted on 12/21/2006 3:00:57 PM PST by PeterFinn (B’fhearr Gaeilge briste na Béarla cliste.)
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To: Small-L
"Bush and his GOP cabal"

No wonder there is such a chasm developing in the party.


3 posted on 12/21/2006 3:02:20 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Small-L

Abandon the Republican Party. It is dead and deserves to be.


4 posted on 12/21/2006 3:06:58 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Small-L
He now is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a NEWSWEEK contributor.

THAT is enough to label him as an enemy of America! Those who belong to CFR are hellbent on destroying America!

5 posted on 12/21/2006 3:07:08 PM PST by NRA2BFree (May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.)
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To: TeenagedConservative
Abandon the Republican Party. It is dead and deserves to be.

And go where?

6 posted on 12/21/2006 3:09:08 PM PST by Jacquerie (When a Democrat swears to support the Constitution, you can bet he'll lie about other things.)
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To: Small-L
"Antigovernment conservatism turns out to be an idealism that strangles mercy"

I've never heard a bigger piece of liberal dogma than this. Why don't the compassionate conservatives just go to the so-called party of helping--the democrat party. Us "extremists" will do just fine.
7 posted on 12/21/2006 3:09:16 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Jacquerie
It doesn't matter. Once the Republican Party dies, there will be opportunity for a new coalition.

The Libertarian Party would be good if you must pin me down though.
8 posted on 12/21/2006 3:12:17 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Small-L

I'm wondering if we should think in terms of having an efficient and working government. It was really clear that this Congress wasn't working for our interests w/their crazed spending.

I'm not trying to suggest that it will "work" under the Dems, but I'm thinking that instead of talking about how to limit government's influence, how can we work to provide services for people in a cost-effective way - to provide for the defense and security and all the things that are absolutely necessary, while eliminating wasteful programs/spending.

It isn't selfish to want government to be small and non-intrusive; however, I know that I want our government to work in the 21st century.

These are just some thoughts/ideas...I consider myself to be a Republican, but I also want government to work for me - not against me.


9 posted on 12/21/2006 3:15:24 PM PST by kcbc2001
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To: TeenagedConservative

Severe lack of testosterone in the Party, IMO. The past six years, the wimps have been wringing their hands instead of fighting back. The only chance the country has is for the GOP to use the RAT'S tactics back on them. Obstruct, accuse, obstruct, accuse.


10 posted on 12/21/2006 3:17:54 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: PeterFinn
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11 posted on 12/21/2006 3:17:56 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: Small-L

Any Republican who is having an Identity Crisis has obviously been watching too much left wing liberal spin.


12 posted on 12/21/2006 3:19:15 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: TeenagedConservative

You are a fair weather Conservative, and pretty much subject to weak liberal knee jerk reactions, and maybe you don't deserve to be a Republican.


13 posted on 12/21/2006 3:20:25 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Small-L

All Lemmings who read an article posted on Newsweek, MSNBC please feel free to exit to the nearest Republican exit door, and join all the other sheeple headed for the Democrat Cliff and please Jump.


14 posted on 12/21/2006 3:23:24 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Here is your party Mascot, Fred


15 posted on 12/21/2006 3:26:27 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: TeenagedConservative
IIRC, the Libertarian Party was formed in 1972. Over the past 34 years they have seen only Ron Paul achieve federal office. Pitiful.

They can boast of no governors nor senators. It would appear that Libertarianism does not connect with any significant number of voters. A party without a base is not a party.

16 posted on 12/21/2006 3:29:14 PM PST by Jacquerie (When a Democrat swears to support the Constitution, you can bet he'll lie about other things.)
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To: Small-L

"Unfettered individualism can loosen those bonds, while government can act to strengthen them."



This is pure BS, expanding the role of government weakens these bonds by usurping the role of the institutions of Civil Society.


17 posted on 12/21/2006 3:36:22 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: AmericanMade1776
If you read the history of the Republican Party you will find that except for a few instances over the last 140 plus years, the party has never been a conservative party. It has been the party for conservatives but we were more or less tolerated by the liberal elites who ran the GOP.

It is worse today than at almost any other time in history. The GOP is controlled top to middle by liberal, big government ideologues and with no apparent Reagan/Goldwater type leader to lead a resurgence of the conservative wing. I believe it is time to either retake the party or move on. You don't have to form a new party or join a third party. For a start, just withhold donations and vote for only conservatives.

18 posted on 12/21/2006 3:38:09 PM PST by Russ
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To: Russ

Et tu, Russ! Another Lemming for an MSNBC, Newsweek liberal article. JUMP lemming!


19 posted on 12/21/2006 3:43:59 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Russ
While withholding donations is good, we must also let them know why. Also let them know that when we start seeing conservatism, we will support it.
20 posted on 12/21/2006 3:51:39 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Nor am I one.

"Fair weather" apparently meaning that my loyalty to the party is based on their actions? Yes.
21 posted on 12/21/2006 4:02:44 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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What's that old axiom? Oh yeah, "I didn't leave the Party; it left me."

That's precisely the way I feel about the current "Republican" organization.


22 posted on 12/21/2006 4:16:58 PM PST by Sooner1938 (Disgusted)
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To: TeenagedConservative

Ditto, my loyalty to the party reflects the parties loyalty to me. I don't expect to agree 100%, but we are down to bedrock principles, and I won't concede further.


23 posted on 12/21/2006 4:18:20 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Exactly. I have a feeling that 60% of the posters here would vote for a Republican candidate who favored abortion, was a socialist, opposed guns, favored gay marriage, as long as he beat the Democrat on just one issue.


24 posted on 12/21/2006 5:02:12 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: TeenagedConservative

"as long as he beat the Democrat on just one issue."

Or just beat the Democrat regardless of issues.

For some, this is a game. They cheer for their team on the field, but don't care what happens to the stadium after the game.....


25 posted on 12/21/2006 5:19:29 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: TeenagedConservative
Hey kid...come on over to the Dark Side.
26 posted on 12/21/2006 5:20:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: TeenagedConservative
"Abandon the Republican Party. It is dead and deserves to be."

And...go...where?

Do we have a "terrible fight" going on in our party or is it more likely that some want to marginalize us. Don't fall for their nonsense. Our power is in the Republican party. Don't be fooled. And don't despair these fights are necessary and happen periodically.
27 posted on 12/21/2006 5:20:44 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

LOL


28 posted on 12/21/2006 5:21:59 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Nuc1

What fight? This is a complete routing of conservatives by Washington elites who have bought our party.


29 posted on 12/21/2006 5:23:02 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I'm in!


30 posted on 12/21/2006 5:23:25 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Small-L

Newsweek propaganda. Why do they care about the intra-party fights in the GOP.


31 posted on 12/21/2006 5:24:06 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: TeenagedConservative

32 posted on 12/21/2006 5:26:29 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Small-L

I was beginning to nod my head in approval while reading this until I came to : "But the golden age of austerity under Reagan is a myth. During the Reagan years, big government got bigger, with federal spending reaching 23.5 percent of GDP (compared with just over 20 percent under the current president)."

I don't have time to research whether these figures are even accurate. What's remarkable with Reagan is that he DRAMATICALLY cut taxes, the economy suddenly grew (compared to the stagflation of the 70s), and tax revenues actually increased. When people make more money, keep more of that money, and get more government services in return....thats the best possible scenario. How to people get paid to write these columns and overlook these simple evaluations.

While his logic is bogus, his conclusions are worth pondering. I too have become frustrated at the ideological nature of free-market/less-government absolutism. In MOST cases, this is the best approach. In other approaches, a blend of the two serves the people best. Just as liberals hold an almost laughable paranoia at corporate America, we sometimes tend to hold that view about government.


33 posted on 12/21/2006 5:28:46 PM PST by jagrmeister
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To: TeenagedConservative

"The Libertarian Party would be good if you must pin me down though."


The "libertarian" party is a joke. And not a very funny one at that.


34 posted on 12/21/2006 5:33:27 PM PST by alarm rider ("O thou who changest not, abide with me!")
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To: TeenagedConservative
The fight is over ideas. As our ideas resonate with the people we will have more conservatives elected. We will then have more power. It is not up to us or the elite. Nor can power be bought, at least not legitimate power. In our country power is granted by the people.

And we are not routed. We were fooled a bit but our eyes are more open now and we are perhaps a little more realistic about our ability to shape events. And who on our side can be trusted to support us on the hard issues. All things good to know.
35 posted on 12/21/2006 5:36:02 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Why do they care about the intra-party fights in the GOP.

They don't and the only reason this thread is still up is so the screen names that are allowed to turn this site into a cute, one liner, flame wars, bash forum can make their lists of enemies screen names to attack when the next nights of the long knives comes along.

36 posted on 12/21/2006 5:43:01 PM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Russ
I believe it is time to either retake the party or move on. You don't have to form a new party or join a third party. For a start, just withhold donations and vote for only conservatives.

That is exactly my attitude... if they nominate a country club liberal with a fancy Madison Avenue designer label for the White House, no money, no volunteer, no nothin' at all, I vote with my feet, write in Bullwinkle and vote for all the other Republicans I do like...

37 posted on 12/21/2006 5:52:15 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: TeenagedConservative

I like the Constitution Party better.

It's easier to sell to the people.


38 posted on 12/21/2006 6:02:30 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Republicans only win if they are conservative. Woe befalls any who forget that.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Sheeple? This is one of those tell tale signs that you listen to the fire-breathing Michael Savage -- a former left-winger that never put away his authoritarian and paternalist ways. Yet you're the good conservative, aren't you? I can tell it in the knuckle-dragging way that you resond the fredom minded people here in this forum. Do you even have a clue as to what (The Spirit of) 1776 represented. Here's a hint, it has little resemblence to the extreme statist desires of that Savage assclown you probably listen to.


39 posted on 12/21/2006 7:38:16 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe

JUMP...Lemming, Jump.. and by the way, I don't listen to Michael Savage, I do not even listen to the News, I read it, and make an assessment of what is said. And anyone who puts any puts stock into an article that comes from MSNBC, the same News Network that brings you Screaming Chris Matthews, is well just silly.


40 posted on 12/22/2006 5:03:27 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Dead Corpse; traviskicks
If your stomachs are feeling particularly strong, check out what this CFR goon has to say about what he feels conservatism is. If you click the URL for the full article, it gets even worse. Check out this gem...

The old conservatives had some concerns about that creed, which Russell Kirk called "an ideology of universal selfishness." Conservatives have generally taught that the health of society is determined by the health of institutions: families, neighborhoods, schools, congregations. Unfettered individualism can loosen those bonds, while government can act to strengthen them. By this standard, good public policies—from incentives to charitable giving, to imposing minimal standards on inner-city schools—are not apostasy; they are a thoroughly orthodox, conservative commitment to the common good.

41 posted on 12/22/2006 8:47:38 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Do you read the Wall Street Journal? If so, do you generally find yourself in agreement with the editorial page?
42 posted on 12/22/2006 9:22:53 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: jmc813; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
See comment 41.





Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
43 posted on 12/22/2006 9:59:12 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/optimism_nov8th.htm)
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To: Small-L
The combination of disdain for government, a preference for markets and an unbalanced emphasis on individual choice is usually called libertarianism.

I thought it was called sanity.

44 posted on 12/22/2006 10:50:33 AM PST by M203M4
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To: Small-L
"The old conservatives had some concerns about that creed, which Russell Kirk called "an ideology of universal selfishness."

Which is ironic since nothing could be more selfish than the special interest group pressuring government to use it's power to get it's way. Socialism is the ideology of universal selfishness wrapped in a self righteous mask of philanthropy. It is the ideology of lies and deceit. Libertarianism the ideology of truth and reason.

Republicans have become even more socialist than the Democrats in their pandering for socialist votes. Fiscal conservatives have been ignored, so of course we have ignored the Republican party.
45 posted on 12/22/2006 11:04:36 AM PST by monday
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To: kcbc2001
"I consider myself to be a Republican, but I also want government to work for me - not against me."

THATS the problem. EVERYONE wants the government to work for THEM, to do what they want. If what they want isn't constitutional for the government to provide, $crew it, find a way to do it anyway. Which leads us to where we are today, with government doing everything for everybody. Soon, that which is not prohibited will be mandatory and everyone will hate life, and the government, and will wonder how it is things got to be so *ucked up.

The answer is everyone wants the government to work for them, when constitutionally, the government shouldn't even be collecting income taxes. Thats how far from the limited Federal government our founders envisioned, to where we are today.

You want a 21st century government? Might as well say that what you want is a socialist government. What we need is an 18th century government. The one our founders planned for us.
46 posted on 12/22/2006 11:20:13 AM PST by monday
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To: jmc813
individualism can loosen those bonds, while government can act to strengthen them

The concept of the fasces.
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47 posted on 12/22/2006 2:11:44 PM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Small-L

The author of this Newsweek piece is using a secular liberal worldview to judge the GOP and does not appear to recognize the effect of Christian morality on the expectations of Republican voters. I would recommend that readers should dismiss this article.


48 posted on 12/22/2006 2:25:22 PM PST by Shahar Adom
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To: Small-L

Yay, another article by another Bush Administration socialist. I guess Newsweek never tires of its formula.


49 posted on 12/22/2006 3:00:35 PM PST by NCSteve
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To: Shahar Adom

Welcome to FR, Newbie. And what would those expectations be? In responding, you may want to address why we should ignore the article since it was written by an advisor to our Republican President. You may also want to compare the view of income redistribution espoused by many of our Christian churches and Marxist Socialist (Compassionate Conservative) principles.


50 posted on 12/22/2006 3:29:58 PM PST by Small-L ("Government is not the answer to our problems -- government is the problem." --RWR)
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